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Just received the BenQ W1070 and am now looking for 3D glasses.

Would this be an accurate summary of current status?

Best ~$20: Sainsonic Rainbow?
Best ~$30: 3DTV Corp?
Best ~$40: Monoprice 109459? Blue Heaven? Estar ESG601? TrueDepth Firestorm LT?
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Well, after reading this whole thread I think I'm going to try the True Depth Firestorm XL Premium glasses. Daniel at True Depth recommended them for fitting over prescription glasses. I was undecided until the price for a 2 pack on Amazon dropped below $100 today and then I noticed that there was also a 20% coupon. Add the ~$10 in store credit I had and that comes to right about $35 for each.

I guess I should start looking for a BluRay player and some movies now. LOL

Is the 20% coupon still available?
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Is the 20% coupon still available?

Doesn't appear to be.
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has anybody already tried the fourth generation glasses from benQ?

http://www.benq.com/product/projector/3dglasses-d4/specifications/

and if so. was it better then D3 or D2?

thanks in advance
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Hi -

What model 3DTV Corp glasses are you using?

I don't seem to have this problem with my active 3DTV Corp (model DLP2-2) glasses. My wife, who is much, much less a purist than I am, sees 3D just fine sitting a good 45 degrees off center. I can lay down, move from one end of the sofa to the other, and not see any decrease in 3D.

You might have a defective set of glasses - but that's unlikely having two. I'd ask 3DTV Corp to replace them for free.

Or, could your problem be the screen? Maybe it only makes a difference in polarized, passive glasses, but high screen reflective coefficients limit the effective 3D viewing angle fairly sharply. My screen is simple white synthetic leather, used in furniture coverings, maybe some clothing. I actually can see that my white walls are whiter than the screen, but there's a window behind the screen that prevents me from projecting on the wall. So I'd say my coefficient is pretty near 1.0 or less.

Alternately, could be a problem with the projector.... I am looking into buying a Benq projector myself, so I'll be sure to test it with my 3DTV Corp before keeping it and replacing my 6 pair.

Good luck with new glasses - hope that solves your problem.

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I joined the Avsforum just so I could take part in this discussion.

I currently own a Benq 1080ST and two pairs of 3DTVCorp DLP link glasses. Both were at a reasonable price. While I'm fairly happy with the projector I would NOT recommend the 3DTVCorp DLP link glasses.

- Sync: I'm very impressed with their ability to gain and keep sync, no issues with turning my head away from the screen and they even keep sync (or regain it quickly) when I leave my home theater room. (I don't have a bunch of ambient light in my home and my theater room's lighting is completely controlled)

- Cost: Dang, these were inexpensive. Two pairs for slightly more than what other companies were charging for one.
- Fit: They seem comfortable enough. Not as good as my Samsung active pairs for my plasma but they fit over my regular glasses good enough

- Performance: Here's where they fail for me and got me looking here and elsewhere for replacements. The glasses really have to be fairly parallel to the screen and centered (L-R, U-D) to work properly.

If your head is centered to the screen width AND height and you don't turn your head much (or at all) these glasses work fine. However if the center of the screen is higher (vertically) than your eyes you may (or WILL) get cross talk. If your seating placement is not centered (left-right) you'll get cross talk and redish blacks. Even if your perfectly centered (V/H) and your turn your head L-R, U-D you'll get cross talk and redish blacks.

I've even considered raising my chair up a few feet to help fix the problems, however that still leaves me with the Left-Right issue. The 1080ST is projecting a 100" image 7-9 feet away from where my head is while viewing it.

I'm planning on ordering a pair of the "v3.5" (forget the brand) mentioned earlier in this thread to see if they perform better.

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I'm using the 3DTV model "DLP2 Pro", came as 2x pair from Amazon for ~$50-60 (I forget). I do not recommend them.

 

Really, the ghosting and lack of red blockage at a angle is their only down fall. I actually never opened the 2nd pair as the 1st ones battery has not failed yet.

