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I have a Sony 3d TV and my media player is the WDTV LIVE. I also have the Sony 3d blu-ray player.

I've found some MKV videos on the internet that are labeled as half SBS. I downloaded them and I can play them on the WDTV. The video has 2 frames side by side and when I manually switch the TV to 3D mode and select the side by side format, the frames become one and I get some awesome 3d!

So, i poked around more on the internet and found more stuff. Some labeled half SBS and some FULL SBS.

I was wondering in anyone can explain what is half SBS vs full SBS. Is it likely that if I'm able to play these half SBS full SBS will play also? What is half about the half sbs? Is the resolution half? Half of the source it was encoded from?

Sorry for the newb questions. I'd just like to get a grasp of what I'm looking at with this format. Thanks!
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This is 1920x1080i SbS. When you see them on your 3DTV, they will be 960x1080i each.

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Thanks.

So does that mean it is 1/2 the resolution? In other words 1/2 the quality?

So a FULL SBS two 1960x1080 side by side? I'm guessing the player (in my case a wdtv live) would need to support this very large resolution?
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Yes Full SBS is 1920 x 1080p on both frames. So it's huge.
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AFAIK, the only 3D format that gives you Full HD per eye is the frame packed format used for 3D BD:



SbS is one of the frame compatible 3D formats which uses a 1920x1080 frame to house 2 seperate frames. Another is Top/Bottom (aka Over/Under) which ESPN is using in the 1280x720 format. This results in 2 images each 1280x360:

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Thanks so much. That is great information.

So about full SBS, those files can't be played back on a 3d TV because there is not enough resolution? Maybe if a PC was playing the file on the TV but then it would be down sampled to the TV resolution anyway. (?)
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Thanks so much. That is great information.

So about full SBS, those files can't be played back on a 3d TV because there is not enough resolution? Maybe if a PC was playing the file on the TV but then it would be down sampled to the TV resolution anyway. (?)

I never heard of SbS Full. Do you have a link you can post?
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Is there a difference between a ISO copy of a movie and an Half SBS copy? The Half SBS has about one third bytes so is the picture quality the same?
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ISO=full 1080p per eye.
Half SBS=960x1080 per eye
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I never heard of SbS Full. Do you have a link you can post?

Isn't the Tron Legacy Trailer on www.biohemmet.se done in full SBS (3840*1080}?

I'm already trying to find out how to play it on my Samsung. Streaming?
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Full resolution side by side is pretty easy to find and use if your source is a computer.
The problem is if you intend to use stand alone hardware players that do not offer the flexibility a computer has.

With a computer you can store a 3D movie side by side, over/under or in separate files at any resolution and aspect ratio, be it half or full size, you could even have 4K full resolution 3D if you wanted to. The problem then isn't about the file, it's how to transmit the decoded picture to the display.

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Isn't the Tron Legacy Trailer on www.biohemmet.se done in full SBS (3840*1080}?

I'm already trying to find out how to play it on my Samsung. Streaming?

Play it with a computer and stereoscopic player.
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Is there a difference between a ISO copy of a movie and an Half SBS copy? The Half SBS has about one third bytes so is the picture quality the same?

Can someone answer this? I would like to know
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Play it with a computer and stereoscopic player.

Is there a way to get full stereoscopic resolution to my samsung 3D lcd? The player I downloaded doesn't seem to support a proper 'Blu-Ray 3D' like output through hdmi, but only half resolution SBS/etc.
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Can someone answer this? I would like to know

This was answered in post #9.
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Is there a way to get full stereoscopic resolution to my samsung 3D lcd? The player I downloaded doesn't seem to support a proper 'Blu-Ray 3D' like output through hdmi, but only half resolution SBS/etc.

This is because the video player alone can't output to this format.

You have to use the "hdmi1.4-like" features of your graphics card.
If your graphics card is an Nvidia, you have to use Nvidia 3DTV play
If your graphics card is an ATi/AMD, you have to use AMD HD3D

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3DTV Play isn't needed for Blu-ray 3D. It's only needed for 3D gaming.

