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I would love to hear what others think. Be sure to update the firmware as soon as you get the glasses. I would suggest the VIP firmware since it is even a later version than the Monster posted version. It is on the Curt Palme website.

http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/viewt...db24726fc0662c

The MV3D glasses arrived and I updated the firmware with the latest one on Monster's website. I watched Monsters vs. Aliens 3D (I know, not the greatest 3D movie, but I hadn't seen it in 3D yet) with my girlfriend and we kept swapping glasses every 20 minutes or so.

My girlfriend said she barely noticed any difference at all and had no preference on either.

I noticed differences, but agree that they are very similar...and both are LIGHT YEARS better then the other brands we've tried in the past. Here's what I noticed:

- The MV3D glasses seemed a tiny bit more comfortable than the X104's. Not night and day different, but you notice them slightly less than the X104's (I don't normally wear glasses, so wearing 3D glasses is always a pain).

- The MV3D glasses hummed loudly. It was coming from the circuit board that's under the power button. During loud scenes, you can't hear it, but it's REALLY annoying in quiet scenes. The X104's are completely silent.

- The MV3D's seemed brighter than the X104's. It was barely perceptible and is subjective, but they did seem a bit brighter.

- Crosstalk was a bit more noticeable (and there's a TON of it in Monsters vs. Aliens) in the MV3D than it was in the X104's. This could simply be a result of them being brighter and making it more noticeable.

- I think a main source of crosstalk is my TV and not the glasses. I have a Panasonic GT25 plasma, which is a 1st gen 3DTV. I had an opportunity to speak to some Panasonic tech's earlier this week at a conference in NYC and they told me something I found extremely interesting: Their 1st and 2nd gen 3DTV's write pixels by starting with them fully lit and then dimming them to the proper setting (this happens hundreds of times per second). Their new 3rd gen 3DTV's start with the pixels off and raise them to the necessary setting. The tech thinks this method will reduce 90% of crosstalk...but of course that means I'm screwed, because I'm not getting a new TV until OLED comes down in price.

So, are the MV3D's expected to make a loud humming? Maybe mine are just defective. If so, I'll gladly exchange them another pair and be happy. If that humming is "normal", I'll have to return them...it's just too annoying.

Any thoughts, questions or comments?
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The MV3D glasses arrived and I updated the firmware with the latest one on Monster's website. I watched Monsters vs. Aliens 3D (I know, not the greatest 3D movie, but I hadn't seen it in 3D yet) with my girlfriend and we kept swapping glasses every 20 minutes or so.

My girlfriend said she barely noticed any difference at all and had no preference on either.

I noticed differences, but agree that they are very similar...and both are LIGHT YEARS better then the other brands we've tried in the past. Here's what I noticed:

- The MV3D glasses seemed a tiny bit more comfortable than the X104's. Not night and day different, but you notice them slightly less than the X104's (I don't normally wear glasses, so wearing 3D glasses is always a pain).

- The MV3D glasses hummed loudly. It was coming from the circuit board that's under the power button. During loud scenes, you can't hear it, but it's REALLY annoying in quiet scenes. The X104's are completely silent.

- The MV3D's seemed brighter than the X104's. It was barely perceptible and is subjective, but they did seem a bit brighter.

- Crosstalk was a bit more noticeable (and there's a TON of it in Monsters vs. Aliens) in the MV3D than it was in the X104's. This could simply be a result of them being brighter and making it more noticeable.

- I think a main source of crosstalk is my TV and not the glasses. I have a Panasonic GT25 plasma, which is a 1st gen 3DTV. I had an opportunity to speak to some Panasonic tech's earlier this week at a conference in NYC and they told me something I found extremely interesting: Their 1st and 2nd gen 3DTV's write pixels by starting with them fully lit and then dimming them to the proper setting (this happens hundreds of times per second). Their new 3rd gen 3DTV's start with the pixels off and raise them to the necessary setting. The tech thinks this method will reduce 90% of crosstalk...but of course that means I'm screwed, because I'm not getting a new TV until OLED comes down in price.

So, are the MV3D's expected to make a loud humming? Maybe mine are just defective. If so, I'll gladly exchange them another pair and be happy. If that humming is "normal", I'll have to return them...it's just too annoying.

Any thoughts, questions or comments?

I have two pairs of Monster glasses. There is no humming in either pair.

The transmitter I use in my living room with my Samsung defaults to a setting that is way to bright. The crosstalk was very evident. I reduced the duty to 60 and reduced the delay from 11750 to 9750. these settings reduced crosstalk almost completely on a 2010 lcd display.

