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Thanks a lot Chez.

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Great video demonstration - it also give an indication of the large light drop when the glasses go on. The screen is important! A high lumen projector is crucial. I really want to try this with my Epson 9500.
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Great video demonstration - it also give an indication of the large light drop when the glasses go on. The screen is important! A high lumen projector is crucial. I really want to try this with my Epson 9500.

Good point... I have an Optoma hd70 displaying 80" diagonal, it's pretty bright, but still...

(Also, nearing the end of my current bulb!)
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Thanks Chez.

This video is incredibly informative and points out exactly what I was expecting of the product.

What is your take on the drop in brightness? I feel the video is probably not representative of what you are seeing in person.

Great job!!!!
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Thanks for the vid Chez! Looks like a great product. Makes me want it even more now lol. I just can't afford $600+ right now
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Thanks for the vid Chez! Looks like a great product. Makes me want it even more now lol. I just can't afford $600+ right now

Neither could I!
Don't tell the wife...
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Although it does say shutter glasses are only 16% efficient.

So who's "nuts" now? 84% = fact, "60%" = made up/nuts lol

Page 9 of this link will tell you the same:

http://www.barco.com/projection_syst...copic_proj.pdf
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This is one of the most EPIC devices I have seen! I am getting the Gamer one for my 120hz desktop monitor and the Theatre mode for my Mitsu 65" DLP 60hz TV.

Definately a hole in the wallet BUT I was going to buy a 65 or 73" 3D TV anyway, and this is MUCH cheaper. This product will be huge and if it does live up to these reviews, should be sold in tons of Mom and Pop shops

This just goes to show the world we live in. Current technology TV's are already compatible with 3D but instead we have to keep buying new TV's every 3 years for new technology.
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Neg on Gamer, apparently it's for DLP's ONLY. The other two higher ones I will be picking up though.
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Thanks Chez.

This video is incredibly informative and points out exactly what I was expecting of the product.

What is your take on the drop in brightness? I feel the video is probably not representative of what you are seeing in person.

Great job!!!!

First off thanks to all off you!

Heres my take on the brightness, you are correct the video does make the drop in brightness seem way more than it actually is, and I mean WAY MORE.
I knew better than to try to shoot thru the glasses but, oh well.

Now of course there is a drop in brightness, is it more extreme than my 3D TV yes, but no so extreme that colors are lost and the picture isn't at least enjoyable.

As I said in my original review do I wish I had 500 more lumens? Sure I do, am I glad I didn't have to buy a new projector, and screen just for 3D?..........

HELL YES I'm glad!

Hope that covers it, and thanks to all of you again.

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On other forums, many solved their brightness problems with 2D with the purchase of a Dalite High Power screen. Although it's retroreflective (and will cost more money), it still almost doubles the gain for most projectors giving any screen size. There are always tradeoffs, and workarounds, they just cost money...:
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So who's "nuts" now? 84% = fact, "60%" = made up/nuts lol

Page 9 of this link will tell you the same:

http://www.barco.com/projection_syst...copic_proj.pdf

LOL. Yeah it looks like a real value. Must be why some people are complaning about the new JVC brightness levels.

Based on calculations to get the goal of about 4.5 ftL you need a projector setup that will give you over 30ftL in 2D to have an enjoyable picture in 3D.

If you get an ND8 filter and look through it its about the same lumen drop. So you lose around 3 F stops. This is actually a little more loss than with the glasses.
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On other forums, many solved their brightness problems with 2D with the purchase of a Dalite High Power screen. Although it's retroreflective (and will cost more money), it still almost doubles the gain for most projectors giving any screen size. There are always tradeoffs, and workarounds, they just cost money...:

Silverstar would be even better!
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Okay, I got an email from Jonathan saying Consignias batch would be shiipped out this week.
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Okay, I got an email from Jonathan saying Consignias batch would be shiipped out this week.

Awesome Jad..


Have you watched the YouTube video of the 3D-VIP Theatre using 60hz projector?

http://www.youtube.com/user/Chezbrgr.../0/8hk9bQhcwr0
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First off thanks to all off you!

Heres my take on the brightness, you are correct the video does make the drop in brightness seem way more than it actually is, and I mean WAY MORE.
I knew better than to try to shoot thru the glasses but, oh well.

Now of course there is a drop in brightness, is it more extreme than my 3D TV yes, but no so extreme that colors are lost and the picture isn't at least enjoyable.

As I said in my original review do I wish I had 500 more lumens? Sure I do, am I glad I didn't have to buy a new projector, and screen just for 3D?..........

HELL YES I'm glad!

Hope that covers it, and thanks to all of you again.
Is there any flicker and ghosting on the epson at 60hz?

I cant wait to get mine.

Best regards,

Cees beekhuyzen
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Chez,

Would you say adjusting settings for 3D content such as jacking up contrast, brightness, etc. helps to overcome the drop in brightness?

Reason I ask is my current calibration is very low on most settings, so I believe I have a lot of room to move if this improves the pq.

Thanks again,
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Chez,

Would you say adjusting settings for 3D content such as jacking up contrast, brightness, etc. helps to overcome the drop in brightness?

Reason I ask is my current calibration is very low on most settings, so I believe I have a lot of room to move if this improves the pq.

