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post #241 of 270 Old 07-28-2010, 03:35 PM
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Okay, most of the talk in here is WAY over my head. But I do have a question. I have a Samsung PN50C8000 and BDC-6900. Both have 3D. I have a small 5.1 system someone gave me as a gift a few years ago (Athena Micro or something). Since this is a bedroom TV, I am looking for an inexpensive receiver to go with this set-up, which can do 3D via HDMI and has ARC. It looks like the Onkyo TS308 can, as well as the Denon AVR-591 and the Yamaha HTR-5063 which are both about the same price, but they are at least $130 more than the Onkyo. Any thoughts on my best choice, keeping budget in mind, and the fact this is a bedroom set up?

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The Pioneer 520 would work well for you too. Only $200 at Amazon and it's fully ready for 3D. I have the 1020, but the 520 has the same 3D connections.

Have we finally figured what receiver works best for 3D on this thread? I only have a couple more weeks before I'll be stuck with my Pioneer. I really like the way the Denons are sounding, but I'd still like to hear from some 3d users before sending the Pioneer back.
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The Pioneer 520 would work well for you too. Only $200 at Amazon and it's fully ready for 3D. I have the 1020, but the 520 has the same 3D connections.

Have we finally figured what receiver works best for 3D on this thread? I only have a couple more weeks before I'll be stuck with my Pioneer. I really like the way the Denons are sounding, but I'd still like to hear from some 3d users before sending the Pioneer back.

The Pioneer does not have ARC, or I would have already bought it. Amazon does have a great price, and a free bluetooth dongle if you buy it by 7/31/10.

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Good luck to that...

Every 1.4 receiver released or announced to date has been a low end POS...

These manufacturers are trying to capitalize on the the new 3D buzz by changing a $3 chip on their low end sets which would allow 1.4 without sacrificing their existing line of high end stock.

If you are currently in the market for a new high end receiver you really have no choices right now. Don't get desperate and buy one of these new 1.4 products.. You will not be happy. By the same token I would not buy an older line if 3D is important to you.

Wait another 6 months to a year....

Excellent advice, I am in that position now.

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If I knew the firmware would need an update, I certainly would not buy it, knowing I'd have to disconnect it from all my equipment, box it up, drive to a UPS store to ship it, do without it for an indeterminate time, and so on. What a hassle. However, I have two Pioneer receivers now which never required a firmware update, so I will probably risk it for the 1020.

I'd really like to find a 3D TV that could be updated over the net, for the sake of getting better versions of the 2D->3D conversion software.

The Panasonic TC-P65VT25 has this capability, I have already done it.

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The Panasonic TC-P65VT25 has this capability, I have already done it.

I was concerned about updating firmware over the net for my AVR, because I wasn't sure the Pioneer vsx-1020-k supported hdmi 1.4a (so I could route 3d from DirecTV through it), but that turned out not to be a problem. The 1020 does support hdmi 1.4a and does handle the DirecTV 3d format. And the TV I bought, Samsung pn58c8000, does do firmware updates over the net.

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Are you sure the 1020 handles 3D from Direct tv? I tried running my HDMI thru my 1020 to the adapter, and it wouldn't work. When I bypassed the receiver it worked fine. I guess I will try it again. Maybe I missed something when I tried it before.
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Does the Sammy un55c7000 support hdmi 1.4??
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Does the Sammy un55c7000 support hdmi 1.4??

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Could someone explain to me the science behind WHY a new receiver is needed to output 3D? If, for instance, you have a bluray player of some sort (like my PS3 that will eventually be 3D capable), you don't want the receiver processing the video signal anyway. Why can't an old receiver simply pass the signal straight through? If 1.3 cables can pass a 3D signal, why can't a 1.3 receiver?
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Could someone explain to me the science behind WHY a new receiver is needed to output 3D? If, for instance, you have a bluray player of some sort (like my PS3 that will eventually be 3D capable), you don't want the receiver processing the video signal anyway. Why can't an old receiver simply pass the signal straight through? If 1.3 cables can pass a 3D signal, why can't a 1.3 receiver?

