I'll send Sony Netherlands an e-mail with the question if they can flash the cam to European languages.
Shutters are closed meanwhile. Weather is nasty, no shooting today.
Good news from Japan! The seller felt responsible since the advertisement text did not mention the Japanes model not to have multiple languages. He found a HDR-TD10E PAL version and it is on its way. I told him I'd be leaving for the States and I will only send the Japanese TD10 back as soon as I have my hands on the PAL substitute. Because either way, struggling through Japanese menu need be or flowing through menu's in my own language, a TD10 will be hooked up to a SBE in less than two weeks from now. The seller agreed to that and is quite confident I'll have the camera in a matter of days. I think he is right.
Great and excellent AND expeditious service! It still exists!
Greatings from one happy camper!
P.S. to those of you that watched my first 3D footage and enjoyed the tracks from Ilse DeLange: The Common Linnets (of which she is half) ended as runner-up in the Eurovision Songcontest! Wow! A lady with a beard or a man with a dress (I think the latter) with a golden voice from Austria won.
Hey Jereon- I try not to fall in love with my background music artists although she is quite easy on the eyes, and ears. I once had a female VO talent who was always flirting. I ignored it since I knew it was just to get more business.
Yep, I heard back from Sony, can't be flashed.... So they said down here. It could be worthwhile to send the English Sony guys and galls the same question, who knows, perhaps they know of tricks the Dutch have never heard of. They send me a link with the European Userguide of the TD10, you then sorta need to match the pictures of the menu in the userguide with those of the cam. Could work, I experimented with it before I got my PAL version, apart from the very first setup screen (where you can select another language), the setup seems to be equivalant to that depicted in the user guide. Can't be sure though since my Japanese is as good as my Swahili... And I did not try all the options to find out by "Trial on Error".
I got extremely lucky to swap my TD10 NTSC for PAL, it even masters Dutch... I love the TD10! On the tiny screens it was hard to see a difference between the TD10 and TD20. Mostly they more or less produced the same picture when I shot comparison shots. I did not have a chance to see it on the full screen in my man cave yet, we rushed over to Vancouver yesterday. Unfortunately, we had to split up since the aircraft was overbooked. My 19 year old daughter was eager to demonstrate her grown-upness and insisted on traveling alone with her younger brother the next day. So, here we are, the wife and I, in rainy Richmond (Vancouver International Airport's home town), it is raining cats and dogs, only get to screw the SBE on my TD10 tonight...
On my tiny TD10 display I got the feeling the SBE does it's job. The general idea of carrying two cams rather than mounting/unmounting the SBE works out as I had anticipated, TD20 for close ups/wide angle, TD10 for 3D at a larger distance. It turned out the required amount of zoom on the TD10 with SBE is a handicap. On some scenes I had not zoomed far enough to get rid of the black sides caused by the SBE. Some of those scenes looked promising, I'm hoping that cropping them in Vegas will work.
My Sony Vaio is definetly not the tool to do on the road Vegas editing. It does prove its use by previewing clips in Sony's media management tools, I can cut the clips and delete the rest. This way editing in Vegas will only mean putting the selected clips in the right order. Of course, I can only judge the 3D part of the material on my big screen at home..
Next half of the trip will consist of: Beverly Hills, Griffith Observatory, Joshua Tree National Park, Sedona, Grand Canyon (including helicopter tour), Hooverdam, Las Vegas and finally New York (that we will do on bicycle as well).
Greetings from packed Balbao RV Park,
Did anyone ever had an issue with td10, 20 or 30 that one camera is out of sync/focus with another? Right camera is out of focus 50% of the time (I own td20). "Auto 3D Lens Adjust" doesn't solve the issue. I can't figure out what triggers such behavior.
Jeroen- Sounds like you are having a great time. Looking forward to seeing your footage.
When in Las Vegas be sure to do the Eifel Tower view at the top. The wire cage up there won't permit your SBE as it will be blocked but the TD20 will be able to see through the camera ports without blockage. I had to return with my TD10 since the wire cage view ports was too small for even the Z10K. So just take the TD20. The Stratosphere tower is no longer a good view of the strip since the new high rise buildings block the view. Go there for the rides, but the view of the Las Vegas strip is bad.
I had a TD10, with focus error on the right lens.
I bought it in Austria, and because of EU warranty i send it 3 times to
hungarian service for repair. They changed the right lens completely, tried
to calibrate, etc. but finally i got my cam back worse than it was.
They said i have to go to Sony Austria for replace unit or money back.
The austrian service also tried to fix it 2 times, without luck, so
i have my money back. I wanted to buy a TD20 because the lack
of internal memory of TD30, but this model was discontinued, so
now i have a TD30. It's a lot better (ok, smaller base, but that's all)
Focus is acceptable for me. Rarely i see the left picture sharper, when
there is lot of detail/motion in scene, but i think this is only because of
MVC compression, 28mbps is not enough for such scenes.
So what i like in TD30 after TD10?
- AE shift
- white balance shift
- 3D depth setting to auto (adjust parallax)
- smaller, lighter
- built in lamp
-3 customizable function button
- smaller base (good for macro)
And what i don't like
- smaller base
- slowest zoom speed is still fast, pana can do slower
- no possibility to hide all OSD from the screen
- no manual white balance (or at least lock)
- no filter ring (polar, sunshade, macro, etc)
- 2D display switch - not remember when power on/off
- limit AGC function only in 2D mode
- interlace 3D
The only factory defect I have had was with the Sony 3D bloggie. We discovered one of the cams was off a little in vertical disparity but Sony auto 3D adjust fixed that just fine.
can you upload please some short native MTS files created with your TD10?