Thanks again,
Bill

I would try bumping up gamma rather than change brightness. Contrast should already be maxed out for 2D performance witha projector. Good news is you can use a VP like the DUO to adjust color and gamma if you place the 3D Theater between the source and Duo.
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Does the payment method concern anyone else?
I am not sure about paying with a cash advance... wont this be at the extra cost to the buyer from the credit card?
I feel like am going to spending enough money for all of this

$499.00 3D-Theatre
$129.00 IR emitter glasses with emitter
$99.00 additional glasses without the emitter
$9.99 shipping Domestic
$736 total

Jonathan Alexander

"The order can be placed via www.PayPal.com and selecting SEND MONEY ONLINE and checking the box that says PAYING FOR SOMETHING WITH A CASH ADVANCE and then making the payment to PayPal@3D-VIP.com "
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I would try bumping up gamma rather than change brightness. Contrast should already be maxed out for 2D performance witha projector. Good news is you can use a VP like the DUO to adjust color and gamma if you place the 3D Theater between the source and Duo.

Cool. Thanks for the advice. My point is that I have a lot of room to work with in order to increase brightness and I would probably eyeball the adjustments since there is no real calibration for 3D - unless there is
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Chez,

Would you say adjusting settings for 3D content such as jacking up contrast, brightness, etc. helps to overcome the drop in brightness?

Reason I ask is my current calibration is very low on most settings, so I believe I have a lot of room to move if this improves the pq.

Thanks again,
Bill

The only thing I did was put my Epson in Dynamic Mode, I felt that was the best for this application. I normally watch in Theatre Black 1. Will have more time to play in a few days with overall settings then save it to Memory specifically for 3D.

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I would try bumping up gamma rather than change brightness. Contrast should already be maxed out for 2D performance witha projector. Good news is you can use a VP like the DUO to adjust color and gamma if you place the 3D Theater between the source and Duo.

I will try that as well,.
Right now I remember it being set at 2.0 so I will check and play with that as well.
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Got a chance to post another today, this One shows ESPN 3D, and A brief glimpse of The PS3 doing stardust.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c59Jj5zaLDc

Please no comments about the unpainted wall behind where the TV was, the wife wanted it on a stand and has not picked a new color yet!

Wake me when HD gets Here!
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The only thing I did was put my Epson in Dynamic Mode, I felt that was the best for this application. I normally watch in Theatre Black 1. Will have more time to play in a few days with overall settings then save it to Memory specifically for 3D.



I will try that as well,.
Right now I remember it being set at 2.0 so I will check and play with that as well.
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Got a chance to post another today, this One shows ESPN 3D, and A brief glimpse of The PS3 doing stardust.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c59Jj5zaLDc

Please no comments about the unpainted wall behind where the TV was, the wife wanted it on a stand and has not picked a new color yet!

So how is the flicker and ghosting at 60hz?

Best regards cees beekhuyzen
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Does the payment method concern anyone else?
I am not sure about paying with a cash advance... wont this be at the extra cost to the buyer from the credit card?
I feel like am going to spending enough money for all of this

$499.00 3D-Theatre
$129.00 IR emitter glasses with emitter
$99.00 additional glasses without the emitter
$9.99 shipping Domestic
$736 total

Jonathan Alexander

"The order can be placed via www.PayPal.com and selecting SEND MONEY ONLINE and checking the box that says PAYING FOR SOMETHING WITH A CASH ADVANCE and then making the payment to PayPal@3D-VIP.com "

100% concerns me

Thats why i ordered mine from consignia.ca

http://www.consignia.ca/categories/3...6-Accessories/
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I got an auto reply from consignia, that these are going to be shipped out tomorrow? Can anybody verify this? I hope so, I updated my shipping to ups 3 day and it could be here as soon as saturday if true.

Okay, nevermind I misread their comment. Jonathan is shipping the units to cosignia tomorrow. So they said the estimated ship date is pretty accurate.
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"The order can be placed via www.PayPal.com and selecting SEND MONEY ONLINE and checking the box that says PAYING FOR SOMETHING WITH A CASH ADVANCE and then making the payment to PayPal@3D-VIP.com "



Just called paypal they will not protect the buyer for this type of payment.
you could get screwed..
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At this point vip is all filled up anyhow with preorders from individuals and companies. Try consignia if your interested. They ordered 20 of each displayer/theaters but I'm not sure if any are left.
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So how is the flicker and ghosting at 60hz?

Best regards cees beekhuyzen

Please would someone comment on the "ghosting" and "flicker". I don't think there will be much "ghosting" at 30hz per eye, but I sure am worried about flicker. JVC ameliorated the "ghosting" issue by using 48hz per eye for 3D BD. When 60hz per eye is used the "ghosting" becomes an issue.

Almost forgot - what's the range for the emitter? I'm not interested if its three or four feet!
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Please would someone comment on the "ghosting" and "flicker". I don't think there will be much "ghosting" at 30hz per eye, but I sure am worried about flicker. JVC ameliorated the "ghosting" issue by using 48hz per eye for 3D BD. When 60hz per eye is used the "ghosting" becomes an issue.

Almost forgot - what's the range for the emitter? I'm not interested if its three or four feet!

id like to know my self, plan to use it on a my 60hz samsung dlp,
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If you read the posts on the Rear Projection forums from the Mitsi and Samsung 67A750 DLP users who used various mods to get their obsolete 3d Ready sets working. I don't remember reading that being an issue for that breed of 60hz. set. And those were checkerboard type.

I am interested in the VIP Displayer to use on my Samdung LED DLP as well plus my Panasonic AE4000 Proj. It appears that I will need to use the emitter setup to keep glasses inventory to one type.

The discussion about some individuals being more sensitive to flicker than others is probably the greater likelihood than other concerns. Ambient lighting adjustments may mitigate that problem to those with that sensitivity or they could just hold out for 120hz.

Will definitely be interested in the reports of the early adopters.
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How do you adjust the delay (i.e. the time between the output from the VIP box and the actual image on screen, which varies from display to display)? Is it a glasses adjustment or a DIP switch adjustment?
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