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post #1 of 75 Old 01-11-2010, 05:04 PM - Thread Starter
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OK...I have put this off, and tried to push through the self-indulgent urge to vent in an actual post. But with CES 3D-mania, I can bare it no longer.

Am I the only one who could give a good, rat's a** about 3D??

I mean, has this ever been more than the most fickle of fleeting fads? And now...at a time where we could really be focusing on true innovations in improving the way we view content...it seems that the industry is hell-bent on getting these funny glasses back on our heads.

Well, I tell ya what: if you want to wear them in my theater, you better bring your own...and I'll throw something at your head, while we watch Reservoir Dogs in glorious 2D!

Maybe you feel the same way...maybe you don't?

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OK...I have put this off, and tried to push through the self-indulgent urge to vent in an actual post. But with CES 3D-mania, I can bare it no longer.

Am I the only one who could give a good, rat's a** about 3D??

I mean, has this ever been more than the most fickle of fleeting fads? And now...at a time where we could really be focusing on true innovations in improving the way we view content...it seems that the industry is hell-bent on getting these funny glasses back on our heads.

Well, I tell ya what: if you want to wear them in my theater, you better bring your own...and I'll throw something at your head, while we watch Reservoir Dogs in glorious 2D!

Maybe you feel the same way...maybe you don't?

CD

Im with you CD! 3D does not excite me at all at least not yet. I demoed panasonics 100" 3D tv and wasn't that impressed and couldn't imagine watching every tv show in 3D! They have been talking about ESPN releasing 3D content but do I really want to watch the Super Bowl, NBA games etc.. with my buddies and have those glasses on! Taking them on and off everytime I need to go to the kitchen and get a beer or some food will just get irritating IMO. Sure I can walk around all day with them on but then I would look like a idiot..haha

I wish they were focusing more on 4k projectors than 3D. Personally 4k excites me a lot more then 3D in the home.


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3D is a bad label anyway, it should be called 2Dx2.
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I don't quite get it either. I actually saw a 3D set-up at one of our local electronic retailers and can't imagine this catching on. I actually find it very distracting. Purely a fad IMO.

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I'll throw in for better 2D... Actually, I'd go even further and say while I'm looking forward to 1440P or whatever is around the corner, I'd rather more effort was put in to getting what we have now working properly; i.e HDMI (do we really need 1.4 when 1.3 has barely settled down), HDCP (no need to elaborate) BD+..... and on and on...

It makes me laugh that the manufacturers act like people are salivating over 3D; most people I know haven't ever even bothered with BD (especially after I detail my issues with HDMI and the like). I haven't even been able to convince my mom to get a DVR and stop using VHS to tape her TV shows.....

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I only want 3D WITHOUT wearing glasses. Contact me when that becomes available. It's a stupid fad!

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So how long do you guys think this 3D fad is going to last?


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I don't see this mattering much to me for films. Folks saying that all or most films will soon be 3D I can't see happening.

I do see a possibility of it being big for games and sports though.Tough to argue with the massive bucks coming in for Avatar likely to be the highest grossing film of all time.

If I listed 100 of my favorite films I can't see 3D mattering at all for about 98 of them.

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I don't see this mattering much to me for films. Folks saying that all or most films will soon be 3D I can't see happening.

I do see a possibility of it being big for games and sports though.Tough to argue with the massive bucks coming in for Avatar likely to be the highest grossing film of all time.

If I listed 100 of my favorite films I can't see 3D mattering at all for about 98 of them.

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I always thought 3D gaming would be cool. I can see that taking off! Call Of Duty in 3D!


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I've never even seen a 3D movie although, given all the hype, I thought I'd see Avatar again but in 3D. Then I'll vote...


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I'm one of the (a bit) over the top about 3D.

So Sorry, but anyone that thinks the beginning migration from flaaaat 2D to 3D is a fad is like those that (I'm not making this up) declared way back when that talking pictures were a fad and would never replace the silent pictures!!

