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Can this technology eventually translate to projectors?

No.
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Can this technology eventually translate to projectors?

No.

Bummer. One can always dream.

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There may be alternatives to Ultra-D on the horizon for front projection:
https://newsoffice.mit.edu/2014/glasses-free-3-d-projector-0516
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There may be alternatives to Ultra-D on the horizon for front projection:
https://newsoffice.mit.edu/2014/glasses-free-3-d-projector-0516

I was about to post that. Next time it might be better to do some research before blithely saying "No" on a topic which you're not familiar with.

I'll be attending the MIT lecture at this year's Siggraph on this topic, and will share my findings here. Hopefully they'll have videos (of the talk, not the image obviously).
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I was about to post that. Next time it might be better to do some research before blithely saying "No" on a topic which you're not familiar with.

I'll be attending the MIT lecture at this year's Siggraph on this topic, and will share my findings here. Hopefully they'll have videos (of the talk, not the image obviously).

Firstly, the question I responded to was about 'this technology', which (even in the thread title) refers to Ultra-D. This is patently not transferrable to front projection, as has been discussed in numerous previous threads about Ultra-D. Since I was on my phone, I answered the question 100% accurately, but tersely. Later, when I had access to a full size keyboard, I linked to supplementary information from MIT, which I have known about since it was announced publicly, and was possibly consistent with what 73Shark wanted to achieve in the future regardless of the technology utilised.
Next time it might be better to read what is being asked and not make assumptions about what the responder is familiar with before blithely and wrongly chastising someone you are not familiar with.

I'm sorry I stole your thunder by posting the link before you did. I hope I didn't rob you of any perceived justification to spew even more vitriol as you slash down my fragile ego with an internet post that (kind of) refuted mine. I hate it when that happens.

Joking and sarcasm aside, we'll be interested to hear what was shown by MIT at Siggraph.
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so it's like watching a box inside a box ? no thanks
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so it's like watching a box inside a box ? no thanks

 

It's like watching 3D on a TV, just no glasses. Unless you literally watch video of a box, that is.

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I looked at the youtube "Clips SBS" using the youtube app on my new Samsung hu8550 (active 3d). I was youtube viewer #59. I did see some 3d effect for the table and TV stand, but no 3d for the TV screen, though the depicted picture seemed nice enough. (I've looked at sbs 3d from DirecTV using this set, and that looked very 3d.)

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I looked at the youtube "Clips SBS" using the youtube app on my new Samsung hu8550 (active 3d). I was youtube viewer #59. I did see some 3d effect for the table and TV stand, but no 3d for the TV screen, though the depicted picture seemed nice enough. (I've looked at sbs 3d from DirecTV using this set, and that looked very 3d.)

 

The 3D effect did not translate well to video, it was worth a try.


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Personally I could watch everything in 3D all the time and to some extend I do. With that in mind I'm a little dismayed about how little 2D to 3D conversion is talked about on this forum. I fully realize that some dismiss it out of hand; however, there are a few processors (very few from my experience) that do an admirable job with 2D to 3D real-time conversion. I know that these T.V.s will have 2D to 3D conversion and I am wondering if it is effective? If I want to watch some favourite 2D movies in 3D will it be worth the effort? I'm watching my favourite 2D movies now in 3D (obviously with glasses) and I am really enjoying the experience. Will glasses-free 3D conversion take that experience up a notch?

Thanks for any input.

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Personally I could watch everything in 3D all the time and to some extend I do. With that in mind I'm a little dismayed about how little 2D to 3D conversion is talked about on this forum. I fully realize that some dismiss it out of hand; however, there are a few processors (very few from my experience) that do an admirable job with 2D to 3D real-time conversion. I know that these T.V.s will have 2D to 3D conversion and I am wondering if it is effective? If I want to watch some favourite 2D movies in 3D will it be worth the effort. I'm watching my favourite 2D movies now in 3D (obviously with glasses) and really enjoying the experience. Will glasses-free 3D conversion take that experience up a notch?

Thanks for any input.
2D to 3D conversion is dependent on the processor/algorithm and is not directly related to the display technology itself. My PC (PowerDVD) and my BDP can convert 2D to 3D, but so can Ultra-D. Ultra-D's 2D to 3D conversion is very effective, better than the other two options I have. That technology will keep improving and processors become more powerful and the algorithms for conversion are refined.

