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I'm uploading a short clip of the JVC mounted on the Merlin.
It will be available shortly:

P.S.
Joe, get your fingers ready to push lots of buttons.

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Responded in the other thread too...

There is no discrete code that I know of. But...

I don't have the ability to test this right now, but I believe that if you play from the camcorder directly, it will auto detect as they are both HDMI v1.4a devices. That means they use something called InfoFrame Data to auto detect the 3D content, even if it is SBS.

If you are playing back the video from a device that is not HDMI v1.4a, that's when you will have to do the extra button pushing.

It might be a week or more before I can confirm this as I am traveling.

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Thanks, Chris. It's a small price to pay. When the software matures a little, most (if not all) of what I'll be shooting will be MVC. And most of it will be played back from the computer. Frank says the JVC's frame packing for interlace plays properly in TMT5 already. I think that probably means auto-switching on new 3D TVs. Can someone confirm that? I can't recall if that' been addressed specifically.

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I'm uploading a short clip of the JVC mounted on the Merlin.
It will be available shortly:

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I'm getting the RS40 all warmed up.

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Here you go!
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7350380/00007.MTS

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Here you go!
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7350380/00007.MTS

Great. Thanks for doing that.

It still amazes me to see footage shot with one of those little devices. You can do things with it that are hard to pull off on a professional Steadicam - such as handing it off through a window to another operator. Was it easy to get the JVC's balance set? Looks like it's a good match, size wise.

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Great. Thanks for doing that.

It still amazes me to see footage shot with one of those little devices. You can do things with it that are hard to pull off on a professional Steadicam - such as handing it off through a window to another operator. Was it easy to get the JVC's balance set? Looks like it's a good match, size wise.

It would have been easier to balance it if my wife had not been telling me to put it down and come and eat.

Really, it was a piece of cake to balance it.
After it stops snowing maybe I'll try it outside.

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It would have been easier to balance it if my wife had not been telling me to put it down and come and eat.

Really, it was a piece of cake to balance it.
After it stops snowing maybe I'll try it outside.

Terrific. I'd love to see some outdoor JVC footage with the Merlin. One of the first places I took the JR was down along a riverbank. As I sometimes stumbled along, I wondered how the footage would look. I was shocked to see how smooth it turned out. Balancing a camera on the JR was a pain, so the Merlin must have refined that process with its counterbalance system.

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Terrific. I'd love to see some outdoor JVC footage with the Merlin. One of the first places I took the JR was down along a riverbank. As I sometimes stumbled along, I wondered how the footage would look. I was shocked to see how smooth it turned out. Balancing a camera on the JR was a pain, so the Merlin must have refined that process with its counterbalance system.

Will a snowbank do?

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Will a snowbank do?

Quite well. Just be careful not to slip - although that might provide some interesting footage. One of my students once fell off a concrete wall while shooting her video project. Since she wasn't hurt, the whole class got a big laugh out of it.

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Quite well. Just be careful not to slip - although that might provide some interesting footage. One of my students once fell off a concrete wall while shooting her video project. Since she wasn't hurt, the whole class got a big laugh out of it.

Alrighty then....
I'm tempted to go down right now and shoot some video of the snowmobilers down below but it's snowing a little too much at the moment. If it slacks up I'll give it a go.

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I just tried mounting the Merlin on my VariZoom and it works quite nicely. Now if I can just locate the Velcro strap......

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So anything yet on MVC editing?

3D items I own:

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So anything yet on MVC editing?

Don't hold your breath.

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I'm uploading a clip shot with the JVC mounted on my Merlin stedicam.
Not ideal conditions as it was fairly dark and snowing.
Another 30 minutes or so.

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http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7350380/00008.MTS
JVC GS-TD1 mounted on Merlin stedicam.

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If it's a Samsung, you can display your Premiere video window in 3D.

Sorry for abducting your quote from another thread, Frank, but it works a little better here, especially given our editing discussions. I'm trying to get the Adobe Premiere CS5 3D workflow fixed in my head. Please correct me if I'm wrong about any of this. To get Adobe Premiere working with 3D files, you need to do the following:

1. Get either Cineform NeoHD or Neo3D.
2. Make adjustments in the Cineform software (Firstlight) to prepare the 3D footage for Premiere.
3. Edit using the Cineform presets in Premiere.
4. If you have a compatible 3D TV, set the Premiere program window (in the primary editing interface display) to show content in 3D.
5. If you have another 3D monitor, set it to display the program monitor full screen.

