Originally Posted by trevorjharris
Have been playing with PD 10 for 3D blu-ray production and have found it to be very limiting. First of all it does not produce a profile 5 blu-ray disc. It does infact produce an AVCHD version 2 3d disc. I have not found much info on this format other than not all 3D blu-ray players will play these discs so you need to check before you buy. Because this format is very simple it will not support such high bitrates as a profile 5 disc. The big difference with profile 5 is that it uses a ssif file which interleaves the base and dependent view with a maximum total bitrate of 60 Mb/s. Normally the dependent bitrate will be 50% of that of the base view.
This brings us to another limitation of PD10 in that the difference in bitrate of the Base and Dependent streams are very similar. This means that the quality achieved will be less than opimal.
Vegas produces a bitrate ratio of about 70% which is about the same as the TD10 produces. However vegas does produce Profile 5 discs but without menues.
PD 10 produces 3D discs with very low bitrates (about 15.5 Mb/s combined). One of my clips produces an increadable amount of blocking at this bitrate. There is a trick using SVRT for making 2D blu-ray discs with a custom bitrate but I have been unable to get this to work with 3D.
I suspect that Cyberlink did not go with profile 5 because of the licencing costs.
I would be gateful for other peoples views of all this.
Originally Posted by Don Landis
I found your compatibility statement interesting. I have several 3D players here and all of them handle the PD10 menu 3D productions just fine. Do you know for a fact which player can't play PD10 rendered disks?
The AVCHD 2.0 disks trevorjharris mentioned are particular camcorder originated formats, namely 1080p60-2D and 1080i60-3D. Said another way AVCHD 2.0 is 60fps progressive 2D, or it can be 30fps interlaced 3D. That is 30 frames per second for 3D is 60 fields per second interlaced 3D.
See the specific addendum for AVCHD 2.0 at the link below.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVCHD#S...28AVCHD_2.0.29
When trevorjharris wrote that, "not all 3D blu-ray players will play these discs so you need to check before you buy," that is absolutely correct for these p60 and i60 formats that are AVCHD 2.0 compliant. So far I have only seen Sony BDPS480 BDPS580 and BDPS780 players that will play these disks. A firmware download to these player from Sony may be needed to play AVCHD 2.0.
Do you know of any other bluray players that will support playing AVCHD 2.0?
The question of profile 5 refers to bluray players that play 3D disks. "BLURAY" 3D is an older, widely supported format, while AVCHD 2.0 is newer and far more limited in its support.
The specification for "BLURAY 3D" is either 720p60-3D or 1080p24-3D. This is what Don was talking about for PD10 rendered disks. Yes indeed they are compatible with 3D bluray players as long as they are one of the two picture format / frame rates listed in this paragraph.REFERENCE CHART
BLURAY 3D = 1080p24-3D
BLURAY 3D = 720p60-3D
AVCHD 2.0 3D = 1080i60-3D
AVCHD 2.0 2D = 1080p60-2D
Note: Both BLURAY 3D and AVCHD 2.0 3D use the "interleaved" method for coding the two eyes. This is accomplished using what is known as MVC, or Multi View Coding.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiview_Video_Coding
How did you determine what the output bit rate on the resulting 3D disk was from PD10?
What Bit rate output does Don achieve from PD10 for 3D, and where are these settings made?