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Sony announced their first 3D camcorder - the Sony HDR-TD10. It was announced at the January 2011 CES.

Information about the 3D camcorder can be found at:
http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/...52921666294297
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I note that the specs reference the 3D Hd video format at MVC (original format.) Also noted that recording option includes SD/SDHC/SDXC memory cards. My question is whether the SD memory cards will be able to play 3D directly when inserted into the Panasonic 3D TV SD Memory card slot or whether the camera itself will have to be the input device. (Note the new 2011 Panasonic TV specs including the VT30 and G series reference a SD memory card input for 3D play.)
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Anxiously awaiting a test comparison of this and the new JVC 3D Camcorder.
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Anxiously awaiting a test comparison of this and the new JVC 3D Camcorder.

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From what ive been reading and watching .The jvc beats out the sony.Any other thoughts on these 2 top dogs.
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3D will ultimately be best if the lenses are the distance apart of the average eye. Then you would see the images in apparent normal size. If the lenses are closer together, which most of the camcorders are except the Fuji W3, then imagine what is 6 feet from you will appear as if you are standing further away--mabye 12 feet--why they probably call it wide angle 3D. The images will not have the same roundness feel since the lenses are not seeing "around" the object as much as they would if further apart. I have never liked this type of stereo. It looks to flat and cardboard cut-out looking. But it's probably still better than no stereo, however on a smaller TV the images will not have much depth.
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One interesting item on this camera is that supposedly the 3D image (in 3D) is available on the built-in LCD without 3D glasses. Here is the quote from the Sony info on Amazon:

Xtra Fine 3D LCD touch panel with TruBlack technology
A true 3D camcorder, HDR-TD10 is equipped with a 3.5-inch 3D LCD touch panel display that does not require dedicated 3D glasses for viewing.This gorgeous 3D display packs an incredible 1229k dots and is capable of displaying both 3D and 2D images with superb details.

Parallax barrier system
Taking advantage of how the human brain-eye system works, the 3D LCD based on the parallax barrier system employs the same concept to make 3D viewing possible without dedicated 3D glasses. By controlling the direction of light that reaches each eye separately, the 3D LCD is able to let each eye see a slightly different image, therefore allowing our brain to create a sense of depth, just as the way human see the world.
I own the Fuji w3 3D photo/video camera and I think the 3.5" LCD screens are similar. Viewing through the screen in 3D is good only for one person, as you must be at a perfect "sweet spot" to view the 3D image perfectly. However, when you hit that sweet spot the image is very good and you can compose your shots/video and see the 3D effect as you are shooting.
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Question.Since all my stuff is sony tv camaras camcorders mc5 reader av ps3 the list goes on.When and if i purchase this camcorder will i able to write the 3d captions on a dvd-rw via mc5 or do i need a bluray burner.My main goal is to have the right sony product to record all my 2d 3d stuff to dvds .Any and all advice id appericate mucho
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OOOOK How about does this sony have transfer jet.
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OOOOK How about does this sony have transfer jet.
What the hell is transfer jet?
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Newer camaras and laptops have it see the vid below.




I just bought a sony vaio f series and this offers this 8 g memory card 99 buck.is it worth it.who know i will let ya know.docking station has been seen for 111 to 150 .I also have the tx9 very nice camara also.


Here is the dock station below
http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/...52921666079681
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From what ive been reading and watching .The jvc beats out the sony.Any other thoughts on these 2 top dogs.

The JVC's lack of 5.1 sound is a deal breaker for me. I'll wait for some comparisons between the Sony and the Panny cams before I make my decision on which to buy. Most likely be the Sony though.... I already have a Sony HW2 wireless Bluetooth mic which I would like to be able to continue using
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The JVC's lack of 5.1 sound is a deal breaker for me. I'll wait for some comparisons between the Sony and the Panny cams before I make my decision on which to buy. Most likely be the Sony though.... I already have a Sony HW2 wireless Bluetooth mic which I would like to be able to continue using

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If I were doing a serious 5.1-channel mix, I'd be using external mics and then recording that on a multitrack system.

