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I was going to do the same thing! I was going to get the 3020 until I read some reviews that people were returning them 2 or 3 times to get the "right one". I didn't want to do that.
Plus I've read that the colors on the 3020 were "washed out" compared to this unit.
But it does come with 2 sets of 3D glasses, plus it converts 2d to 3d which is nice.
So I was still on the fence, but decided in the end to pull the trigger on the Benq.
I just ordered it today for $900 plus a ceiling mount.
Now I have to find the glasses....
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I was going to do the same thing! I was going to get the 3020 until I read some reviews that people were returning them 2 or 3 times to get the "right one". I didn't want to do that.
Plus I've read that the colors on the 3020 were "washed out" compared to this unit.
But it does come with 2 sets of 3D glasses, plus it converts 2d to 3d which is nice.
So I was still on the fence, but decided in the end to pull the trigger on the Benq.
I just ordered it today for $900 plus a ceiling mount.
Now I have to find the glasses....

Yeah! I've been watching the 3020 and I'm starting to notice washed out colors, halo effect on text, blurry image along edges and the auto iris is LOUD. At first I was totally blown away. Not so sure now? I got it at best buy so if I'm reading everything correctly I've got 30 days. Really hoping someone can confirm that the w1070 will work with the Samsung SSG-4100GB?
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Today I received the 3 new sets of glasses that are supposed to be 144Hz compatible. From left to right:

Sainsonic 144Hz
TrueDepth new 144Hz version
Benq 5J.J3925.001 (rechargeable)
Benq 5J.J7K25.001 "D3" (non-rechargeable)

I will post some of my thoughts asap. I can't wait to try them out... stay tuned...

The Benq "D3" is hands-down the best! It has the brightest image, and provides the best colors and contrast. No red tint on black either.

Benq J3925 is disappointing. The good thing about it is it's very light weight, and it didn't lose L/R sync during the test. It doesn't block red tint on black completely.

Sainsonic, as I have mentioned before, would lose L/R sync once in a while, therefore it is not children-friendly. It also doesn't block red tint on black completely. Sainsonic is, surprisingly, a little brighter than Benq J3925.

TrueDepth doesn't work in 144Hz! I am pretty sure they sent me the wrong version. I really hope that it would work, as when I use 720p/60Hz input it does work and it gives similar picture quality as Benq D3, and blocks red tint on black very well. Benq D3, however, is still better than TrueDepth to my eyes in this mode. Update: I finally received a BETA set from Daniel of TrueDepth and confirmed and tested that it works at 144Hz, and works very well! It has similar contrast, colors as the Benq D3, and blocks red tint on blacks just as good as the Benq D3! However, during my 2-hour test it had some color shifts a couple times almost as if it tried to sync, but it happened only briefly and recovered itself quickly. The Benq D3 never did this.

Update 2: Upon further testing, I discovered that the TrueDepth BETA produces some "static" acoustic noise on the arms. I can hear the noise during quiet movie scenes, and it's very prominent when I cover my ears with my palms. The 120Hz TrueDepth set that I received earlier also suffers from this static noise at 120Hz mode. I have let Daniel know about it, and I'm waiting for his feedback.

Another good thing about TrueDepth, out of the 4, is that it prevents reflections of my cheeks from shining on the lenses. I'm Asian and I don't have high nose, when I wear the other 3, I see hints of my cheek's reflections on the bottom of the lenses. The way the TrueDepth lenses are slanted downward blocks the reflections. I'm attaching 2 pictures to depict what I mean
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Ergonomically, the Benq J3925 is more comfortable, it's lightweight, the material used and the arms are more flexible and gentle. Yet it's the smallest out of the 4, so it's more suitable for children. The others are made of harder plastic, therefore they aren't very gentle on the skin. Sainsonics and TrueDepth have glossy finish, while both Benq's have matte finish.

From Left to Right: Benq J3925, Benq D3, TrueDepth, Sainsonic

So as of now, seems like the Benq D3 is the best one picture-quality-wise. I will follow-up with Daniel from TrueDepth to find out what happens. It's really too bad that it doesn't work at 144Hz. If it worked and gave similar picture quality as it would at 120Hz, it would have been the one that I recommend. Both the Benq D3 and "TrueDepth BETA" provide very similar picture quality. Contrast and colors are the best out of the 4. They both block red tint on blacks very well. The TrueDepth fits my face better than the Benq D3.

Update 2/25/13: The DLP-link glasses from Monoprice are also confirmed to work well at 144Hz. This post contains some of my findings.
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Thanks very much Kelvink!
You really did an outstanding professional job by getting all those glasses and taking your time to do all the research and testing them.

Just placed an order for one pair to try out!

Thanks again!