 

When I first got them I was sitting ~4-5' away at the bottom left corner of the screen - much more than 45D angle, more like 70-80D - very bad ghosting looking up at the screen. I ditched the 77" pull up screen I was using in the living room (could not control the ambient light) and I'm currently projecting on a 100" 1.0 gain screen in one of my bedrooms. Sitting now 7-8' from the screen (with my eyes ~1' above the bottom of it) I get ghosting (I have my head tilted back looking up at the screen) and when I look from side to side the blacks get a red tint. If I stand at the far left or right edge of the screen 5-8' away I get ether ghosting and/or red tint.

 

This tells me that there's a "sweet spot" in the center of their glasses and if you look off axis to the screen you'll be looking through a slower reacting section of the LCD's. The electrodes to energize the LCD's must be in the center and instead of a matrix of them they are only using one centered one.

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Hmm - Then my progressive eyeglass lenses are preventing me from looking through the 3D glasses any other way but through the center, so I don't see or notice the effects you are seeing. My screen is 60" and I sit about 7'-8' away. The new glasses I've ordered should be okay for me then, and for my wife as well. Thanks for the details!

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You should note that according to the header they work with the W1070 projector BUT their specification says 'LCD Refresh Rate:120Hz'. If this is correct then they will NOT WORK! The W1070 requires 144Hz so I would be very careful.
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You should note that according to the header they work with the W1070 projector BUT their specification says 'LCD Refresh Rate:120Hz'. If this is correct then they will NOT WORK! The W1070 requires 144Hz so I would be very careful.

You are right. Thanks.
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You are right. Thanks.

No problem, it is easy to be caught out. BUT .... the listing may be in error as many of the suppliers use to show 120Hz in the specs (no pun intended) but they had actually been upgraded to 144Hz and the listing remained unchanged. If you are keen on these then a message to the supplier my sort it out. The price is attractive.

Re Sainsonic Glasses:

jushfbc, be careful with Sainsonic glasses many people have found them uncomfortable due to the plastic bridge pieces. I found this to be the case.
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I just found that it is possible to get the same glasses that are sold under the Blue Heaven name from 3DTV at a much lower price. I ordered two pairs and they are out of stock until the 15th but at this price the short wait is worth it.

http://ahugq.vcfpq.servertrust.com/product_p/dlprl.htm

I have tried many brands and I really like these the best. They block the red flash and are very light and are inexpensive.

They are made by Hi Shock.

http://en.hishock.com/product_view.aspx?rId=179&TypeId=192
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Thought I'd post a pic of the pair of 3D glasses I use.

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These look good for people who do not use eyeglasses. But they also look fragile - wouldn't want to leave them anywhere where kids or dogs, or careless adult friends, could harm them.
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I just found that it is possible to get the same glasses that are sold under the Blue Heaven name from 3DTV at a much lower price. I ordered two pairs and they are out of stock until the 15th but at this price the short wait is worth it.

http://ahugq.vcfpq.servertrust.com/product_p/dlprl.htm

I have tried many brands and I really like these the best. They block the red flash and are very light and are inexpensive.

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These look good for people who do not use eyeglasses. But they also look fragile - wouldn't want to leave them anywhere where kids or dogs, or careless adult friends, could harm them.

I was afraid that they would be fragile but they are much stronger than expected. Any pair can be destroyed by kids, dogs or careless adults. The good part is that they are much less expensive than many $50 or more pairs. They are less fragile than some SanSonic glasses which do not block the red flash very well. What sealed the deal for me is comfort and blockage of the red flash. I wear glasses and the fit over them with no problem. They are also great for people who do not wear glasses. I had friends over and they liked these the best. I will probably order a few more pairs myself.
They are made by a good company Hi Shock. Which makes many other good glasses and they are 4th generation.

http://en.hishock.com/product_view.aspx?rId=179&TypeId=192

At $22 each plus shipping they were worth it for me.

http://ahugq.vcfpq.servertrust.com/product_p/dlprl.htm
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Anyone try the GMYLE (TM) Black 144 Hz 3D Active Micro USB Rechargeable Shutter Glasses for $21 shipped?