Yeah... that would just work out great with the whole family at the zoo running all over

I have the Sony HW2 wireless blue tooth center channel mic. The receiver fits on the hot shoe and the wireless mic captures the center channel remotely up to 300 feet away while the on-board surround mics continue to operate. The mic actually has two way communication to it. There is an earphone that fits on the receiver and another earphone that fits into the mic so that the cam operator and the subject can speak to each other form further distances. The whole thing really makes for a great communication and great 5.1 effect. So I say again.... the JVC's lack of 5.1 sound is a deal breaker for me.

http://www.generalmanual.com/Microph...Microphone.htm
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Yeah... that would just work out great with the whole family at the zoo running all over

I have the Sony HW2 wireless blue tooth center channel mic. The receiver fits on the hot shoe and the wireless mic captures the center channel remotely up to 300 feet away while the on-board surround mics continue to operate. The mic actually has two way communication to it. There is an earphone that fits on the receiver and another earphone that fits into the mic so that the cam operator and the subject can speak to each other form further distances. The whole thing really makes for a great communication and great 5.1 effect. So I say again.... the JVC's lack of 5.1 sound is a deal breaker for me.

http://www.generalmanual.com/Microph...Microphone.htm
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Do we know yet whether the HDR-TD10 will be able to do the same thing with the center channel (only) recording of an external mic?
As far as I know... yes . They haven't changed the hot-shoe spec in quite some time now and certainly no mention of any change on the TD10 so it should be the same.
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Bigbarney- I modified my HW2 with a Sony ECM-77 lav mic on a 2 ft cord. I disabled the internal mic because the size of the HW2 is so big it was not easy to hide on my speaker. The addition of the professional lav mic also improved the voice quality of the dialog in the center channel. The large mic also did create lots of noise that the new lav modification eliminated. No more clothing rubbing noise or wind blasts either. Sony rep said the mics and all accessories with exception of lenses work with the 3D camcorder.
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Hey... cool!
In my case though I'm just using it for family stuff so I'm not really too concerned about it being seen.

The two way communication of them I find to be just great. The last time we used it was at my kids Christmas concert. My wife was up in the second floor seats with one of the cams, and I was down on the main floor with the other. I took the mic because I was closer. My wife and I were able to keep in contact and talk about what we were each shooting.
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Yes, IFB is something that I wish I had when shooting field TV shows. Only ever had that in the studio. Now we have it as amateur shooters. Only thing I wish I had is a two channel wireless system in this BT setup. I've always had two wireless mic systems for interviews on my broadcast cameras. I made up an adapter for my SR12 that allows me to mount two receivers on the bottom of the camcorder with velcro and the cables connected to a special dual XLR to single stereo mini plug I used for dual mic input. Not sure if I will be able to use that with the 3D camcorder though.
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Does anybody know when this cam is going to be out??
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It appears that Sony rushed the project w/o thinking about editing software. In fact, the Sony rep. at CES 2011 said the camera is for "fun" not for editing.

See You Tube video via word search:

DSMA SONY HDR-TD10 camescope HDD 3D

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That really makes no sense and is about the most idiotic statement in the history of marketing.

Nor is the camera supported for Mac OS X. I'm not sure if you can even download footage for future editing possibilities. Also, no where does it state that the supplied software can edit the footage with any computer. (Uses a new 3D PMB software package). This is supported by the statements of the Sony rep. as noted above.

The camera is available for pre-orders only, shipping out in mid-April.

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It appears that Sony rushed the project w/o thinking about editing software.

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Yes, this is known. It is also pretty much the same for the JVC cam. At present there is no way to edit MVC (mp4) or play it back through anything other than the cam. In fact the same thing happened with the avchd cams. They came out a full year before the avchd editors did.
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will merlin steady shot work with this unit, hum
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will merlin steady shot work with this unit, hum

Yes.
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This camcorder will not be out until the end of summer at best. Japan closed 6 of its factories. So dont hold your breath on getting your hands on this soon. Bummer
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This camcorder will not be out until the end of summer at best. Japan closed 6 of its factories. So dont hold your breath on getting your hands on this soon. Bummer

Source?

Yes, a camcorder is a tiny thing when compared to the devistation that continues to go on in Japan. However, they were close to shipping so that not be as big a delay as you might think, which is why I ask for the source of the info.
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i HAVE NO SOURCE. But the new paper i lay under my parrots cage,
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i HAVE NO SOURCE. But the new paper i lay under my parrots cage,

It's hard to predict the impact of the quake / tsunami / radiation / electricity rationing issues at this point. For instance, we all know that automobile manufacturer has essentially stopped in Japan. However, I also read a report that two ships of Lexus vehicles left Japan yesterday. They had been ready to ship when the quake hit and weren't damaged.

So, a blanket statement that the camera will be delayed is not accurate unless Sony says so. These cameras could already be manufactured and waiting for shipment or final firmware. Could the quake (etc) cause a delay - sure could. But, until we know more that is purely speculation - even if it was newspaper speculation.
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Here's a web site devoted to being the first review of the HDR-TD10. Well at least he was thorough in getting the URL.

http://www.sonyhdr-td10review.com/

Also SonyStyle is still showing April 15, 2011 as the availability date.
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