You need Power DVD or TMT to play a 3D Blu-ray ISO/Disc.
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He doesn't want to play a BluRay3D in a $100+ software.
Just play a full resolution FullHD 3D video.

Does Stereoscopic player Nvidia 3DTV output work for free or do you need to unlock 3DTV play to make it work ?

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This was answered in post #9.

technically I can see that it's not 1080p per eye but when in comparison, is the quality diff noticeable?
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He doesn't want to play a BluRay3D in a $100+ software.
Just play a full resolution FullHD 3D video.

Does Stereoscopic player Nvidia 3DTV output work for free or do you need to unlock 3DTV play to make it work ?

Yes, 3DTV Play is the only way to output full HD 3D via HDMI 1.4 which is acceptable by all 3D TVs.

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Can someone answer this? I would like to know

Yes,

the ISO has MVC coded differential stereo format like 2D + Delta and it is also content protected against unauthorized copying. Also it has BD menus and extras. SbS is usually a trailer of a 3D movie or a bootleg of ISO rip with protection removed.
The Russian Empire has many websites with bootleg titles like AVATAR and all others. They have copy rights endorsed by nuclear power:-)

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The Russian Empire has many websites with bootleg titles like AVATAR and all others. They have copy rights endorsed by nuclear power:-)

The Cold war is over, Russia uses a much more powerful weapon to make other countries shut up, and it doesn't involve war : they sell oil and natural gas.

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The Cold war is over, Russia uses a much more powerful weapon to make other countries shut up, and it doesn't involve war : they sell oil and natural gas.

It was just a joke about bootleg 3D movies that you can download.

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This is because the video player alone can't output to this format.

You have to use the "hdmi1.4-like" features of your graphics card.
If your graphics card is an Nvidia, you have to use Nvidia 3DTV play
If your graphics card is an ATi/AMD, you have to use AMD HD3D

Thanks for the info!


Is there a (full-HD) 3D streaming solution (Dune, etc.) available yet so you don't need to buy a new pc + compatible video-card? (Am using a non-compatible laptop myself)
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Thanks for the info!


Is there a (full-HD) 3D streaming solution (Dune, etc.) available yet so you don't need to buy a new pc + compatible video-card? (Am using a non-compatible laptop myself)

No, you need powerful HTPC for full 3D HD playback.

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Charlie, I have the same setup, using WD TV LIVE PLUS, would you care to share calibration settings?
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Charlie, I have the same setup, using WD TV LIVE PLUS, would you care to share calibration settings?
Hi there. I dont know what calibration you mean, but this is how I play Half SBS media with my WDTV Live! and SONY tv.

1st you need the WDTV connected to the TV with HDMI.
When you play the half SBS media you will see 2 frames of the movie side by side.
On the TV remote press the 3D button
Press OPTIONS and select 3D options
go down to 3d method and change it from SIMULATED to SIDE BY SIDE.

Thats it. The media will be in 3d, and it works great. I prefer it to actual 3d blu-ray because there is no flicker like that horrible ficker you get from 1080p24 that blu-rays play in.
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i have the WDTV Live and it plays Half SBS but it will not play FULL SBS (1080p L and 1080p R)
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i have the WDTV Live and it plays Half SBS but it will not play FULL SBS (1080p L and 1080p R)
Thats right, What I learned from this thread is that full SBS being 2 1080 frames side by side is not a standard resolution TVs currently support. So the WDTV doesnt support the resolution either.
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Thats right, What I learned from this thread is that full SBS being 2 1080 frames side by side is not a standard resolution TVs currently support. So the WDTV doesnt support the resolution either.
cool have you tried the FULL BLURAY ISO files with your WDTV Live yet? They are like 30+ GB so i haven't bothered to download them, but am wondering if they work and if so do they have noticeable better quality and less ghosting
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