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JOHNnDENVER's Avatar JOHNnDENVER 09:05 AM 02-10-2011
Stll always something on to show people? I am all for the 24/7 channel myself.

Raddle's Avatar Raddle 11:16 AM 02-10-2011
I notified Pioneer of the problem. Here is my correspondence. I would feel more confident if the text in boldface came from DirecTV rather than Pioneer.



Sent February 8, 2011 at 11:15 PST

DirecTV broadcasts some 3D shows in 720p Side-by-Side format which is an optional 3D format for broadcasters. My VSX-32 apparently does not support this format. The result is I am unable to play these shows on my Samsung PN63C8000 TV. My understanding is that this format is optional for broadcasters but mandatory for receivers and TVs. Will Pioneer upgrade the firmware to correct this?


Received Wed 2/9/2011 2:13 PM PST

Thank you for contacting Pioneer Electronics, Inc. The receiver fully supports the 3D signals. The signal Direct TV is transmitting is not compliant to the HDMI Organization specifications. We are told they will have this resolved in the first quarter. Please contact Direct TV for full details.


Thank You,

Rocky
Customer Service Representative
JOHNnDENVER's Avatar JOHNnDENVER 11:49 AM 02-10-2011
Gawwddd no kidding. Manufactures and Direct can go back and forth on this one for a loooong time for sure.

I'm glad I am anticipating a direct connection to my display. (well adapter anyways)
krichter1's Avatar krichter1 09:15 PM 02-26-2011
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Thanks for your hard work Raddle, ESPN is about to go 24/7 3d and don't want to have these issues.

Ian B

Not on DirecTV they're not.
alk3997's Avatar alk3997 10:01 PM 02-26-2011
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Originally Posted by Raddle View Post

I notified Pioneer of the problem. Here is my correspondence. I would feel more confident if the text in boldface came from DirecTV rather than Pioneer.

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My understanding is that this format is optional for broadcasters but mandatory for receivers and TVs. Will Pioneer upgrade the firmware to correct this?

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Just so no one gets confused when they see this quoted, a "mandatory" transmission method means that every TV (in this case every 3D TV) must be able to use it. An "optional" format means that a TV may or may not be able to use the format. That is true for any consumer electronics manufacturer.

For a broadcaster, they are required to only use standard formats but can also include an optional format as well. So DirecTV is in violation of this edict. However, since DirecTV is a closed transmission format, I can't think of any penalties for this other than the HDMI org holding their breath or complaints from us.

720p SbS is an optional format, with 720 TaB being mandatory (as well as 1080i SbS).
walford's Avatar walford 08:07 AM 02-27-2011
720p SbS is not a mandatory HDMI 1.4a 3d format for receivers or tranmitters. 720P TnB is a mandatory format for receivers.
oldsalem's Avatar oldsalem 11:22 AM 03-16-2011
I get the error message from Directv saying my TV does not support 720P. It does, and I have watched 720P programs on other channels. I emailed Directv and basically being told my set does support 720P but for 3D I need the transmitter unit. DUH! It comes with the 3D started kit ($300). What gives. Why does 3D come in fine on all the other 3D channels but I get my TV does not support 720P? Any help is appreciated.
Steve P.'s Avatar Steve P. 11:35 AM 03-16-2011
Play with the resolution settings on your DirecTV receiver, and/or do a reset. Sony TVs have no issues displaying ESPN3D.
dfergie's Avatar dfergie 11:46 AM 03-16-2011
Try a reset on your tv... my Mits does this occasionally...
vodil's Avatar vodil 08:37 AM 04-23-2011
I can't get my Directv (HR24) to work on 3D when it is connected to my AVR (Onkyo SR706). When it goes directly to the TV (Sammy UN55D7000) it is fine. When other 3D sources (e.g. PS3/blu-ray) go through the AVR, it all works right.

Anybody know how to make directv put out? (3D signals that is )
Raddle's Avatar Raddle 03:10 PM 04-25-2011
Hvae you tried all the 3D channels? ESPN is a known problem on 106. You should be bale to view other 3D channels.
walford's Avatar walford 05:59 PM 04-25-2011
D* broadcasts ESPN-3D in HDMI 1.4a 720P SbS format which is not a mandatory 3D format so it not received by 3D display/tv models.
vodil's Avatar vodil 03:09 PM 04-27-2011
Yes. I tried them all.
Directv confirmed it was intentional; they intend to block AVR usage. Not sure why they would want to, but it certainly is not for customer satisfaction.

I will redo the cables to make the TV be the 3D hub and just feed the digital audio to the AVR. Sucks because I may have to fish more cables. I think the Harmony remote should at least handle all setup stuff OK. I hope that works.
richb2599's Avatar richb2599 05:26 PM 05-16-2011
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Nice work. Direct connect is the only way to stifle the urge to kill. Yeah it's a bit of a hassle to change inputs on the TV, and you have to run optical to the A/V receiver to get surround sound, but, the 3D channels come right up, stay up, and you don't miss any recordings. And no error messages. BTW, my PS3 has no issues going through my Pioneer 1020K for 3D games.

Get a Harmony Remote. It will do all the "input" switching for you. IMHO it's the only way to go.
John Robert's Avatar John Robert 03:04 PM 05-18-2011
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Yes. I tried them all.
Directv confirmed it was intentional; they intend to block AVR usage. Not sure why they would want to, but it certainly is not for customer satisfaction.

Interesting. I have a 60" LG PZ550 fed through an Onkyo 608 and have never had this issue. Watch the Mavs/Thunder in 3D last night, no problem...

John
JOHNnDENVER's Avatar JOHNnDENVER 03:36 PM 05-18-2011
The issues with this are somewhat dependent on the model reciever you have.

Older recivers that are still supported on 3D allow you to "get away" with it.
John Robert's Avatar John Robert 12:16 PM 05-19-2011
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Originally Posted by vodil View Post

Yes. I tried them all.
Directv confirmed it was intentional; they intend to block AVR usage. Not sure why they would want to, but it certainly is not for customer satisfaction.

Are you sure they're not trying to block "DVR" usage? That would make a lot more sense...

John
JOHNnDENVER's Avatar JOHNnDENVER 01:52 PM 05-19-2011
It's a simple edid thing. It can be fixed with an external box that allows you to spoof EDID.

They only turn on the 3D when an approved device identifys itself through EDID. So when an AVR is in between the reciever sees the EDID as something other than the supported / approved device.
Ronomy's Avatar Ronomy 10:31 AM 05-21-2011
Anybody know why the HR20 doesn't support 3D? I have a lot of shows recorded and don't want to lose my shows just to get a receiver that outputs 3D.

When I hook it up to a 3D TV the stations are available but they will not tune in. My H23 works fine in 3D.
walford's Avatar walford 11:42 AM 05-21-2011
Because the HDMI 1.3 compatible Output chip and the firmware in their STB does not support the transmission of any of the HDMI 1.4a 3D dataformats and there is not enough firmware memory space available in the box so that it can be upgraded so that it can provide the reuired support.
Ronomy's Avatar Ronomy 12:23 PM 05-21-2011
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Originally Posted by walford View Post

Because the HDMI 1.3 compatible Output chip and the firmware in their STB does not support the transmission of any of the HDMI 1.4a 3D dataformats and there is not enough firmware memory space available in the box so that it can be upgraded so that it can provide the reuired support.

These formats are still the same bandwidth as all the other HD formats. They don't need 1.4 for this. Plus they are still updating firmware adding new options. I got the update the other day like all the other receivers. Plus the receiver knows when it is attached to a 3d TV.
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