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I think these glasses deserve their own thread...
Just hooked up my pair and I must say they not only are a lighter shade
but they add more pop to the 3D image.

I like how you can fine tune the image and essentially tune down ghosting as much as possible. I am using the glasses on a 63" Samsung Plasma from about 10 feet away and its obvious they work much better than the Samsung glasses that I received with MVA kit.

It seems like the samsung glasses were never really tuned into the signal as clearly as the monsters are. The 3d is much more in your face.

The major benefit from these glasses is that they never go out of sync! The samsung's would do this constantly and it drove me nuts. The tape cure never worked for me. Its nice to finally get the full 3D from this TV.
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Nice thread! These 3D glasses deserve alot more attention! I'll add my unboxing and mini review videos for all to see. I love theses 3D glasses!

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Nice thread! These 3D glasses deserve alot more attention! I'll add my unboxing and mini review videos for all to see. I love theses 3D glasses!

Unboxing Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6tLLIwtrb8

Mini review Video:
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Excellent work!!! I can speak for myself only but your videos helped make my decision, Thanks!
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Excellent work!!! I can speak for myself only but your videos helped make my decision, Thanks!

Glad I could help!

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As far as the fine tuning is concerned...I noticed that my plasma can be tuned in 3 places on the led grid...1 1/2 dots (slow), 3 dots (faster)and a full 5 dots (fastest).
I am thinking the 5 dots (the quickest) resloves the blurriness the best.
Also a full 5 yellow dots for me looks best on the duty setting



Update: I think I spoke too soon concerning these glasses...I can fine tune 2 out of the 3 depths the TV is displaying but somehow cannot resolve the ghosting on a 3rd layer of the 3D. I noticed it on the bluray menu...If I fine tune the image I notice the back ground stuff is out of sync, vice versa when fine tuning the background...I have to use 3D viewpoint to adjust the other aspect (-4) right. At this point all looks well then I notice the flat layers are ghosted including the tv menu when i pull it up.

I am not sure if I had this problem before and the fact that you can manipulate the ghosting maybe has made me notice it but as of now these glasses are not resolving all the 3D layers on my Samsung 8000 63" Plasma. Ive tried all the settings and unless someone can enlighten me these glasses are going back.



Update #2: I exchanged for another pair and everything works!! I just got a bad pair
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I wanted to make sure it's still possible to use my samsung IR glasses at the same time as a single pair of Monster RF glasses. This is possible, right?
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I wanted to make sure it's still possible to use my samsung IR glasses at the same time as a single pair of Monster RF glasses. This is possible, right?

From what I have read it is possible, but see my update above before ordering...We need other Samsung owners to chime in
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I wanted to make sure it's still possible to use my samsung IR glasses at the same time as a single pair of Monster RF glasses. This is possible, right?

Absolutely, I can use 4 Samsung IR glasses with my Monster Vision at the same time. Remember, the IR Is used to translate to RF needed for the Max3D glasses.

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Absolutely, I can use 4 Samsung IR glasses with my Monster Vision at the same time. Remember, the IR Is used to translate to RF needed for the Max3D glasses.

Thanks for your reviews, comments etc. I'm still not clear on what I would need for my particular setup, of which I only have the TV at the moment.

1) My TV is a Mits 65833 (ie: pre-2010 model). I upgraded its firmware a few weeks ago, but not sure what it did as far as 3D is concerned.

2) I've preordered the Panny 310.

3) Glasses... nothing decided, but these Monster glasses are the ones I would like and about which I have questions.

I don't have a convertor kit, or any dlp glasses, or an IR emitter, and I don't expect to get any of these, as I would like to "go" RF all the way.

Questions:

1) Do I HAVE to have an IR emitter to get the Monsters to work?

2) Can I forget the IR emitter, and just connect the RF transmitter directly to the VESA port on the back of my TV?

3) Because I can't turn the DLP flash off on this model, does this adversely affect the Monster experience?

And 4) Of less concern, but do these glasses resolve the rainbow issue that others glasses cannot? Is it even that big a deal? I see a slight rainbow effect if I move my eyes suddenly on just normal 2D watching, and it's not that big of a deal for me.

Thanks to you or anyone who might be able to answer some of my questions.

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Thanks for your reviews, comments etc. I'm still not clear on what I would need for my particular setup, of which I only have the TV at the moment.

1) My TV is a Mits 65833 (ie: pre-2010 model). I upgraded its firmware a few weeks ago, but not sure what it did as far as 3D is concerned.

2) I've preordered the Panny 310.

3) Glasses... nothing decided, but these Monster glasses are the ones I would like and about which I have questions.

I don't have a convertor kit, or any dlp glasses, or an IR emitter, and I don't expect to get any of these, as I would like to "go" RF all the way.

Questions:

1) Do I HAVE to have an IR emitter to get the Monsters to work?

2) Can I forget the IR emitter, and just connect the RF transmitter directly to the VESA port on the back of my TV?