In the bedroom I have the Playstation 3d display. The Monster default settings seemed to work best.
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I have two pairs of Monster glasses. There is no humming in either pair.

The transmitter I use in my living room with my Samsung defaults to a setting that is way to bright. The crosstalk was very evident. I reduced the duty to 60 and reduced the delay from 11750 to 9750. these settings reduced crosstalk almost completely on a 2010 lcd display.

In the bedroom I have the Playstation 3d display. The Monster default settings seemed to work best.

I have several pairs to the MV glasses with no humming sound. As far as I know you are the first to mention this issue. They could be defective.
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The transmitter I use in my living room with my Samsung defaults to a setting that is way to bright. The crosstalk was very evident. I reduced the duty to 60 and reduced the delay from 11750 to 9750. these settings reduced crosstalk almost completely on a 2010 lcd display.

I'll try your recommended delay settings. Thanks for letting me know.


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I have several pairs to the MV glasses with no humming sound. As far as I know you are the first to mention this issue. They could be defective.

I'll contact the place I bought it from and see if I can get them exchanged. I'll let you know if the new ones hum.
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Thanks for your replies!

I'll try your recommended delay settings. Thanks for letting me know.

I'll contact the place I bought it from and see if I can get them exchanged. I'll let you know if the new ones hum.

I can add, as a new owner of the monsters, mine don't hum. I'd have noticed this when comparing with X104s.

I am def going to try that new firmware from the curt palme site link. Interested to know what changes they made.

I also ordered some more MVs, 3 pairs.

EDIT: I don't think I'm that excited about the VIP3D firmware update. Seems its job is to make changing the polarity easier. I have no need for that function with my setup.
Rob, also worth adding as per my review, any crosstalk issue you come across when using either glasses is def display related. On a large reference image as per my Sony proj, there is no technical performance difference with image quality between the two brands. A lot of people speculate as to whether they can tune the crosstalk down via the glasses, however its def a harder prospect than correcting the issue at the display level itself. Therefore, the main diff that give the MV3Ds the edge is the colour neutrality, due to the yellowish tint still found in the Xpands. As you mentioned brightness very diff to perceive, even to the point some may be mislead by the 'warmer' yellowish tint making them think the X104's appear slightly brighter. However, in reality, in the smallest degree, the MV3Ds are ever so slightly brighter.

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So, are the MV3D's expected to make a loud humming? Maybe mine are just defective. If so, I'll gladly exchange them another pair and be happy. If that humming is "normal", I'll have to return them...it's just too annoying.

My MV3Ds hum and many people have mentioned this about them. Apparently there are pairs out there that don't, though.
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XPAND finally got around to answering. There's both a manual override and some sort of auto-detect for the Sony IR protocol as well.

http://www.xpand.me/support/forum/pr...d-eyewear/157/

...so now there's a compelling reason to prefer the X104s for PS3 gamers, who do couch coop, unless the BitCauldron folks respond with a firmware update.

(I love it when the answer is "yes." So refreshing.)

(edit to add: yes, I tried it, and it works, minus the EDID hack needed. The glasses turn off and resync every tie you switch modes so a little patience is required.)
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XPAND finally got around to answering. There's both a manual override and some sort of auto-detect for the Sony IR protocol as well.

http://www.xpand.me/support/forum/pr...d-eyewear/157/

...so now there's a compelling reason to prefer the X104s for PS3 gamers, who do couch coop, unless the BitCauldron folks respond with a firmware update.

(I love it when the answer is "yes." So refreshing.)

(edit to add: yes, I tried it, and it works, minus the EDID hack needed. The glasses turn off and resync every tie you switch modes so a little patience is required.)

Sorry what does this do with ps3 3D games? I'm not exactly following. Is it something to do with dual screen games or something? It doesn't look like it has any impact on the single player games I play in 3D with either brand of glasses with no issues. I was just enjoying another couple of levels of drakes deception 3D this afternoon with the MV3Ds. .

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Sorry what does this do with ps3 3D games? I'm not exactly following. Is it something to do with dual screen games or something? It doesn't look like it has any impact on the single player games I play in 3D with either brand of glasses with no issues. I was just enjoying another couple of levels of drakes deception 3D this afternoon with the MV3Ds. .

Yes, it's for dual screen games. Instead of two images of the same scene going to each eye for 3D, two separate (2D) images are sent, one to each player's set of glasses. No more split screen and/or accidental screen cheating. Each player sees his own in-game point of view full screen. Games can be retrofitted with a downloadable patch much easier than converting them to 3d.

