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R10KYJ - Are the X104s IR, DLP-Link, or RF?
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R10KYJ - Are the X104s IR, DLP-Link, or RF?

Currently IR only, but they will be releasing an add on module later in the year to activate rf & bt.
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They do exist, the first batch were received by UK dealers on Weds, and have started shipping, so am sure they will appear in the US soon

Can you give us some impressions about the glasses, are they any good? How does the 'tweak' app work? I have big problems with crosstalk, you think it will reduce that issue?
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I don't guess the "tweak app" is out yet, as I do not find it on the Appstore...
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For those who would not have seen my post on the Sony VW90ES owners thread:

Guys, finally, after a shipping delay, Fedex delivered my Xpand Youniversals today, right on time for me to review them tonight and over the weekend. Fingers crossed here for an significant performance improvement over the X103s and as stated already by a couple of others in the UK, the Sony's. I also note the Youniversals are now shipping online in the US from online stores according to a poster on the Xpand support forum, within the actual thread complaining about the lack of the app. Very poor form on Xpands part regarding no app, esp after such a delayed product launch. I really hope I don't regret being the guinea pig here and wish I'd have long since instead purchased some MV3D's! Guess tonight's testing will be a start. Anyway, here's the product packaging:


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Awesome, can't wait to hear about them.

The main things I want to know is whether they block out less light when they're on, and whether they reduce crosstalk.

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I ordered a pair from Projector People last weekend for $79 shipped. There was a $25 discount for blackfriday.
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Awesome, can't wait to hear about them.

The main things I want to know is whether they block out less light when they're on, and whether they reduce crosstalk.

Compared to Sony TDG-PG1's, they def block less light. Of course any system using LCD shutters is going to be prone to some light blocking. Cross talk reduction is as good as anything else I've seen and as expected superior to the X103's. With the absence of the much talked about app, it's hard to say what else can be achieved with fine tuning of them

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I ordered a pair from Projector People last weekend for $79 shipped. There was a $25 discount for blackfriday.

That's a great price. I knew that I was paying significant premium for early availability from the UK. Mine were 89 pounds each before cost of fedex.


Rather than repost here's my initial impressions on them from weekend view with my VW95:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...9#post21288959
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...2#post21293342

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Guys just to add to what has been a much delayed and poorly supplied product roll-out, another disappointing(but hardly surprising) update from the Xpand 3D forums re the X104 tweaking apps. The tech support department finally got off their butts and responded to the complaints re lack of any app form of the much promoted 'multi-platform' tweaking app being available. Sure enough there response was to say it will be between end of Dec and 'the first month of Jan'. Quite pathetic after the products been launched for a month in markets like the UK! Here's the exact quote and my rather blunt response:

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Thank you for your interest with our XpanD product. In regards to the PC application the link that we have for the x104 youniversal 3d software application should be live around last month of this December or first month of January in this link http://www.xpand.me/products/y.... Please always check our website to keep up with updates that we have for you..

Should you need further assistance kindly give us a call
at 1.888.906.1190 or email us again.

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Are the x104's RF compatible? For that to happen to they have to release an RF module?

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Guys just to add to what has been a much delayed and poorly supplied product roll-out, another disappointing(but hardly surprising) update from the Xpand 3D forums re the X104 tweaking apps. The tech support department finally got off their butts and responded to the complaints re lack of any app form of the much promoted 'multi-platform' tweaking app being available. Sure enough there response was to say it will be between end of Dec and 'the first month of Jan'. Quite pathetic after the products been launched for a month in markets like the UK! Here's the exact quote and my rather blunt response:

Lame. Not even considering them until the app is out.

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They feel and work great on my Sony ex723.
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Are the x104's RF compatible? For that to happen to they have to release an RF module?

I believe the idea is not to have a separate emitter like the MV3Ds, but to potentially work with systems that are already RF enable, same as the BT integration in them. I could be mistaken though...

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I believe the idea is not to have a separate emitter like the MV3Ds, but to potentially work with systems that are already RF enable, same as the BT integration in them. I could be mistaken though...

Ugh, so my Sony HW30 wouldn't be able to use RF with these glasses. Although if you could pair them to an RF signal you may be able to use the MV3D emitter in conjunction with the X104s?

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Ugh, so my Sony HW30 wouldn't be able to use RF with these glasses. Although if you could pair them to an RF signal you may be able to use the MV3D emitter in conjunction with the X104s?

Prob best to try to ask on the Xpand Support forums as to whether they will be making an RF emitter. I would say if they are designed work with exist RF systems, then yes I would think they prob could be made to work with the MV3D emitter.

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And what happened to DLP-Link capability, as XpanD originally claimed?

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I wonder if they will do DLP link.
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Oh, yes they will.
http://www.xpandcinema.com/news/67/

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Available in black, gray and red in male and female sizes, the new YOUNIVERSAL high-end glasses will begin shipping in April 2011 and will communicate with Infrared (IR), Bluetooth (BT), Radio Frequency (RF) and DLP-Link. The smart phone app will initially be available for Apple iPhone™ and Google Android™ platforms.