It's like denying that HD is better than NTSC standard def.

Now, I personally would wear a helmet to get Avatar quality 3D at home - glasses are not a problem if it gets us FINALLY out of flat land.

Everyone I know that has seen Avatar in 3D was not bothered by the glasses at all and, in fact, raved about how simple glasses could produce such an amazing visual effect and experience!!

Anywho, there is WAY too much SERIOUS money behind 3D for it to fail and WAY too many TV and Movie content producers are beginning to crank out 3D for us to go WOW over. Heck, the NFL has trialed 3D games with tremendous success - ESPN, Disney, Sony and DirecTV are already making content commitments while not only are more and more movies being produced in 3D older films are being re-post produced in 3D.

Time, at least at my age, flys by and - IMO - the 12 to 18 months it will take for content to go from a trickle to a expanding stream/creek/river will be gone almost before we know it and then, alas for the flat thinkers, they will be stuck in the obsolete backwater of FLATLAND!!

Okay - how can you see emerging content like Avatar 3D and NOT be wanting more and soon?

Sure, I will continue to enjoy classic 2D content but I can't believe that anyone would seriously deny that 3D will quickly become the leading and most popular mainstream while 2D will be fading to obsolete!

AND THEN - LOL! - 360 degree wall panels with 3D will replace single display viewing and then - hologram based multi-dimensional will come along?? Who knows but what we can count on is FlatLand will quickly become GoneLand but by all means all cling to it if that's really your video preference.
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I don't have any desire for the majority of the movies I watch to be in 3D. I have watched a few though that were quite entertaining and had cool effects, mainly with my 4 yr old. It definitely has it's place.

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I always thought 3D was more of a gimmick...... with all the protruding items sticking out of the screen. However, Avatar in 3D was not a gimmick and shows how good 3D can be. Wearing the glasses was not a issue.

For those who have not seen Avatar in 3D I would urge them to go and see it with an open mind..... you never know you might like it.

If you could replicate that in a Home Theatre for a modest cost then I might be interested but I think it needs to be the right type of movie and keep the gimmicks out of it. But I'd think I'd still watch the vast majority of movies in 3D as I don't see it adding a lot of value.

It would be great for the gaming experience thou.

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3D in a theater gives me a headache, wearing the glasses and all. I don't think I would would to inflict that on myself at home.
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I couldn't stand the glasses that came with Monsters vs Aliens.
If you have a regular pair of glasses it might be OK.

I'll refrain from judgement until I've actually seen a whole movie, though.

I'm voting better 2D, but could be swayed.
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I'm one who loves 3D. Enough so that I wish all movies were in 3D. Not the kind like the kids movies with the ball and paddle game, or always with stuff flying at you, so to speak. Rather, allowing the director to shoot the world the way we see the world. I know it has been said before, but to me adding 3D is just as natural of a next step as adding color and surround sound were. The world isn't flat, why should the movies be flat?

The issue, at least to me, is the technology. The issue of headaches needs to be resolved, and eventually they need to bring 3D without the glasses. There are some monitors that can do that now, mostly used in labs - not home theater. Pioneer and Sony both have small displays that hook up to a PC (at least I know the Pioneer one does) that are 3D without glasses. Not monitors mind you, they are specific pieces running their own software, you can't run a movie on them, however they are examples of where 3D is heading.

Anyway, do I think 3D will make any of the movies better? Nope. Movies are driven by their stories and actors. Just like I don't think color and surround sound make a movie better. One of my all time favorite movies is the original (I hate that I have to type that) Manchurian Candidate. Would that movie be any better in 3D? Of course not - it's a classic.

However, if I pick something more recent (after the jump to color and surround sound), The Matrix, for example, I'd love to see that movie in 3D. And, it need not be an action/effects movie. I'd even prefer to see a movie like Heat or Shawshank Redemption (or Reservoir Dogs) in 3D...

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3D at home or the movies............. gives me a splitting headache!