3) Because I can't turn the DLP flash off on this model, does this adversely affect the Monster experience?

And 4) Of less concern, but do these glasses resolve the rainbow issue that others glasses cannot? Is it even that big a deal? I see a slight rainbow effect if I move my eyes suddenly on just normal 2D watching, and it's not that big of a deal for me.

Thanks to you or anyone who might be able to answer some of my questions.

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You need the 3D converter kit. Unless you want to be stuck with checkerboard only 3D from your Panny BD.

For your TV, I'd stick with DLP link 3D glasses. Because you cant turn off the DLP Link flash from your tv. And It will cause the blacks to look greenish/teal color with any IR or RF based 3D glasses...

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You need the 3D converter kit. Unless you want to be stuck with checkerboard only 3D from your Panny BD.

For your TV, I'd stick with DLP link 3D glasses. Because you cant turn off the DLP Link flash from your tv. And It will cause the blacks to look greenish/teal color with any IR or RF based 3D glasses...

OK I was afraid about the black-black issues even with the RF. DLP link glasses seem to have a host of their own issues, particularly with sync. I might just be left with the CE4's as my best option though, as I understand they handle all the issues extremely well, except the one issue of my wallet!

I'm one of the few people in the USA now probably who doesn't have cable, dish, etc... just a trusty 'ole rooftop antenna. As such I'm counting on the Panny 310 to convert to checkerboard for me... and maybe by the time I decide (if ever) to go beyond my antenna, I can just either get the converter, or buy a new TV. I'm a few years away from making the change though.

But, thanks for your reply. I couldn't find any information anywhere about RF and the dlp flash.

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Thanks for the responses guys, I'll let you know how things turn out for me when I get the kit late this week/early next week. I was able to get it at the last second on ebay for 162 shipped. The loss of sync with samsung IR glasses has been tolerable but annoying for 3D movies. However, the loss of sync in 3D games is absolutely terrible, it happens way more often and almost makes me want to play in 2D.
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I got mine yesterday. What source material are using to fine tune the duty cycle and delay? I did not hear buzzing on my unit (some had complained about that). Also if you have a blackberry charger with the newer smaller head, they charge the glasses really fast and don't need to use up a USB port.
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I got mine yesterday. What source material are using to fine tune the duty cycle and delay? I did not hear buzzing on my unit (some had complained about that). Also if you have a blackberry charger with the newer smaller head, they charge the glasses really fast and don't need to use up a USB port.

Use a 3D bluray menu screen. You will be able to align the layers into one layer for a sharp 3d effect. I tried to this on my TV (read above) but it is not working completely. I agree no buzzing on the glasses and they do fit quite comfortably.

on side note: I have the Ultraclears on the way for comparison.
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Use a 3D bluray menu screen. You will be able to align the layers into one layer for a sharp 3d effect. I tried to this on my TV (read above) but it is not working completely. I agree no buzzing on the glasses and they do fit quite comfortably.

on side note: I have the Ultraclears on the way for comparison.

Right now I only have Avatar, and I don't recall it having multiple layers int he menu, but I'll check again.
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Has anyone been able to change the polarity of the glasses? I tried following the manual's directions, but the LED's didn't light up the way they say it is suppose to.
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Has anyone been able to change the polarity of the glasses? I tried following the manual's directions, but the LED's didn't light up the way they say it is suppose to.

I did...while in fine tuning mode just hold down and let go of the button to switch between the two...you can also adjust this from the menu of most TVs


has anyone tried to upgrade the firmware? I've tried and nothing happens.
The manual speaks of a utility but looks like it doesn't exist or they want you to work hard on finding it. Unless it is suppose to pop up when you plug the device into the PC, which it hasn't...also bad move on not having Mac support for firmware upgrades
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has anyone tried to upgrade the firmware? I've tried and nothing happens.
The manual speaks of a utility but looks like it doesn't exist or they want you to work hard on finding it. Unless it is suppose to pop up when you plug the device into the PC, which it hasn't...also bad move on not having Mac support for firmware upgrades

I am quoting and answering myself...hehe

I called Monster and you guys havent upgraded because there is no firmware upgrade...Guy on the phone said no one has called to complain
yet about the glasses, I guess I am the only one in the united states
that A) either got a bad set/kit or B) is not satisfied with the 3D picture.

I just got my Ultraclear 3D glasses and after 5 minutes with them I give them thumbs up especially for the price. They go out of sync but not as bad as the Samsung glasses. Also, Samsung glasses break easy because there is no frame on the bottom, happened twice to me. The ultraclears work better and are sturdier---easy decision if you are in the market.

I can try to exchange my Monster kit for another kit but at this point my patience is exhausted, I am better off getting two more pairs of the ultraclears for the same money but then again I am the only 3D watcher in my house.