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Yeah! I've been watching the 3020 and I'm starting to notice washed out colors, halo effect on text, blurry image along edges and the auto iris is LOUD. At first I was totally blown away. Not so sure now? I got it at best buy so if I'm reading everything correctly I've got 30 days. Really hoping someone can confirm that the w1070 will work with the Samsung SSG-4100GB?

Really? So the washed out colors is true then, huh? How long have you had it now?
So at first it was ok, now it's starting to show the bleeding colors?

Yeah, I wish there was someplace where I live so I can see the difference between the two.
But the Bestbuy around my way only has LCD/LED TV's. They don't even have plasma's or projectors, so I have to go by reviews of others (or what I can find on youtube).

Maybe you should call tech support at Epson first before returning it. I've heard their customer service is ok.
Tell them your problems and see what they say.
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Hi

Does someone know if these :

http://3dglassesunlimited.com/shop/dlp-3d-glasses-by-quantum-3d/

Are 144hz compatible ?

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Otherwise, do you know where the Benq D3 are in stock ? US or better canada ? (with a good price if possible)
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Thanks Kelvink. Personally I never liked generic glasses, even the highly rated True Depth. I ordered D3 from bhphotovideo.
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Benq 5J.J7K25.001 "D3" (non-rechargeable)
Why on Earth would they make them non-rechargable?! mad.gif
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I bought 3 pairs of 144hz sainsonic glasses off of Nextbigthink on fleabay and they delivered glasses in a box marked 120hz and with a tech spec leaflet saying they are 120hz. Got in touch with they and they say they are really 144hz but shipped in 120 boxes! Hmmmmmm. Is the only way to test this by getting a 3d bluray and making sure it outputs at 1080p/24hz? If they are really 120 glasses will it mean they simply fail to sync so it'll be blindingly obvious they are wrong?

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Lighter and less things to go wrong. I've had both and prefer a replaceable battery.
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Otherwise, do you know where the Benq D3 are in stock ? US or better canada ? (with a good price if possible)

I ordered the Benq D3 from NCIX. Seems like this is the only place that has them in-stock at the moment.
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Why on Earth would they make them non-rechargable?! mad.gif

Rechargeable is good but usually that means non-replaceable battery. Rechargeable batteries don't last forever. If a set doesn't hold charge anymore, it could mean replacement for the whole set.

For 3D glasses, I actually prefer non-rechargeable ones since I don't need to wait for a charge-up in case they're out of juice when I need them. The only thing that I need to make sure is to stock up some CR2032 button batteries, that are 3 for $1 at our local dollar-stores.
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I bought 3 pairs of 144hz sainsonic glasses off of Nextbigthink on fleabay and they delivered glasses in a box marked 120hz and with a tech spec leaflet saying they are 120hz. Got in touch with they and they say they are really 144hz but shipped in 120 boxes! Hmmmmmm. Is the only way to test this by getting a 3d bluray and making sure it outputs at 1080p/24hz? If they are really 120 glasses will it mean they simply fail to sync so it'll be blindingly obvious they are wrong?

Thanks for any help

The manual/box that came with my 144Hz Sainsonic set also say "120Hz" and don't mention "144Hz'.
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I can.only hope they sent you the wrong glasses (Truedepth) as I have ordered them from.USA to.UK

When I ordered the ebay guy said they will work at 144hz so hoping you have the older set?

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I can.only hope they sent you the wrong glasses (Truedepth) as I have ordered them from.USA to.UK

When I ordered the ebay guy said they will work at 144hz so hoping you have the older set?

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I have been working with Daniel at TrueDepth. The glasses I have (manufactured in December, purchased from Amazon) do NOT work with the W1070 at 144hz, even though they are 144hz capable glasses. There is clearly something different about the W1070 vs. other 144hz projectors. TrueDepth is beta testing a fix for this projector and has offered to replace my glasses once the fix is tested and confirmed working.

If you ordered TrueDepth glasses from eBay, I would NOT expect them to work, but curious to know what you find...

I have a pair of Benq D3 glasses arriving tomorrow as well.

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I have been working with Daniel at TrueDepth. The glasses I have (manufactured in December, purchased from Amazon) do NOT work with the W1070 at 144hz, even though they are 144hz capable glasses. There is clearly something different about the W1070 vs. other 144hz projectors. TrueDepth is beta testing a fix for this projector and has offered to replace my glasses once the fix is tested and confirmed working.

If you ordered TrueDepth glasses from eBay, I would NOT expect them to work, but curious to know what you find...

I have a pair of Benq D3 glasses arriving tomorrow as well.

-Dan

Daniel of TrueDepth was surprised to find that the set he sent me doesn't work as expected. He thought there could be a glitch in the firmware on this particular set.