Some but not many 1.3 receivers can pass the incoming content out ontouched or unmodified and these will work fine but they cannot extract the audio from the 1980x2205 Packed frame HDMI 1.4a format from a 3D BR disk player sinc the audio is not in the same location as it is in a 1980x1020 HDMI HD format and in the HDMI 1.4a SbS or TnB format.
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Tks. You think by getting the 1.4 cable the crosstalk could be reduced?? I doubt it personally but just checking nevertheless.
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Some but not many 1.3 receivers can pass the incoming content out ontouched or unmodified and these will work fine but they cannot extract the audio from the 1980x2205 Packed frame HDMI 1.4a format from a 3D BR disk player sinc the audio is not in the same location as it is in a 1980x1020 HDMI HD format and in the HDMI 1.4a SbS or TnB format.

Thank you, that is exactly what I did not understand and the clarification I was looking for. I just bought a Samsung PN507000 and although 3D is not something I'm generally interested in, I'm annoyed I will need to pay $250 more for what is essentially the same receiver just to enjoy the capability should I want it. I'm having a tough time deciding between an Onkyo RC180 or an Onkyo 808, especially since the 808 is brand new and having all of the usual teething problems.
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Are you sure the 1020 handles 3D from Direct tv?

I'm sure that it handles 3D from channel n3D sometimes, for I've watched it around 15 times. I don't know about ESPN3D yet, because there hasn't been anything on there since I got my 3dtv. There are some glitches, but I think (not sure) that they are bugs in the DirecTV software, rather than problems with the 1020. For instance, I just discovered that if I'm tuned to an HD 2d channel, I have no problem changing channels to channel n3D, but if I'm tuned to an SD 2d channel, I get an error if I try to change channels to n3D.

So, I can't be sure the 1020 does handle the DirecTV 3d signals correctly. It's complicated. Put it this way: I haven't yet encountered an error I can associate with the 1020.

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Tks. You think by getting the 1.4 cable the crosstalk could be reduced?? I doubt it personally but just checking nevertheless.

The Yes reponse was that the c7000 supported HDMI 1.4 which it of course does since it has 1.4 receiver chip not a 1.3 receiver chip.
Any HDMI high speed cable supports all of the HDMI 1.4a 3D formats.
HDMI cables do not cause cross talk in 3D active shutter glases.
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I'm sure that it handles 3D from channel n3D sometimes, for I've watched it around 15 times. I don't know about ESPN3D yet, because there hasn't been anything on there since I got my 3dtv. There are some glitches, but I think (not sure) that they are bugs in the DirecTV software, rather than problems with the 1020. For instance, I just discovered that if I'm tuned to an HD 2d channel, I have no problem changing channels to channel n3D, but if I'm tuned to an SD 2d channel, I get an error if I try to change channels to n3D.

So, I can't be sure the 1020 does handle the DirecTV 3d signals correctly. It's complicated. Put it this way: I haven't yet encountered an error I can associate with the 1020.

Thanks for your input. I tried it again last night, but still can't get it to work at all. 3D from by BD is spectacular. In fact all other facets of my home theater have exceeded my expectations, but no joy with 3D from Directv while going thru my AVR.
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Greg,
Here is a link to the ESPN-3D fall schedule sorry you missed the X-Games this weekend:

http://espn.go.com/3d/schedule.html
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Thanks, walford. I did see the X-games, but DirecTV carried them on channel n3D instead of ESPN3D, for some reason.

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I tried it again last night, but still can't get it to work at all. 3D from by BD is spectacular. In fact all other facets of my home theater have exceeded my expectations, but no joy with 3D from Directv while going thru my AVR.

Sorry about that. Maybe it's some sort of hdmi issue involving both the 1020 and your adapter.

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Good luck to that...

Every 1.4 receiver released or announced to date has been a low end POS...

These manufacturers are trying to capitalize on the the new 3D buzz by changing a $3 chip on their low end sets which would allow 1.4 without sacrificing their existing line of high end stock.

If you are currently in the market for a new high end receiver you really have no choices right now. Don't get desperate and buy one of these new 1.4 products.. You will not be happy. By the same token I would not buy an older line if 3D is important to you.

