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NVidia 3D TV Play is available for download here.

I read that there was a 14 day trial floating around as well, but haven't looked around for it yet. My Samsung UN46C7000 is awaiting repairs after a mere 3 weeks of working.
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Doesn't support the 430GT which makes it pointless for me. Not sure why that card isn't supported, I have been happily gaming on it in 3D through the iz3D drivers.
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I'm still not exactly clear how this works. Is this driver only capable of sending frame packed content to 1.4a displays? Or can I use this in place of the 3D vision kit to enable 3D video and gaming on my 120hz DLP 3D ready projector?

I just bought the 3D vision kit over the holiday in order to enable the stereoscopic driver (only works when the usb emitter is plugged in), but was hoping to be able to just use this driver instead since I don't even use the nvidia emitter or glasses.
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I'm still not exactly clear how this works. Is this driver only capable of sending frame packed content to 1.4a displays? Or can I use this in place of the 3D vision kit to enable 3D video and gaming on my 120hz DLP 3D ready projector?

I just bought the 3D vision kit over the holiday in order to enable the stereoscopic driver (only works when the usb emitter is plugged in), but was hoping to be able to just use this driver instead since I don't even use the nvidia emitter or glasses.

It is the standalone version of the 3d vision kit, basically what you are using currently by the sounds of it. It eliminates the need for the emitter to be plugged in and allows use of a 3D display with its own glasses/emitter.
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I'm still not exactly clear how this works. Is this driver only capable of sending frame packed content to 1.4a displays? Or can I use this in place of the 3D vision kit to enable 3D video and gaming on my 120hz DLP 3D ready projector?

I just bought the 3D vision kit over the holiday in order to enable the stereoscopic driver (only works when the usb emitter is plugged in), but was hoping to be able to just use this driver instead since I don't even use the nvidia emitter or glasses.

If I'm not mistaken, as a 3D Vision owner, you're entitled to the free upgrade. What I'm reading about 3DTV Play is that it's the component or driver piece necessary for 1.4 HDMI support (for televisions and receivers). Considering pretty much all of the "inexpensive" 120hz DLP 3D projectors don't have 1.4 capabilities, this probably won't work (as indicated by the system req page - no projectors are listed). However, is this even necessary for projector owners that already have 3D Vision installed? This software sounds redundant.
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Turns out you're in luck, as all 3D Vision owners will receive a free upgrade to the new 3DTV Play software supporting full hardware decoding of 3D video and output over HDMI 1.4 in 1080p24, 720p60 (gaming spec), and 720p50. Source

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I'm still not exactly clear how this works. Is this driver only capable of sending frame packed content to 1.4a displays? Or can I use this in place of the 3D vision kit to enable 3D video and gaming on my 120hz DLP 3D ready projector?

I just bought the 3D vision kit over the holiday in order to enable the stereoscopic driver (only works when the usb emitter is plugged in), but was hoping to be able to just use this driver instead since I don't even use the nvidia emitter or glasses.

If you bought the 3D Vision Kit then you have the 3DTV Play becasue it was included for free.
All you need is nVidia graphics card with HDMI 1.3 output and 3DTV play software will enable HDMI 1.4a output to all HDMI 1.4 TVs and Monitors.
You will still need to have the nVidia 3D Vision Kit IR emitter as it is required by free license for 3DTV Play.

If you want to use 3DTV Play with out 3D Vision Kit you must purchase the stand along version.

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Did you miss the link from the first post?

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Disregard this message as the poster "walford" withdrew the statement that 3DTV Play was not yet available for purchase.
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It just went up today.
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The OP's link seems to indicate it's available for $39.99. If this will work as a substitue for requiring the usb emitter to activate sterescopic mode, then I might just return my $200 vision kit. Unless I can sell the glasses for $150?

I'm just not certain this this will enable the 3D vision mode I need to feed the 120hz dlp. The 3DPlay feature list only mentions frame packed 1.4a outputs, and as someone else mentioned there are no projectors listed as supported...

EDIT: And what the hell is this?
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Extended Download Service (details) — $7.99

. So they want an extra eight bucks so I can download the driver again if I ever lose it?
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The OP's link seems to indicate it's available for $39.99. If this will work as a substitue for requiring the usb emitter to activate sterescopic mode, then I might just return my $200 vision kit. Unless I can sell the glasses for $150?

I would not do that.
The HDMI1.4 will only let you play games at full HD with 23.976Hz only. The same goes for movies and still images.

With 3D Vision Kit there is no limit as games can output up to 144Hz frame sequential or 72 HZ per eye full HD or even higher than HD.


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Has anyone tried using Nvidia 3dtv Play through the Mits 3DC-1000 adapter yet?