Both program displays can be regular 3D TVs like Samsung, Panasonic, Sony, etc. A card like the nVidia 460 can output (via HDMI and DVI) the main Premiere editing interface (with 3D program window) and the 3D program output in full screen.

Is all that correct? And can Premiere deal with SbS content by stretching the 960x1080 to normal size? I know it needs to convert footage to the Cineform codec before you edit.

I planned to get into all this a couple of years ago, but I was never able to do it. I'm playing catch up. I can upgrade to NeoHD inexpensively, since I'm a Cineform user from the early days.

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Everything you wrote is correct I believe .

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The video preview window will not be 3D unless your display supports interlaced modes.

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http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7350380/00008.MTS
JVC GS-TD1 mounted on Merlin stedicam.

First off, I need to say that I think the footage you posted earlier is very clean for handheld. I don't know if this is mainly because you've gotten so good at it from practice, or because the image stabilization system on the JVC is exceptional, or both. That said, the last clip demonstrates what the Steadicam Merlin can do for handheld shots.

To me, the Merlin takes video to the next level. It's truly "cinematic" and makes moving shots look very professional. Take a camcorder like the JVC and use it handheld, and shakiness becomes exaggerated - in large part due to the fact that the lens is not really wide enough for handheld shooting. The rough edges are almost completely smoothed out by the Merlin. It's a great tool to help compensate for lens limitations, and I'm now convinced I'll want one for the JVC.

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The video preview window will not be 3D unless your display supports interlaced modes.

I had my finger poised to purchase a 40" Samsung 3D LCD display the other day, but I'd still rather not disrupt my editing space if I don't have to. Do the Samsung LCD's support interlaced modes?

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I had my finger poised to purchase a 40" Samsung 3D LCD display the other day, but I'd still rather not disrupt my editing space if I don't have to. Do the Samsung LCD's support interlaced modes?

Samsung supports them all.

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Samsung supports them all.

Cool. I knew the Samsung plasmas did, but wasn't sure about the LCDs. I knew I should have bought that 40 incher when I had the chance to get one at a good price.

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Curious but what's a Merlin?

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Curious but what's a Merlin?

The Merlin is a handheld Steadicam device invented by the same guy who invented the big Steadicam used in countless motion pictures. The big one attaches to the operator's body with a vest and support system. It allows a camera person to shoot basically anywhere they can walk, or run. Watch the SbS video Frank first posted earlier today to see the device in the mirror. It's a mini-miracle for personal camcorders.

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Some Steadicam shots are so smooth they almost look like tripod shots. You can almost always tell the difference, though, by looking for movement at the edges of the frame. It's the giveaway.

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That is bad ass, how much are they?

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That is bad ass, how much are they?

About $800. My Steadicam JR (Merlin's predecessor) was about $450 when it came out. There are alternatives, of course, including some very clever (and inexpensive) ones.

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The Merlin is a handheld Steadicam device invented by the same guy who invented the big Steadicam used in countless motion pictures. The big one attaches to the operator's body with a vest and support system. It allows a camera person to shoot basically anywhere they can walk, or run. Watch the SbS video Frank first posted earlier today to see the device in the mirror. It's a mini-miracle for personal camcorders.

I just located my old Stedicam Jr.. Do you think it is worth using with the new JVC 3D camcorder or is Merlin now the only way to go?
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I just located my old Stedicam Jr.. Do you think it is worth using with the new JVC 3D camcorder or is Merlin now the only way to go?

The Merlin and the JR work on exactly the same principle, and have a very similar stage and gimbal. I think the Steadicam JR should work very well with the JVC. Mine is broken (damaged by students). If I had a working JR, I wouldn't hesitate to use it with the TD1.

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I had my finger poised to purchase a 40" Samsung 3D LCD display the other day, but I'd still rather not disrupt my editing space if I don't have to. Do the Samsung LCD's support interlaced modes?

as i had post in the other thread not all samsung lcd 3d tv support it:

"""i have try the full hd 3d "frame packing for interlace" mvc format at a
new samsung led 3d tv the LE 55A 956d and you know what
it downscale the 1920x1080 to 1280x720!!!"""
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