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Mark, did Leo Riley or any other contacts of yours give any indications of international demo locations for the near-final screens before Q4 and Q1 roll around?
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Mark, did Leo Riley or any other contacts of yours give any indications of international demo locations for the near-final screens before Q4 and Q1 roll around?
No, I'm afraid not. I'm going to let the whole Ultra-D thing rest for a little while unless I see... in person... a genuine pre-production or actual production Ultra-D unit. Interestingly, this week will mark one year since I first met leo at CE Week in NYC.

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No, I'm afraid not. I'm going to let the whole Ultra-D thing rest for a little while unless I see... in person... a genuine pre-production or actual production Ultra-D unit. Interestingly, this week will mark one year since I first met leo at CE Week in NYC.
I don't know why but I am saddened by your statement.
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No, I'm afraid not. I'm going to let the whole Ultra-D thing rest for a little while unless I see... in person... a genuine pre-production or actual production Ultra-D unit. Interestingly, this week will mark one year since I first met leo at CE Week in NYC.
I've basically given up on Ultra-D being available any time soon. I've moved on and purchased a Teranex 3D processor and I'm now watching all my 2D movies converted to 3D. Life is just too short. I wonder if tomorrow will ever come for Ultra-D?
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I've basically given up on Ultra-D being available any time soon. I've moved on and purchased a Teranex 3D processor and I'm now watching all my 2D movies converted to 3D. Life is just too short. I wonder if tomorrow will ever come for Ultra-D?
Teranex 3D processor? Wow. You, my friend, is a true enthusiast. And I mean that in a very best way.
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Any links to reviews of the Teranex 3D Processor? I would like to see the 3D results of this machine.
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Any links to reviews of the Teranex 3D Processor? I would like to see the 3D results of this machine.
Here's the only review I could end and its actually only comments from a person who writes for Homecinemaguru.

http://www.homecinemaguru.com/blackm...deo-processor/
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I've basically given up on Ultra-D being available any time soon. I've moved on and purchased a Teranex 3D processor and I'm now watching all my 2D movies converted to 3D. Life is just too short. I wonder if tomorrow will ever come for Ultra-D?
You can still use a processor like that when glasses-free 3D hits the market, regardless of whether Ultra-D gets there first, or if Dolby Vision gets there first. It looks pretty awesome.

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No, I'm afraid not. I'm going to let the whole Ultra-D thing rest for a little while unless I see... in person... a genuine pre-production or actual production Ultra-D unit. Interestingly, this week will mark one year since I first met leo at CE Week in NYC.
Mark, I'm going to IFA in Berlin on Saturday 6th September only. Do you know if a genuine pre-production Ultra-D TV will be on display there? If it is a hush-hush viewing, is there any chance you could put a good word in?! (I'll be meeting with Mr Kimura and Mr Urakawa from Panasonic Japan and I'm sure that if they see direct evidence of consumer excitement towards the technology in near-final form then that could influence product decisions in the next couple of years). Stream TV and SeeCubic talked before about implementing the technology in monitors, laptops, tablets and phones in addition to LCD screens and it would be good to see even prototypes of that and whether the processing can be turned off as you have been assured will be the case with the retail TVs. You also mentioned before that all retail TVs will be Full Array Local Dimming 4K sets, but I would also like to see if the technology will feature in OLED TVs which are, of course, self-emissive.

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Ultra-D's 2D to 3D conversion is very effective, better than the other two options I have. That technology will keep improving and processors become more powerful and the algorithms for conversion are refined.
Which is why I wish Ultra-D had stuck with an outboard box for processing: such devices can be more easily replaced or upgraded by the consumer as technology improves, compared with a TV. It also might mean an earlier release if some consumers were prepared to purchase with a larger box using current processors than wait until more condensed versions could be fitted inside the TVs, then replace the boxes once more powerful or compact devices were available. I doubt the panel hardware itself will evolve much, but I could see algorithms and processor power improving greatly, allowing much better results.

One of the things I would like to see is excellent frame interpolation and colorimetry calibration built-in to the processor box.

If pricing was right, I could happily live with an extra box if it meant excellent 3D that could be cheaply upgraded.

I think the Ultra-D technology could be adapted to any "sample and hold" display device, so it could be extended naturally to OLED when 4k is finally released. The only disadvantage is the limitations inherent in any particular display technology (such as the poor black levels of LCD and in particular IPS).

I'm still trying to get my head around how the Ultra-D technology works, even after a lengthy youtube explanation. ;-)
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