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I think 3D is partly a marketing gimic to spur some sales by the display manufacturers. There is a lot of talk, so everyone wants a piece of the action.

While I personally haven't seen a 3D movie in a while, anything I have seen at home has given me the old headache. I think the experience is different at the theaters. I haven't seen Avatar but I'm almost on the edge of going. Honestly, I haven't been to a real theater since Jurassic Park I believe it or not. The home theater has always been more comfortable and cheaper.

I think it's great though that they are attempting to revive 3D and I believe eventually they will get it right and in the end the consumers will get exactly what they want. So hopefully this is a step into improving the overall technology behind it. Technology has certainly gone a long way since the last attempts at 3D in the home were made.

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I tried on the goggle at SonyStyle with their 3D demo setup. I have to say, you are indeed watching a 3D show. The picture image is not bad but I can't imagine wearing the goggle for a long period of time.

This is so much like the quad audio system from years ago. I don't believe the 3D is a feature for mass consumers.

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I only want 3D WITHOUT wearing glasses. Contact me when that becomes available. It's a stupid fad!

+1

They needed something new at CES and it's nothing new, just the old 3-D with HD images so in a home, it could look very close to the theater.

Ok, let me go out and buy a TV that supports 3-d....and where's the content ? Till I see tons of movies start coming out on blu-ray or ?????, it's just a fad and a new buzz word to people who didn't see the old stuff.

All this cool tech, and they still have to use the glasses ? Dumb...

YAWN..... I'm not wowed....

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The home theater has always been more comfortable and cheaper.

After seeing your plans for your new theater....I think you could go to every 3-D movie(with the family and extras) for the next 10 years and still be cheaper than what your new theater might cost lol

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OK...I have put this off, and tried to push through the self-indulgent urge to vent in an actual post. But with CES 3D-mania, I can bare it no longer.

Am I the only one who could give a good, rat's a** about 3D??

I mean, has this ever been more than the most fickle of fleeting fads? And now...at a time where we could really be focusing on true innovations in improving the way we view content...it seems that the industry is hell-bent on getting these funny glasses back on our heads.

Well, I tell ya what: if you want to wear them in my theater, you better bring your own...and I'll throw something at your head, while we watch Reservoir Dogs in glorious 2D!

Maybe you feel the same way...maybe you don't?

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If I listed 100 of my favorite films I can't see 3D mattering at all for about 98 of them.

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Just out of curiosity, what are the two 3D movies that made the cut?

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I think its pretty cool, but only in small doses - something like Star Wars might be cool in 3D, the space battles etc but really, it has a limited scope in my mind. As with Art, my top 100 wouldn't require it.

Gaming on the other hand...well if they improved the glasses (frameless for example) Call of Duty could be really cool, as could Forza.

Big articles in the local press here today saying that 3D would be driven as hard as blue ray by the adult entertainment industry

P.S. I think Avatar sucked

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Here is a viewpoint from a manufacturer (with plenty of 3D experience)
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From CES we are hearing more and more about the proliferation and promise of 3D in the home. 3D
movies have had great success in commercial theaters and Avatar is setting box-office records, as we all
suspected it would. We are excited about the recent announcements from European and US-based
broadcasters that they plan to offer 3D content later this year and 3D channels in 2011, following on
weeks of announcements about technology developments including Blu-Ray’s 3D standards. It is great
news and we can’t wait!
Understandably, we are getting questions about which products from Runco are “3D compatible” and the
industry is quite confused about what 3D means from a technical implementation standpoint (who can
forget that unfortunate 3D experiment at the Cowboys stadium recently?). However, we know 3D. Runco’s
parent company has sold thousands of professional 3D systems, which may very well be more than any
other custom industry manufacturer. Our award-winning, patented solutions are used in demanding
commercial applications such as geospatial intelligence, post-production, computational chemistry, 3D
modeling, medical imaging and complex visualization with breath-taking results. The thought leaders in
stereo imaging use our products. In fact, our displays are currently used by the artists who make the
movies you see in the 3D theaters.
Right now, many television makers are passing off any 120Hz projector and 240Hz LCD panel as “3D
compatible” or worse, “3D ready” despite the fact that the decoding and display standards, especially for
broadcast, are still being established. Claiming 3D readiness today is a false assurance. While other
manufacturers are rushing to market inferior solutions based on refresh specs, Runco is engineering our
3D solution to be the best-in-class total solution that will not require additional upgrades once the dust
settles and content is ready. Runco was not the first to market with 2.35:1 solutions, but Runco’s CineWide
is largely lauded as the best and most successful implementation. Runco was not first to market with LED
projectors, yet the QuantumColor line is setting the standard for the category and proving once again that
Runco is leading the industry.
Runco will offer the pre-eminent solution for 3D when quality 3D content is available in the marketplace.