So just for the record---Is there anyone with a Samsung Plasma and the Monstervision glasses? Is the 3D very good? Did I get a bad kit? because for me the Ultraclear 3D glasses work much better than the Monsters
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As far as the fine tuning is concerned...I noticed that my plasma can be tuned in 3 places on the led grid...1 1/2 dots (slow), 3 dots (faster)and a full 5 dots (fastest).
I am thinking the 5 dots (the quickest) resloves the blurriness the best.
Also a full 5 yellow dots for me looks best on the duty setting



Update: I think I spoke too soon concerning these glasses...I can fine tune 2 out of the 3 depths the TV is displaying but somehow cannot resolve the ghosting on a 3rd layer of the 3D. I noticed it on the bluray menu...If I fine tune the image I notice the back ground stuff is out of sync, vice versa when fine tuning the background...I have to use 3D viewpoint to adjust the other aspect (-4) right. At this point all looks well then I notice the flat layers are ghosted including the tv menu when i pull it up.

I am not sure if I had this problem before and the fact that you can manipulate the ghosting maybe has made me notice it but as of now these glasses are not resolving all the 3D layers on my Samsung 8000 63" Plasma. Ive tried all the settings and unless someone can enlighten me these glasses are going back.

Are you saying witht he Ultraclears you are able to see all "3 layers" in focus without ghosting as noted above?
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I went through the manual. Good news--lots of manual tuning options. Bad news--way too complicated for the average user. My guess is if you are not a confident technical video nerd, these will get returned more often than not. Just an opinion from what I've seen with other 3D stuff that requires tuning and tweaking for maximum performance. (Disclaimer--I do not own or have used these glasses.)
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So, from what I have read you guys are saying I have to have an IR emitter to plug the RF emitter into, and you also recommend getting the 3DA1 adapter for Mitz DLP's, right? Is the 3DA1 needed on the newer 738/838 models or will I be OK with just the IR & RF emitters?
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Are you saying witht he Ultraclears you are able to see all "3 layers" in focus without ghosting as noted above?

Yes! The Ultraclears were much clearer! Like putting on glasses to drive and everthing is sharper, you are now able to read the signs on the road...but in all fairness I might have gotten a bad pair, I just dont have the patience to try another pair especially at that price point. The monsters are flawless when it comes to staying in sync, that is something I will miss...
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I have 3 sets and none keep a charge, the charging process only lasts 5 minutes or less so they're not getting charged obviously...

Is anyone else having the same issue ?
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I have 3 sets and none keep a charge, the charging process only lasts 5 minutes or less so they're not getting charged obviously...

Is anyone else having the same issue ?

You should return them for new pairs. That's almost $500 in glasses, they should be willing to take care of you on that.
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I have 3 sets and none keep a charge, the charging process only lasts 5 minutes or less so they're not getting charged obviously...

Is anyone else having the same issue ?

After you charge them for how long do they work after you turn them back on?
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You should return them for new pairs. That's almost $500 in glasses, they should be willing to take care of you on that.
Monster customer service is decent. The rep I talked to said that they would exchange the set if the dealer didnt want to.You will have no problem getting replacements...
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After you charge them for how long do they work after you turn them back on?

I'm lucky to even get through one 2 hour movie. It's just not usable. What I don't get is how can 3 different pairs show the same exact problem ?

Let me ask you guys a question : when you charge the glasses, typically how long approximately does the LED blink for until it turns of, indicating that they're fully charged ?

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I thought I'd contribute my experience to this thread...

In short: I love Monster Vision Max 3D glasses, They're everything I hoped for

I have a Samsung 50C8000 and 7 pairs of Samsung 3D glasses. All of them lose sync, even with the tape trick. I may try calling samsung to have them replaced with newer glasses as supposedly they have gotten better with the later serial numbers.

All I wanted out of the Monster glasses were for them to not go out of sync and I'm happy to report, they haven't lost sync even for a single second out of the 10 hours I've used them so far. Previously, I had severe loss of sync problems with games such as Call of Duty Black Ops and especially Top Spin 4. No longer is that the case! I have not fine tuned the image at all, everything seemed fine right out of the box. As for 3 layers, I'm confused by that. The 3D effect looks the same on the Monster glasses as the Samsung glasses. I think the colors and brightness look better on the Monster glasses since they are clear as opposed to being tinted on the Samsung glasses.

If I use the warranty to get the Samsung glasses replaced and they still lose sync, I may consider buying extra Monster glasses. They are perfect imo. The other option is to just let the guests deal with occasional sync problems lol. I'll keep my perfectly working glasses to myself.
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I'm lucky to even get through one 2 hour movie. It's just not usable. What I don't get is how can 3 different pairs show the same exact problem ?

Let me ask you guys a question : when you charge the glasses, typically how long approximately does the LED blink for until it turns of, indicating that they're fully charged ?

I've used mine for almost 5 hours on one charge no problem and still going. I didn't charge mine by USB though. I used a blackberry charger and it fully charged in about 30-45 minutes.
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Anybody know if monstervision work with samsung pn42b450 plasma? This 3D ready model does have a vesa port but no built in IR emitters or dlp links.

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