It sounds like they just renamed the X104 to YOUniversal.
Time to start saving pennies.

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YOUNIVERSAL high-end glasses will begin shipping in April 2011 and will communicate with Infrared (IR), Bluetooth (BT), Radio Frequency (RF) and DLP-Link.

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Looking over the Spec sheet tells me these glasses are primarily IR glasses, but you can buy extension modules (I have no idea what this means) to make the DLP Link and RF.

In other words, yes, they are DLP Link, after you buy an additional accessory.


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And what happened to DLP-Link capability, as XpanD originally claimed?

I'm not sure how DLP link works, but the glasses claim to work on most IR based displays, including DLP 3D. There are a dozen modes to choose from, including Mitsubishi, but it can choose the correct one automatically if 3D is running and you press and hold the button twice. You won't get anything but IR unless you add a module to the end of the earpiece (you can see it in the picture - but it is not available yet), for RF and Bluetooth, an additional cost and won't be here for maybe a couple of months, like the software. Plus, without Bluetooth the software app for adjusting timings won't work unless wired to a computer while watching 3D.

Pros: They do sync just as well as the Panny 3D3's, have the same range (very good) and show identical ghosting if there is any, so they are just as fast and sensitive but yet have more field of view.

Cons: The glasses are slightly dimmer than the Panny 3D3's and they are heavy and pinch behind the ears (large size).
You have to re-sync the glasses every time you use them. The manual says they remember but they don't.
The on/off button is right where you hold the glasses, so you can accidentally turn it off very easily.
The most annoying thing that broke the deal for me is that they reflect light from the rear of the room at the sides, which is distracting. This is in a dark room and the reflectons are from objects in the rear of the room that reflect light from the movie itself. No way to prevent this. It's because the sides of the glasses are not wide enough to block it out. Prescription glasses make it worse.

Sorry I got carried away.


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Anyone have any ideas when the 104 glasses will be more widely available in the USA? I notice that Amazon.com doesn't even have a listing for them.
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Anyone have any ideas when the 104 glasses will be more widely available in the USA? I notice that Amazon.com doesn't even have a listing for them.

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I'm not sure how DLP link works...[snip]

http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=DLP-Link



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Thanks to DLP Link, a special synchronization system built into 3D Ready DLP projectors, the glasses link to the projector without any special emitters or 3rd party transmission devices.

Because the DLP imaging chip is so fast...the DLP chip also sends additional data to the glasses in-between each frame of video.

...This ingenious transmission technique makes data emitters obsolete and eliminates the need to install and position emitters.

http://www.dlp.com/projector/dlp-inn.../dlp-link.aspx

XpanD claimed DLP-Link™ capability for these glasses over a year ago.

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http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=DLP-Link

http://www.dlp.com/projector/dlp-inn.../dlp-link.aspx

XpanD claimed DLP-Link(TM) capability for these glasses over a year ago.

Interesting, so it gets the signal from the screen itself. I assumed DLP link used IR. I wouldn't be surprised if it was false advertising.
I like that first link where it takes you through Google. Pretty cool!
Edit: found the lmgtfy app.


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These glasses will not work with DLP link according to Xpand.

http://www.xpand.me/support/forum/pr...d-eyewear/110/
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Has anyone ordered these yet? If you go to Xpands website, click shop, they are the first item that comes up. Available in large size,in blue, and they are listed for $119. I have been waiting for these to come out. Just wanted to see how these are compared to the 103's?
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Has anyone ordered these yet? If you go to Xpands website, click shop, they are the first item that comes up. Available in large size,in blue, and they are listed for $119. I have been waiting for these to come out. Just wanted to see how these are compared to the 103's?

Took them long enough! I've hade mine from a UK dealer since 4th Dec and they were available through a few outlets since mid November. If you could take a second and just scroll up this page you'll see the direct links to my initial impressions in the Sony VW95 thread and comparisons to the X103s and current Sony models.

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They got them first over in England, so there are some reviews over on the avforums UK site.

I'm holding off until I can see the tweak app is out and I can read the manual. Tunable glasses you cannot tune aren't very interesting.
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Just got an e-mail back from them,and they are available now. You can get them right from Xpands website or here

http://www.projectorpeople.com/acces...=creviews#tabs
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Just got an e-mail back from them,and they are available now. You can get them right from Xpands website or here

http://www.projectorpeople.com/acces...=creviews#tabs

Seriously you need to read this page of this thread a bit more closely. The fact that the projector people had them in stock was established by CareyP back on the 18th Dec.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...5#post21361265

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These glasses will not work with DLP link according to Xpand.

http://www.xpand.me/support/forum/pr...d-eyewear/110/

Exactly my point.

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Any update on the availability of the tuning app? I'm willing to suffer a little more brightness loss and/or flicker to reduce crosstalk...but I'm still waiting to see it I actually works.

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