On the FAQ's on the Nvidia site, it says that it is incompatable with the adapter and the 3d Vision kit/glasses needs to be used.
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The OP's link seems to indicate it's available for $39.99. If this will work as a substitue for requiring the usb emitter to activate sterescopic mode, then I might just return my $200 vision kit. Unless I can sell the glasses for $150?

I'm just not certain this this will enable the 3D vision mode I need to feed the 120hz dlp. The 3DPlay feature list only mentions frame packed 1.4a outputs, and as someone else mentioned there are no projectors listed as supported...

EDIT: And what the hell is this? . So they want an extra eight bucks so I can download the driver again if I ever lose it?

I hate that ****. First they want to charge you for a driver, then they have the gall to charge a ubisoft style download insurance fee.
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Has anyone tried using Nvidia 3dtv Play through the Mits 3DC-1000 adapter yet?

On the FAQ's on the Nvidia site, it says that it is incompatable with the adapter and the 3d Vision kit/glasses needs to be used.

How convenient for nVidia.

The fix is simply to use HDMI 1.4a compatible cable extender or muxer as they will report back to nVidia as generic HDMI.14a 3D compatible input.

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I hate that ****. First they want to charge you for a driver, then they have the gall to charge a ubisoft style download insurance fee.

Just wait few months and you will be able to download it for free.

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How convenient for nVidia.

The fix is simply to use HDMI 1.4a compatible cable extender or muxer as they will report back to nVidia as generic HDMI.14a 3D compatible input.

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Here is their little blurb on the FAQ but if the 3dtv Play output is frame packed and the adapter can accept that as an input, why wouldn't it then be able to convert and display it on the TV like any other 3d input? I am confused on their wording on their answer. I would like to think I am pretty knowledgeable and do a lot of reading on this stuff. Am I just missing some simple explanation?

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Does 3DTV Play work with the Mitsubishi 3DC-1000 3D HDTV Starter Pack?

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No. The Mitsubishi 3DC-1000 3D HDTV is designed to convert source devices that output HDMI 1.4 devices into HDMI 1.4 checkerboard 3D format which Mitsubishi 3D DLPs use to display 3D. Users can use 3D Vision glasses to support Mitsubishi 3D DLPs.
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Just wait few months and you will be able to download it for free.

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Is this known or assumed?
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Is this known or assumed?

Guaranteed.

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You can only download it and run it for free if you have the Nvidia 3D player and emitter installed. Other wise you have to purchase a stand alone version from the Nvidia Website for $40 MSRP.
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Just wait few months and you will be able to download it for free.

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Yeah, like in the old days when Microsoft 'had' to sell Internet Explorer 4 in stores. LOL, I actually bought the $19.99 version because I liked it so much (1996). But $79.99 for Netscape Navigator Gold? Forgettaboutit!
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Here is their little blurb on the FAQ but if the 3dtv Play output is frame packed and the adapter can accept that as an input, why wouldn't it then be able to convert and display it on the TV like any other 3d input? I am confused on their wording on their answer. I would like to think I am pretty knowledgeable and do a lot of reading on this stuff. Am I just missing some simple explanation?

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Does 3DTV Play work with the Mitsubishi 3DC-1000 3D HDTV Starter Pack?

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No. The Mitsubishi 3DC-1000 3D HDTV is designed to convert source devices that output HDMI 1.4 devices into HDMI 1.4 checkerboard 3D format which Mitsubishi 3D DLPs use to display 3D. Users can use 3D Vision glasses to support Mitsubishi 3D DLPs.

When you plug a 3D display into nVidia's HDMI 1.4a output it first reads the reported display type and if it is what they would like to support then it will enable the 3D for it.
But 3DC-1000 3D is not reporting as regular HDMI 1.4a 3DTV so nVidia driver rejects it conveniently asking users to buy 3D Vision Kit.

So the only way is to plug something in-between that reports as a generic 3D HDMI 1.4 complaint display device.

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When you plug a 3D display into nVidia's HDMI 1.4a output it first reads the reported display type and if it is what they would like to support then it will enable the 3D for it.
But 3DC-1000 3D is not reporting as regular HDMI 1.4a 3DTV so nVidia driver rejects it conveniently asking users to buy 3D Vision Kit.

This would explain why the projectors aren't supported as all current commerically available (i.e. under $1000 or less) projectors are 1.3 HDMI.


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So the only way is to plug something in-between that reports as a generic 3D HDMI 1.4 complaint display device.

As in the Nvidia 3D Vision emitter, right? Makes sense now.
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This would explain why the projectors aren't supported as all current commerically available (i.e. under $1000 or less) projectors are 1.3 HDMI.