http://www.amazon.com/GMYLE-Rechargeable-Mitsubishi-ViewSonic-Projector/dp/B00ED9NTW0

Or the Okeba for $22 shipped?

http://www.amazon.com/Ultralight-Rechargeable-Projector-Viewsonic-Mitsubishi/dp/B00AASENXC
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Anyone try the GMYLE (TM) Black 144 Hz 3D Active Micro USB Rechargeable Shutter Glasses for $21 shipped?

http://www.amazon.com/GMYLE-Rechargeable-Mitsubishi-ViewSonic-Projector/dp/B00ED9NTW0

Or the Okeba for $22 shipped?

http://www.amazon.com/Ultralight-Rechargeable-Projector-Viewsonic-Mitsubishi/dp/B00AASENXC

I have tried the Okeba and they are not great. They do not block the red flash very well. The Grayson 73 look like another brand that I have tried. and from the looks I don't think they will be great at blocking the red flash.

Go with the 4th generation ones from the link I posted above. They are the best I have found so far and the really block the red flash very well. The glasses have a little lip that makes this possible. They are also very comfortable and made by Hi Shock one of the best producers of 3D glasses. They have raised the prices to $24.

http://ahugq.vcfpq.servertrust.com/product_p/dlprl.htm
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I've already ordered a pair of Clip-ons from 3DTV Corp and I hope they work as well as heavy duty the Hi-Shock pair I have already, especially since I ordered another pair of those as well... I guess it's better to have too many than too few. I won't see the new ones till the end of November as they are coming back from the USA in my wife's luggage.

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I was afraid that they would be fragile but they are much stronger than expected. Any pair can be destroyed by kids, dogs or careless adults. The good part is that they are much less expensive than many $50 or more pairs. They are less fragile than some SanSonic glasses which do not block the red flash very well. What sealed the deal for me is comfort and blockage of the red flash. I wear glasses and the fit over them with no problem. They are also great for people who do not wear glasses. I had friends over and they liked these the best. I will probably order a few more pairs myself.
They are made by a good company Hi Shock. Which makes many other good glasses and they are 4th generation.

http://en.hishock.com/product_view.aspx?rId=179&TypeId=192

At $22 each plus shipping they were worth it for me.

http://ahugq.vcfpq.servertrust.com/product_p/dlprl.htm

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I have not tried the clip-ons but I am concerned that the lens size will not block the red flash very well. Could be worth trying for $19.
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I have tried the Okeba and they are not great. They do not block the red flash very well. The Grayson 73 look like another brand that I have tried. and from the looks I don't think they will be great at blocking the red flash.

Go with the 4th generation ones from the link I posted above. They are the best I have found so far and the really block the red flash very well. The glasses have a little lip that makes this possible. They are also very comfortable and made by Hi Shock one of the best producers of 3D glasses. They have raised the prices to $24.

http://ahugq.vcfpq.servertrust.com/product_p/dlprl.htm

How do you know these are 4th gen?

Which one is better? The rechargeable or the battery version?

Battery:

http://www.amazon.com/DLP-LINK-3D-Glasses-Projectors-Mitsubishi/dp/B004G2VJM6

Rechargeable:

http://www.amazon.com/Generation-DLP-Link-Glasses-Projectors-Mitsubishi/dp/B00E1S65EM
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How do you know these are 4th gen?

Which one is better? The rechargeable or the battery version?

Battery:

http://www.amazon.com/DLP-LINK-3D-Glasses-Projectors-Mitsubishi/dp/B004G2VJM6

Rechargeable:

http://www.amazon.com/Generation-DLP-Link-Glasses-Projectors-Mitsubishi/dp/B00E1S65EM

Several of the ads stated that they are 4th generation. They are also a brand new model made by Hi Shock one of the biggest makers of 3D glasses in China.
Regarding rechargeable vs battery glasses. It is really a matter of preference. Some find it easier to just change the 2030 battery when it dies. With rechargeable glasses one must have an extra pair or two around unless they are regularly charged.
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Hi! I have a Benq MW519 projector. Can someone tell me if I can use the same 3D glasses as W1070? Sorry to post here but it's the most interesting and alive thread I've found! Thanks!

