Believe me, I don't want to give up on the Z10k, I just love this little camera, I love the AC90 body style and it shoots awesome in full auto, at least in 2D so far only. But you might be right, I am comparing it to a professional camera that's full bit rate per lens (3DA1). For the Z10k I was using it in 3D each time in manual mode and have used a few of the scene settings, like 1,2, and 5 as I found those the best. WB, iris, focus I had in auto although I did set it to 5600k the last time I used it in 3D which is mostly what I have the 3DA1 set up for that works best for outdoors. I set up all 7 of the user modes, which are really handy. You know there are 3 hard buttons on the side and then 4 touch screen ones, I wish those could also include some other functions that are not included in the user list there, like media select would be nice, or 3D/2D mode or audio select. Oh well.
I still haven't bought Vegas Pro, I had some gear to get that was needed instead. I was able to get a short SBS rendered of some test footage from botanica the other day from the 3DA1. I backed the date up on machine and I got the trial to work again, but now I can't seem to get it to work as I tried it again yesterday. Not a big deal, I just wanted to see how the results looked from a SBS render from the 3DA1 and I am convinced that it's good enough, in fact, looks very much like whats coming raw from camera so I'm pretty impressed with it.
I've just ordered two full sets of macro screw on adapters for the 3DA1, so I'll have to try them out when they get here. I'm not expecting great quality as they're just screw on adapters not a full macro lens. There's a +10 adapter from Hoya that I want but they're about 85 each so I'll have to wait, I just got the cheap Vivitar set for now.
Getting back to the Z10k, I'll be taking it to botanica on the 15th as it's Kite Day for Father's Day and I'll probably not be shooting with the 3DA1, just the Z10k so I'll test out the 3D again on it. As long as lighting conditions are close I should have plenty of footage to compare it to by then.
Actually, and by no means do you have to do it, but would you be interested in testing some footage from my 3DA1 against your experience of what the Z10k outputs in 3D? I haven't used either of these cameras that long. Maybe I'm just crazy and making a mountain out of a mole hill or something
. I could provide you with a link to the files, it might take awhile to download them, my upload speed here is only about 1mb, run them overnight maybe. Just a few clips would probably be enough 3-5 mins. worth. I have some daylight shots if you have some too to do a semi direct comparison.
Mostly to me it just seems like a bit rate issue. I've seen it before in lower quality cameras. But maybe, you're right, it might just be a simple combination of settings to get the right look. The last time I used it I also increased the color gamma a few levels which helped a little. I had to do that on the 3DA1, as neutral looked very saturated and dull. When I made the adjustments it just completely lit up my screen. That might be the case with the Z10k, I just haven't found the right combination for it. For the 3DA1 test clips, you'd just have to set the production to SBS half, pair each set as stereoscopic, then do a final render. I did mine at 36 mbps.
The funny thing about the Z10k, is it has more bells and whistles than any camera I've seen before, in fact, considering the fact that it does 3D, it probably does
. It shoots 3D, it shoots 60p, it has a 5.1 mic, it shoots in 24p and 60i in 3D, which I understand many of the early 3D cameras didn't, it doesn't shoot native 720, but 1080 60i can work. The JVC one might come close, but does it have all the menu options that the Z10k has? It has a 10x zoom, the 23x zoom in 2D is pretty good. I don't know if the extra zoom is digital or not, they didn't go overboard and give it a 1000x digital like some cameras. It also does LPCM if you need it. But yet they skimped on the bit rate. Why? Why? Why Panasonic? Like I said, I hope I'm making a mountain out of a mole hill. That or it's just professional vs. pro sumer, which could likely be the case.