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Yes, it's for dual screen games. Instead of two images of the same scene going to each eye for 3D, two separate (2D) images are sent, one to each player's set of glasses. No more split screen and/or accidental screen cheating. Each player sees his own in-game point of view full screen. Games can be retrofitted with a downloadable patch much easier than converting them to 3d.

Ok then yep got it. I'll pass, I play the singleplayer 3D stuff by myself. Mates that come around aren't particularly interested in playing PS3, let alone in 3D. Interesting I guess for those affected by the issue.

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How will the dual screen support work with an Xbox S? Or will it never work?
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The PS3 is the only console explicitly supporting dual view at the moment. However, since you can force the glasses into dual-view mode, then if you can also force your set into side-by-side or top-to-bottom mode, you can get almost the same effect. The problem there is the aspect ratio gets stretched out.

What Microsoft plans to do in the 3D space in the future might be interesting to know.

(Note there is another use for this feature other than gaming -- for people who get headaches from 3D, they can turn to this mode to watch in 2D while the rest of the people in the room are watching in 3D.)
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So are the mv3d glasses the best bang for the buck??
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So are the mv3d glasses the best bang for the buck??

I have both the Xpand 104's and the MV 3d glasses. If they MV glasses will work with your equipment they are a great buy at this time. Check out Amazon. Much less than the Xpands and they work with RF rather than IR. They are also more comfortable in my opinion.
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I have both the Xpand 104's and the MV 3d glasses. If they MV glasses will work with your equipment they are a great buy at this time. Check out Amazon. Much less than the Xpands and they work with RF rather than IR. They are also more comfortable in my opinion.

Ok great I think ill get two and try them out. Do you have a link? I thought I saw them for $59 , but now there like $72
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does x104 3d glasses work with HD33? if so, which frequency work? RF or IR?

Terribly sorry if this has been answered - but I don't think I've seen a response to this. Will the 104s work with bitcauldron/MV3D/Optoma's RF frequency, or do you need the 104 RF emitter?
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Terribly sorry if this has been answered - but I don't think I've seen a response to this. Will the 104s work with bitcauldron/MV3D/Optoma's RF frequency, or do you need the 104 RF emitter?

Nobody knows that yet, as the required RF glasses transmitter attachment is style in true Xpand style, is still vapourware. So if and when it gets released, I'd say it probably will. That's if it's been designed to work with 'existing' 3D RF systems.

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Terribly sorry if this has been answered - but I don't think I've seen a response to this. Will the 104s work with bitcauldron/MV3D/Optoma's RF frequency, or do you need the 104 RF emitter?

I suspect that the RF dongle will not be compatible with the Bitcauldron system simply because Xpand is a major player in the "Full HD 3D Glasses" initiative and the RF part of that is based on Bluetooh. The Bitcauldron solutions is not Bluetooth.

http://www.fullhd3dglasses.com/

I could be wrong but the Bitcauldron RF is based on Zigbee not Bluetooth.
http://www.bitcauldron.com/index.php...d=98&Itemid=66
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The PS3 is the only console explicitly supporting dual view at the moment. However, since you can force the glasses into dual-view mode, then if you can also force your set into side-by-side or top-to-bottom mode, you can get almost the same effect. The problem there is the aspect ratio gets stretched out.

What Microsoft plans to do in the 3D space in the future might be interesting to know.

(Note there is another use for this feature other than gaming -- for people who get headaches from 3D, they can turn to this mode to watch in 2D while the rest of the people in the room are watching in 3D.)

I tried to do this by converting my projector to 3D side-by-side, while playing Call of Duty MW3 on my Xbox. I double-tapped the power button, and... Nothing happened. The glasses did turn off and then back on, but other than that, the same split screen picture was shown. I also tried with top-to-bottom and still nothing happened.
Am I doing something wrong, or... I'm not quite sure what the other option I could give is.
Thanks

EDIT: Also I updated all of my glasses to the latest firmware right after I unpacked them. (I think it was 2.01 or something. Either way, it's the latest firmware.
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If you were seeing a "split screen", your set wasn't in 3D mode. You have to go side-by-side and then force your set into 3D side-by-side mode, so that with the naked eye you see the mixed image. Also, getting the "double click" timing right can be a bit tricky. You can't click too fast or too slow or hold the button too long.
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Amazon finally has the White/Large and Red/Small glasses in stock...literally almost five months after they were supposed to be available and at least four months after the UK dealers had them in stock. I ordered one of each and I'll post my results with them after they arrive. Hopefully there won't be any difference between those and the two pairs of Blue/Large I already own.