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Hi! I have a Benq MW519 projector. Can someone tell me if I can use the same 3D glasses as W1070? Sorry to post here but it's the most interesting and alive thread I've found! Thanks!

Since the MW519 is a 720 DLP projector any of these glasses should work.
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I've tried out a number of glasses now so I'll record my findings. Tested these using the game Bioshock which is probably much more likely to cause crosstalk than a movie would.

--3DTV corp
Comfortable and blocks red flash but seemed to have quite a lot of crosstalk. Sent these back already so I didn't test them as extensively as the others.

--Sainsonic Rainbow
Lots of crosstalk, doesn't block red flash completely (though it isn't really that noticeable), loses sync very easily, lenses are too short.

--Estar
Pretty good. These seemed to be the best at blocking the red but there was still a bit of crosstalk. Curiously, the crosstalk was only visible on the left lens with none at all on the right, which leads me to think this might be a quality control issue.

--BenQ
Best so far. Red flash and crosstalk only visible in very corner of lenses, but kind of uncomfortable due to the awful extruded edge along the top that presses on your forehead and leaves a mark.

--3Active
Terrible to the point that I think I must have got a defective pair. Tons of red on the right half of both lenses (but not the left side) and loads of crosstalk. Though, just like the Estar glasses, the crosstalk was only on the left lens (but in this case it was like 5X as bad).

Scratch that. Not defective, I had ordered the non-144hz version by mistake.
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I've tried out a number of glasses now so I'll record my findings. Tested these using the game Bioshock which is probably much more likely to cause crosstalk than a movie would.

Which projector are you using and converting the game from 2D to 3D with? Or are you playing on a PC and converting it with software?

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Which projector are you using and converting the game from 2D to 3D with? Or are you playing on a PC and converting it with software?

Good questions since crosstalk can be caused by many things and has not been reported on the w1070 before. DLP projectors have been know for not producing any crosstalk. I have tried Sammy's Adventure and many other Blu-Ray disks on on the W1070 with no crosstalk with any of the glasses.
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Which projector are you using and converting the game from 2D to 3D with? Or are you playing on a PC and converting it with software?

I'm using the w1080st and 3DTV Play. And when I mention crosstalk I'm mainly talking about the extreme case of bright colors on a black background (which can be a lot of things in Bioshock) with the 3D cranked up to max and convergence moved forward. I haven't noticed crosstalk in a movie so far (though I'd imagine I probably would using the 3Active glasses, which I do think are defective) so it probably isn't going to be as much of an issue as I make it out to be for those who aren't using projectors for immersive 3D gaming.
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I'm using the w1080st and 3DTV Play. And when I mention crosstalk I'm mainly talking about the extreme case of bright colors on a black background (which can be a lot of things in Bioshock) with the 3D cranked up to max and convergence moved forward. I haven't noticed crosstalk in a movie so far (though I'd imagine I probably would using the 3Active glasses, which I do think are defective) so it probably isn't going to be as much of an issue as I make it out to be for those who aren't using projectors for immersive 3D gaming.

What you are noticing is not crosstalk. Have you tried calibrating your projector? You also talk about Convergence but it must be something else since DLP projectors don't have off convergence. Regarding the glasses I am wondering if you have an early version of the 3D Active glasses that do not support 144kz. I had the same issue with the first version of these glasses and the new version works without a problem.
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Hi Folks!




Some great suggestions and help on here for the glasses.



 



i nearly pulled the trigger on the True Depth 3D firestorm LT however too muich messing about with a mail forwarder to europe and the cost of shipping was €78 euro!!!   :O



 



I have ordered a pair of these!  "Lime Heaven"




http://www.amazon.de/Doppelpack-5-GENERATION-Original-Hi-Shock%C2%AE-optimiert/dp/B00G7TKELI/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1384470540&sr=8-2&keywords=Hi-Shock+DLP




5th Gen!?




The blue Heaven i saw getting a mention so I though I would give these a go from Germany and 5 quid shipping in Europe worth a try.