I will be receiving 2 sets from him to try and will report once I have them.
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These look promising, if anyone has tried, let us know how well they work. Site says tested on W1070 (144Hz) http://www.consignia.ca/vip-3d-dlp-link-active-shutter-glasses-for-3d-ready-dlp-projectors-tvs/#reviews
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Daniel of TrueDepth was surprised to find that the set he sent me doesn't work as expected. He thought there could be a glitch in the firmware on this particular set.

I will be receiving 2 sets from him to try and will report once I have them.

Cool. Looking forward to your report. smile.gif
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Hi folks! I'm so confused. I hope you can help me? I've read this and other threads that says "Any DLP-Link glasses will work." But then I read that "only 144hz glasses work and not 120hz." I have a sony 3D blu-ray player that I will be hooking up to this projector. Which 3D glasses can/should I buy? I don't want to spend, hopefully, more than $50.00 a pair.

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In the BenQ W1070 thread I also posted that the new version True Depths 3D DLP Link glasses sometimes flickered for several seconds, also went dark in one lens, and showed other sync errors, and depth perception focussing errors, also causing headaches. I reported these problems to Daniel, and will send them back. Need more engineering, because they worked sometimes, and then not.
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Here's some info if anyone else is looking for 3D glasses

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You must get 144KZ glasses. SanSonic are the least expensive at about $25 each on Ebay. Make sure you get them from a US suppliers stock.

Thanks! Just ordered a pair

Here's the ebay link: $24.99 includes shipping here in US. http://www.ebay.com/itm/SainSonic-144Hz-for-BenQ-3D-DLP-Link-Ready-Projector-IR-Active-Shutter-Glasses-/251220658740?pt=US_Video_Glasses&hash=item3a7deb0a34
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Anyone tried these by Okeba, or heard if they are any good?
http://www.amazon.com/Ultralight-Rechargeable-Projector-Viewsonic-Mitsubishi/dp/B00AASENXC/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1359410064&sr=8-8&keywords=dlp+link+glasses

User review states that they work with the Benq w1070
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Anyone tried these by Okeba, or heard if they are any good?
http://www.amazon.com/Ultralight-Rechargeable-Projector-Viewsonic-Mitsubishi/dp/B00AASENXC/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1359410064&sr=8-8&keywords=dlp+link+glasses

User review states that they work with the Benq w1070

not sure how much faith I'd put in those. I looked over some of their other glasses and most had crumby reviews. It said in details for those that they were 120hz too so hard to say. For the price though, its worth trying them out. Report back if you or anyone else tries them, would be interesting to hear some feedback on cheapies like these, good, bad, so/so, or the perfect spare to let mother-in-laws use.
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Hi

Did you use glasses 2 in your comparison or the older version?
http://www.benq.com/product/projector/3dglasses2

What do you think of them?
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You must get 144KZ glasses. SanSonic are the least expensive at about $25 each on Ebay. Make sure you get them from a US suppliers stock.

Thanks! Just ordered a pair

Here's the ebay link: $24.99 includes shipping here in US. http://www.ebay.com/itm/SainSonic-144Hz-for-BenQ-3D-DLP-Link-Ready-Projector-IR-Active-Shutter-Glasses-/251220658740?pt=US_Video_Glasses&hash=item3a7deb0a34

Did the price go up or something?

It's $30+5 shipping to the USA......It's cheaper to buy form china correct?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/SainSonic-144Hz-3D-DLP-Link-Ready-Universal-Rechargeable-Active-Shutter-Glasses-/261161912568?pt=US_Video_Glasses&hash=item3cce7688f8

What kind of shipping time can I expect from the china seller compared to the usa seller?

And I know there used to be 144hz benq sainsonic 3d glasses...how does the 144hz sainsonic glasses differ from the benq to the optoma/acer 3d glasses on the other listings? Aren't they all the same....

does just buying it in the states and paying the $35 justify the extra cost for peace of mind?
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I found a simple fix for the Sainsonic losing sync. Just color the sensor with a red permanent marker. I also posted this in the w1070 thread.
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Those are the same as 3DTV Corp. sells on EBay. They work better then the Sainsonics all the way around. .

How well do these block the red flash?
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I found a simple fix for the Sainsonic losing sync. Just color the sensor with a red permanent marker. I also posted this in the w1070 thread.

I tried this idea and used a red permanent marker to "paint" the whole oval clear sensor window, but the problem still exists. The set would start with the "reversed sync", and the only way to correct the sync is to press the button again. I put the set down for a while and then put it back on, it tried to sync during which color-shift happened, but still eventually locked to the "reversed sync". I believe the Sainsonic set simply doesn't implement the DLP-link signalling correctly.
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