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DE, I'm not really sure what you were trying to prove with this release...except maybe to see how many times Runco could position 3D in this statement? I have no doubt the "industry" is excited about this; my whole point is I think it's all about $$$ for compatible gear, and $$$ for 3D movies...and I wonder how many of us really want it.

I know this is a biased group...and maybe Sam and Suzy Homemaker, who buy plenty of TVs and movies, disagree...but it's 3-to-1 against right now. Again...if it were "oh, this would be nice to have...for some movies...so let's work on this a bit" I'd say live and let live; I don't want it, I don't have to get it. But if they're talking about turning this into some kind of "standard", I just see it as a way for the "industry" to pull more $$$ out of us.

As a big proponent of digital and online streaming, I feel like this is a crucial time for that movement...and this push for 3D just seems like time and money spent in the wrong place, to me.

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Am I the only one who could give a good, rat's a** about 3D??

Yes, certainly from what I saw at CES. Everywhere I turned, 3D was on display. Most of it looked pretty good (we're talking first gen home versions), including the stuff converted from 2D. It's a fad the way sound, colour, surround, hi-def, etc, were fads.

And, BTW, of course you give a "rat's a** about 3D" since you started a whole thread about it. You can't be so passionate about (against) it and apathetic to it simultaneously. People don't conduct polls for things they don't give a rat's a** about.

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I'm with you on this one. I honestly don't care for 3d at home.
Unless it is true 3d with a hologram or something.

And I'm getting sick of all the threads about it for sure.
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I went to see Avatar in IMAX 3D and was totally blown away by the progress that's been made over the years. The 3D and CGI technology were good enough to make a mediocre 3 hour movie quite enjoyable. Granted, I haven't seen a 3D movie since probably 1988, so I would hope the quality would increase over that time span...

I would watch some movies in 3D, and absolutely no TV in 3D.

3D gaming would be pretty cool, and I'm open to giving it a try when it matures, but...

Active-shutter glasses SUCK, and they cost roughly $100 each? Really? It's disappointing this is the tech the industry has decided to move forward with.

I think that, regardless of anyone's opinion, 3D is coming to the home whether we want it or not. The capability will be built into every TV and projector you attempt to buy within a couple of years. Like others have mentioned, this is being driven by the industry to stir things up, and give manufacturers another bullet point they can slap on the box as a selling feature. I just hope that when it comes, it's an option and not a requirement.

Not to mention the extra $10/month the cable/satellite industry will gladly charge for the latest 3D-HD-DVR box. And let's not forget the additional bandwidth required to move all that extra data to everyone's homes...

HOLODECK FOR THE WIN!


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And, BTW, of course you give a "rat's a** about 3D" since you started a whole thread about it. You can't be so passionate about (against) it and apathetic to it simultaneously. People don't conduct polls for things they don't give a rat's a** about.

I'm not apathetic; I HATE IT!!

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3D, Schmee-D.

I want Smell-O-Vision.

I have to agree with CD that I really don't care for 3-D. As a concept it has been around for decades and the only difference is that it's now in HD and potentially available for home use. I'm no more interested in making regular use of the technology now as I was after seeing Jaws 3D! like three decades ago.

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