I will post my findings.



Will be used with a Benq W1070 also on order.



 I will only be able to compare the new setup with a just sold Acer H5360BD with the Video Dimension zd glasses which worked flawlessly except a slight greenish tinge to the picture.



Fingers crossed! will take a week or so before I post back!



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THE BRIGHTEST GLASSES ON THE MARKET WITH brilliant colors
thanks to the latest LCD technology with an ultra-fast Rektionszeit below 1.5 ms. one of the lightest goggles on the market. These glasses are 100% sync block. Black remains black. No red, white or greenish as with other DLP Link glasses. R / L is automatic detection. Glasses coated krazfest

ABSOLUTELY SILENT
Other DLP Link glasses cause the "shutters" clearly audible "hum". This series is thanks to the new LCD technology absolutely silent. So you can enjoy your movie smoothly and in brilliant quality.

THE LIGHTEST DLP LINK GLASSES OF THE WORLD
The glasses are light weight in comparison to the competition and weighs 32g with not more like a Polarised, that we know from the movies. In glasses with larger weight, there are often signs of fatigue or pressure points on the nose. With these glasses you literally forget that you ever wear glasses.

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With the Great openings very well over prescription glasses to wear. Finally realistic stereoscopic glasses to enjoy 3D without restrictions. Comfortably and stylishly. These glasses have a perfect fit, and the straps are very easy to sit very comfortably.

RECHARGEABLE - NOW OVER 30 HOURS IN CONTINUOUS OPERATION
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Highlights

+ Compatible with all 3D DLP projectors such as Acer, eMachines, Benq, Dell, Mitsubishi, NEC, Optoma, Sanyo, Sharp, Viewsonic
+ The latest LCD shutter technology and anti-interference technology
+ NextGen 200 Hz DLP-ready
+ HD optimized playback
+ The connection to the image takes less than 1 second
+ Automatic Right / Left detection
+ 100% sync block for maximum contrast
+ The colors are not distorted, black is always black
+ One of the lightest goggles on the market
+ No loss of synchronization or "flickering "Thanks to innovative" zero flicker "technolo e
+ The latest LCD shutter technology and anti-interference technology
+ the 178 ° signal receiver with UV filter provides ghostingfreie images from virtually any viewing angle.
+ Scratch-resistant coating of the glass for long life
+ Silent
+ Auto Standby, Auto-run, auto-off functions
+ High quality workmanship
+ Exclusive of a sports glasses ajar Design
+ Rubberized nosepiece
+ Large LCD lenses for optimum screen
+ Very comfortable to wear
+ Extremely light weight only 32g.
+ The mirror provided protection even in bright rooms with Störlichtern used
+ Also Perfect for glasses
+ Suitable for all ages
+ bracket are foldable and flexible
+ High capacity battery installed with above average life
+ USB rechargeable, no battery change needed
+ 24/7 support including 3 years warranty
+ Quality truth from the market leader

Specifications:

Weight: 32g
Contrast: 1200:1
Frequency range: 96Hz/100Hz/120Hz/144Hz/200Hz
Sync: wirelessly via DLP Link
white and Rotblitzabdeckung: 100%
30 working hours with 2 hour recharge time
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What you are noticing is not crosstalk. Have you tried calibrating your projector? You also talk about Convergence but it must be something else since DLP projectors don't have off convergence. Regarding the glasses I am wondering if you have an early version of the 3D Active glasses that do not support 144kz. I had the same issue with the first version of these glasses and the new version works without a problem.

No, I know what crosstalk is, I was saying that bright colors on a dark backdrop are what can cause crosstalk. And the convergence settings are for 3DTV Play, not the projector. DLP does have much less crosstalk than other technologies that use 3D glasses, but in all glasses I've seen there's always at least a little crosstalk (even if only at the edges) when you run them through the stress test of playing games with really deep 3D settings and heavy contrast, but that's what I bought a projector to do.

You're correct about the 3Active glasses though, I did accidentally order the non-144hz version now that I see Amazon has 2 different versions.
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