I really like to see if the left and right side are equally sharp.
One outside in sunny day (wide and zoomed )
the other test inside, lowlight (iris open) wide and zoomed
Thank you very much!
It will take some time before I have my footage finished. During the last 3 hours of flight between LAS and JFK I selected the good from the bad clips and cut a bit here and there, nonetheless the clips that came through the selection are almost countless...
And I have some ambitious plans for my editing. The first thing I could finish is a comparison Blu Ray iso between the TD-10 and TD-20 with and without Cyclopital SBE.
Last day of vacation tomorrow, flight KLM644 leaves for Amsterdam at 22:55. Arrive at home on Sunday around 13:00, back to work the Monday there after... 6 days in a row..
Reasoning behind it is: superb crisp image directly from the TD10, no flicker none what so ever. Rendering toward 720p for some silly reason gives me the feeling I'm down grading the resolution... Though I do realise rendering also takes it from 50i to 50p when I render to 720 50p 3D BD iso... Is it technically so that the resolution of 1080 50i is exactly the same as 720p or not? I'm confused here. My gut feeling says I'm looking at interlaced footage of two cams build in one: two times 1080 25p interlaced to one 3D stream 1080 50i. If I have no flicker issues as a viewer and neither of my family members have, this feels like the best format to edit to. Then getting it to play becomes an issue and that is why I am looking for a Medi8er solution or something simular.
Hoping someone out there has a solution.
EDIT: sent Mede8er this question. Their answer: go buy a Sony Blue Ray player: BDP-S7200. According the technical specifications of this player, it ought to be able to do the trick. Just to be on the safe side here, I asked Sony if this player can give me 3D output whilst playing a Vegas rendered AVCHD .m2ts file, either from BluRay but prefferably from an external USB harddrive... To be continued. Oh, nice side effect: the player plays much more using UTP or WiFi, amongst others e.g. NetFlix.
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I'll post this question in the Vegas 13 thread as well..
in the 3D mode how should the LCD display look like? I thought the image on the display was more 3D like rather than very sharp.
The displayed image had a bit of an offset just like when we look at a 3D video on a 3D TV without glasses. Is this normal?
figure out what kind of a SW workflow would work for me. My 3D blu-ray player is Panasonic
DMP-BDT220 and I want to try and take highest quality possible into my two 3D displays.
A Panasonic 3D plasma and Epson 5030 Projector. For what I read in these forums there're lot
variables at play here and that's why I listed the exact equipment I have. I also have access to
Vegas Pro13 and also Power Director 12. I've never edited 3D so that'll also be a first for me
Any suggestions as to where to begin my 3D journey? I'm excited right now.. hopefully not
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Being new to 3D myself and reading these forums and advice find Powerdirector 12 if you want 3D menus, or Vegas Pro without menus, or Vegas with dvdarchitect you can have 2D menus and mix 2D/3D clips, cheaper version is vegas studio platinum suite. Best way to see what you prefer is to download trials and try them. I personally use PD12 and Vegas Pro 12 suite, its down to what you wish to pay for software and to what extent you want to edit, quick and easy and simple to use is PD12, Vegas Pro more professional editing with a steeper learning curve, though there are loads of howto videos for both programs on the net and youtube besides tutorials on makers websites.
I was looking to confirm if my player can play AVCHD2.0 3D but was not able to confirm that.
Your post gives me hope guitarman. I hope it's true.
I also have an OPPO BDP-83 but that's not 3D so not very useful here.
I have not used PD before but can get this if that's agreed to be the one which can work best in my
situation. Vegas Pro I use quite a bit for 2D editing so I'm more familiar with that.
projects (vacation, travel and community events etc). So far I've only used the 2D flow also including
a couple of multicam projects in Vegas pro. With the new 3D camcorder I'm excited about new things
I can learn to do. Also excited to see in your post that I can do mix 2D/3D clips in DVD architect.
However, the disadvantage can be that if the two beams cross in near distance to the camera, and if there is the farpoint has some distance, then the disparity in the farpoint may become too huge. So one has to be carefull also with that type of camera to avoind to huge disparities.
The major guidline, what may be the maximum distance: well it must not go beyond the distance of the human eyes at the later presentation monitor - what is seen as 6.5 cm. So if you shoot for a 55-inch monitor then the disparity at the monitor must not go beyond 6.5 cm. But that would be more if you shoot for a 110-inch monitor.
I've tried to limit the shooting distance to within 10-15ft given the type of camera I have for try and maximize the 3D impact.
Still I see quite a bit of variation of the "3D ness" in my samples. Sometimes I see superb 3D with great sense of that extra
dimensions we miss in 2D. Yet sometime the footage almost look like 2D with slight blur when glasses are off.
Objects in adjacent horizontal planes (within the 10-15ft range) come out well with very good differentiation between 2D
& the 3D version. As you can tell I'm still a novice on this. I plan to do some travelling at the end of this month so I'm trying to learn
as much as I can before that because while I'm travelling I won't be able to evaluate my footage on a 3D TV to see how well it
came out except for looking at the camera's LCD display.
This week I am on a Dutch Island, carrying both camcorders. A forthnight from now, I will drive through the Lake District with my wife on two motorcycles and will definitly carry the cams. To cut a long story short: I am creating footage in a far higher pace than I am editing it.... Somethings to do for next winter.
I feel that maybe more useful than the 3D depth setting which the knob is currently assigned to. I was hoping that someone
can convince me otherwise and explain the value of adjusting the 3D depth often. Ultimate goal of course is to enhance the perceived
3Dness of what I shoot within the 10-15ft range.