As in the Nvidia 3D Vision emitter, right? Makes sense now.

Yes,
nVidia supports only 120Hz half HD stereo via HDMI 1.3 with 3D Vision Kit only.
They could at any time support it without 3D Vision Kit but it would mean substantial loss of profits.

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This would explain why the projectors aren't supported as all current commerically available (i.e. under $1000 or less) projectors are 1.3 HDMI.




As in the Nvidia 3D Vision emitter, right? Makes sense now.

The 3D vision emitter wouldn't make a difference since it is just a USB emitter that only plugs into the PC and there is no HDMI port on it. I have the 3D vision kit and if you leave the emitter plugged in to the PC you get the 3dtv Play for free as a part of the new version driver download. I tested it with my Mits adapter and I can set up the 3dtv Play stereoscopic driver and test it with my Mits glasses and it that part works however I could not get the games to work with the Mits glasses.
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The 3D vision emitter wouldn't make a difference since it is just a USB emitter that only plugs into the PC and there is no HDMI port on it. I have the 3D vision kit and if you leave the emitter plugged in to the PC you get the 3dtv Play for free as a part of the new version driver download. I tested it with my Mits adapter and I can set up the 3dtv Play stereoscopic driver and test it with my Mits glasses and it that part works however I could not get the games to work with the Mits glasses.

I was referring to a projector not a television. It makes sense that this emitter, plugged into the PC and enabling the 3D Vision driver, is the catalyst that makes the projector recognized by the PC as a 3D display device. The television route (ie through this 3DTV play software) enables the TV to be recognized as such via HDMI 1.4a - since these projectors aren't 1.4a compliant, then it only makes sense that the emitter is what is necessary when you're using a projector.

However, this is from the 3DTV play owners manual PDF:

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It appers from the following link that Nvida has finally released 3D TV player as a separate product for $39.99 for users who do not have 3D Play package installed.

http://store.nvidia.com/DRHM/store?A...ctID=206491300
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It is about time. I think they didn't want to show up at CES without it.
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The fix is simply to use HDMI 1.4a compatible cable extender or muxer as they will report back to nVidia as generic HDMI.14a 3D compatible input.

Or maybe the E-EDID override works also for this model:
http://blog.bagearon.com/?p=38
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What kind of DRM is in the stand alone package? Surely Nvidia would *try protect it somehow from being spread about the torrents.
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Or maybe the EDID hack works also for this model:
http://blog.bagearon.com/?p=38

Q. What is EDID?

EDID stands for Extended Display Information Data. This is the data contained (usually in a small EEPROM) on each DVI display or HDMI sink. There may be as many as one EDID per DVI or HDMI input.

The source device checks the display's DVI or HDMI port for the presence of an EDID prom and uses the information inside to optimize the output video and/or audio format. The EDID data structure can be for either VESA PC devices or for CEA-861B E-EDID (Enhanced EDID) devices. All sink devices compliant to the DVI or HDMI specification must implement EDID.

An EDID PROM is used only in sink devices. An EDID PROM sits on the DDC channel and uses a 2-wire I2C bus (part of the DDC specification from www.vesa.org) to communicate from the sink to the source. The EDID PROM contains information about the sink that it resides in. Its job is to communicate the preferred (or supported) video and audio formats and resolutions to the originating source. As an example, when a DVD player is powered on, it reads the EDID from an attached HDTV. The HDTV will have in its EDID contents that it is a Samsung 17 LCD panel that supports native resolution of 1280x1024 pixels, but can also support 480p, 720p and 1080i video modes. The EDID may also say that the TV is an HDMI device and has 2-speakers. The DVD player would compare this information with what it can put out of its HDMI port, then set itself to send 1080i with 2-channel stereo to the HDTV.
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Q. What is the difference between EDID and E-EDID?

EDID was formed as a standard to help PC monitors report their capabilities. E-EDID is an extension of the EDID specification used traditionally by consumer electronic devices to illustrate more advanced features.

For example, PC monitors generally do not support audio, so a traditional EDID structure would not account for this, whereas an E-EDID would.

The requirements for a consumer electronics device's E-EDID are available in the CEA- 861B specification (www.ce.org).

The requirements for a PC device EDID are available from VESA (www.vesa.org).

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I have JVC-X3 (RS40) and GT280. Watching 3D videos with Totalmedia theatre 5 works fine with existing driver. So, I've been waiting for this 3DTV Play thing and now that it finally arrives, there is no way for European folks to buy it!?? It only shows up in US store and I even tried to buy it but the shipping address only has US/Canada and few others.

Do they really think this technology is "matter of national security" or what?

I also read about a trial possibility, couldn't find such thing myself. Anyone?
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