As much as I thought the MonsterVision glasses were comfortable, the buzzing was just too annoying for me to deal with. I know how bad Xpand's support has been, but the X104's are still the best glasses I've tried. Ever since the firmware update was released, I haven't had a single problem with them and they're still much better than all other pairs I've tried (except the MV's, they were about equal).

At the very least, it's nice to not have to deal with Projector People again and to just use Amazon.
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I had the large blue model from Amazon briefly but they would not stay synced to my Mitsubishi WD-92840. This surprised me very much as I use and love my Mitsubishi branded Xpand X103's. Really liked every thing else about the X104's. The PC software and firmware update didn't help the syncing issue for me.
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Amazon finally has the White/Large and Red/Small glasses in stock...literally almost five months after they were supposed to be available and at least four months after the UK dealers had them in stock. I ordered one of each and I'll post my results with them after they arrive. Hopefully there won't be any difference between those and the two pairs of Blue/Large I already own.

As much as I thought the MonsterVision glasses were comfortable, the buzzing was just too annoying for me to deal with. I know how bad Xpand's support has been, but the X104's are still the best glasses I've tried. Ever since the firmware update was released, I haven't had a single problem with them and they're still much better than all other pairs I've tried (except the MV's, they were about equal).

At the very least, it's nice to not have to deal with Projector People again and to just use Amazon.

Rob I've heard you comment on the buzzing before. As a noted very recent adopter of the MonsterVisions, after having had 3 pairs of blue normal size X104's since early Dec, I def cannot report either the 1 MonsterVision pair or the 2 Optoma branded pairs have any sort of buzzing happening. This would be something I'd have noticed after being a solid Xpand 103 and 104 user for a year. Nor have I heard this from any of the other users. How many MV3D's have you tried?

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Rob I've heard you comment on the buzzing before. As a noted very recent adopter of the MonsterVisions, after having had 3 pairs of blue normal size X104's since early Dec, I def cannot report either the 1 MonsterVision pair or the 2 Optoma branded pairs have any sort of buzzing happening. This would be something I'd have noticed after being a solid Xpand 103 and 104 user for a year. Nor have I heard this from any of the other users. How many MV3D's have you tried?

Only one pair, but people in this thread, as well as people on other forums...and even the vendor I got them from confirmed that some of them hum. If I could somehow guarantee I got a pair that didn't hum, I'd totally keep them. Even if that was possible, I wouldn't sell the x104's I already own, I'd just keep them all. They're too close in quality to definitive say one of them is better or worse.

That statement is (of course) only relevant to my TV / blu-ray player combo, as different people may have different results based on their setup. For the record, I'm using a calibrated Panasonic GT25 plasma and an Oppo BDP-93 blu-ray player.
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Only one pair, but people in this thread, as well as people on other forums...and even the vendor I got them from confirmed that some of them hum. If I could somehow guarantee I got a pair that didn't hum, I'd totally keep them. Even if that was possible, I wouldn't sell the x104's I already own, I'd just keep them all. They're too close in quality to definitive say one of them is better or worse.

That statement is (of course) only relevant to my TV / blu-ray player combo, as different people may have different results based on their setup. For the record, I'm using a calibrated Panasonic GT25 plasma and an Oppo BDP-93 blu-ray player.

I still find it odd, especially given so many of the existing long time proponents of the MV3D's, who finally swayed me to them after the X104's, have never noted the hum. I'm talking about serious user reviewers like Joerod. I stood up for the Xpand products for a long time till I the X104's came out. I do feel the colour accuracy nod goes very slightly to the MV3D's. It's prob only going to really be noticed on a proj screen setup like mine though. Given the cost in the scheme of things, I just pass my older glasses down the chain into other 3D use or spares. I've got enough misc pairs now to prob bin my original Sony's that came with the HX-800 and VW90! I share the same bluray as your setup with the Oppo 93. All I can add is that I haven't had time or cause yet to try out the MV3D's with either HX-800 I own to see if perhaps the type of display plays a part in the hum issue you and others are experiencing.

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I'm considering trying the MV3D's as the X104's didn't work out for me.

Can you place the IR receiver > RF transmitter in the back of the room as long as it receives a good line-of-sight signal from the HDTV's IR transmitter?

Also and more importantly, will the MV3D's work with the 840 series of Mitsubishi HDTV's?