Wait another 6 months to a year....
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Excellent advice, I am in that position now.[/QUOTE]

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I DONT THINK THAT I CORRECTLY CAPTURED THE ABOVE QUOTES BUT THE "ALL ARE POS" COMMENT CAME FROM samendolaro AND THE "EXCELLENT ADVICE" COMMENT FROM cinderelli.

MY QUESTION IS WHAT DO OTHERS THINK? I AM LOOKING TO BUY A REPLACEMENT TO MY OLD YAMAHA 2095 TO GO WITH 5.1 M&K 4 OHM SPEAKER SETUP. WAS LOOKING AT DENON 3311 OR 4311 OR THE YAMAHA 3067. HARD TO SEE WHY THESE ARE "POS"!?!?http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/image...s/confused.gif
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I DONT THINK THAT I CORRECTLY CAPTURED THE ABOVE QUOTES BUT THE "ALL ARE POS" COMMENT CAME FROM samendolaro AND THE "EXCELLENT ADVICE" COMMENT FROM cinderelli.

MY QUESTION IS WHAT DO OTHERS THINK?

I don't have any experience with driving 4 ohm speakers (mine are 6 and 8 ohm) or the systems you're especially interested in. But in general, I think you should just ignore opinions advanced without any accompanying evidence. That's what I do.

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Yes, I saw those comments and ignored them too. Just audiophile snobs
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Yes, I saw those comments and ignored them too. Just audiophile snobs

They probably swear by monster cable too
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Will 1.4 reduce crosstalk??
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I'm looking for a HDMI 1.4 receiver for my home theater and require a receiver with 2 HDMI outputs. One to drive a projector, and the other an LCD display.

I have only been able to find HDMI 1.4 receivers with one HDMI output. Is a dual output receiver available yet?

I'd hate to have to purchase an older HDMI 1.3 receiver, only to have to replace it in the future when I upgrade the projector to a 3D capable model.

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Could anyone compare the Denon avr 590 to the Yamaha htr-3063bl to the Pioneer vsx-520-k for a a/v newbie like me( or any other receiver thats alike in that price range ) I know that I need one that has the component to hdmi switching that is a key feature for me because I cant get hdmi cable boxes where I live. I plan on hooking it up to some energy take classics( if the wife approves the financing that is ) I would really appreciate any details so I can make an educated choice. thank you very much.

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The Yes reponse was that the c7000 supported HDMI 1.4 which it of course does since it has 1.4 receiver chip not a 1.3 receiver chip.
Any HDMI high speed cable supports all of the HDMI 1.4a 3D formats.
HDMI cables do not cause cross talk in 3D active shutter glases.

So to add onto this. I have a Denon 3808ci avr and will be buying the new Oppo 93 and a new 3d capable tv. I was planning on having one 1.4 hdmi cable to tv and then another (existing 1.3 or should I buy new 1.4) to run to my avr.

So based on what you mentioned above this will not work or will most likely have issues? I don't plan on watching much 3d anyway, but thought this would be an acceptable workaround.

Thanks for your help.

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It is no longer legal to make HDMI cables labeles as 1.3 or 1.4 cables all HDMI high speed cables support all HDMI 1.4a 3d formats. See:

http://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/tra..._logo_pub.aspx

Most likly the HDMI 1.3 labeled cable you have is a HDMI high speed cable if it is less then 25 feet long.
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Some but not many 1.3 receivers can pass the incoming content out ontouched or unmodified and these will work fine but they cannot extract the audio from the 1980x2205 Packed frame HDMI 1.4a format from a 3D BR disk player sinc the audio is not in the same location as it is in a 1980x1020 HDMI HD format and in the HDMI 1.4a SbS or TnB format.
Sorry for reviving a dead thread, but I was wonder is this why Bluray cannot pass through a 1.3 receiver, Onkyo 707, but other formats can? Xbox, Cable. Both are HD, but cable and the xbox only do 5.1, where as bluray does HD Loseless Audio. Currently using a ps3, which has to send it as PCM, would a bluray player that can send it Bitstream work? Did I ramble that a tad?

Don't really have a desire to upgrade to a 500-600 dollar receiver just 2 years later.(or purchase another bluray player)
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