I just want a pair of rechargeable glasses for myself separate from all the others I have and give out to guests.
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I'm considering trying the MV3D's as the X104's didn't work out for me.

Can you place the IR receiver > RF transmitter in the back of the room as long as it receives a good line-of-sight signal from the HDTV's IR transmitter?

Also and more importantly, will the MV3D's work with the 840 series of Mitsubishi HDTV's?

I just want a pair of rechargeable glasses for myself separate from all the others I have and give out to guests.

According the the glasses owner's guide, http://www.monsterproducts.com/lit/Max_3D_manual.pdf the MV glasses transmitter will connnect directly to the back of your TV into the VESA 3D Glasses emitter jack found on all Mitsubishi 3D TVs. Your TV has a USB port for accessory power that can be used to power the transmitter. You do not need to use the IR receiver part of the system - this is for TVs that do not the VESA port. Futhermore, since the MV system is RF, you can still use the TV's internal IR emitter for other glasses - this IR and RF will not interfer with each other. You just cannot use two different IR systems at the same time.
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The MV3D glasses arrived and I updated the firmware with the latest one on Monster's website. I watched Monsters vs. Aliens 3D (I know, not the greatest 3D movie, but I hadn't seen it in 3D yet) with my girlfriend and we kept swapping glasses every 20 minutes or so.

My girlfriend said she barely noticed any difference at all and had no preference on either.

I noticed differences, but agree that they are very similar...and both are LIGHT YEARS better then the other brands we've tried in the past. Here's what I noticed:

- The MV3D glasses seemed a tiny bit more comfortable than the X104's. Not night and day different, but you notice them slightly less than the X104's (I don't normally wear glasses, so wearing 3D glasses is always a pain).

- The MV3D glasses hummed loudly. It was coming from the circuit board that's under the power button. During loud scenes, you can't hear it, but it's REALLY annoying in quiet scenes. The X104's are completely silent.

- The MV3D's seemed brighter than the X104's. It was barely perceptible and is subjective, but they did seem a bit brighter.

- Crosstalk was a bit more noticeable (and there's a TON of it in Monsters vs. Aliens) in the MV3D than it was in the X104's. This could simply be a result of them being brighter and making it more noticeable.

- I think a main source of crosstalk is my TV and not the glasses. I have a Panasonic GT25 plasma, which is a 1st gen 3DTV. I had an opportunity to speak to some Panasonic tech's earlier this week at a conference in NYC and they told me something I found extremely interesting: Their 1st and 2nd gen 3DTV's write pixels by starting with them fully lit and then dimming them to the proper setting (this happens hundreds of times per second). Their new 3rd gen 3DTV's start with the pixels off and raise them to the necessary setting. The tech thinks this method will reduce 90% of crosstalk...but of course that means I'm screwed, because I'm not getting a new TV until OLED comes down in price.

So, are the MV3D's expected to make a loud humming? Maybe mine are just defective. If so, I'll gladly exchange them another pair and be happy. If that humming is "normal", I'll have to return them...it's just too annoying.

Any thoughts, questions or comments?

My glasses hummed/buzzed loudly. I had to return them. My wife didn't notice the sound. Maybe only certain people can hear the pitch.
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According the the glasses owner's guide, http://www.monsterproducts.com/lit/Max_3D_manual.pdf the MV glasses transmitter will connnect directly to the back of your TV into the VESA 3D Glasses emitter jack found on all Mitsubishi 3D TVs. Your TV has a USB port for accessory power that can be used to power the transmitter. You do not need to use the IR receiver part of the system - this is for TVs that do not the VESA port. Futhermore, since the MV system is RF, you can still use the TV's internal IR emitter for other glasses - this IR and RF will not interfer with each other. You just cannot use two different IR systems at the same time.

I want to keep using my X103's at the same time which are IR.

Just making sure of the range and compatibility.

P.S. Sorry forgot to mention I'm using an Xpand transmitter and not the sets internal one.
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I want to keep using my X103's at the same time which are IR.

Just making sure of the range and compatibility.

P.S. Sorry forgot to mention I'm using an Xpand transmitter and not the sets internal one.

Well that could then be a problem. If you need to use the IR-to-RF converter, you can put the converter right in front of the Xpand emitter. The RF transmitter adjacent and that would work as long as you have a source of power for the RF transmitter.

Is there a problem with the internal emitter for the Mitsubishi? It is supposed to work with the normal Xpand 103 if you set the Xpand 103s to the Panasonic setting. That is the portocol Mitsubishi switched to when they built the emitter in.
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