Originally Posted by Lee Stewart
You have truly entered the realm of "Analysis Paralysis." It's a shame too because all you would have had to do was some research on your own to answer the endless questions you post, trying to give the impression that said questions have any real meaning in the Grand Scheme of Things. In other words - present some facts instead of trying to cast doubt on those already presented. That's nothing more than a cheap shyster trick used in a court of law, not on a hobby based forum.
If you had done just a tiny bit of research, you wouldn't have made the blunder of picking PIRANHA as the top 3D earner. It was released in theaters almost exclusively in 3D. Something you didn't even consider in your analysis - which just proves you known less then you profess to. Asking questions doesn't accomplish as much as providing answers. So . . . YOU got any concrete data that proves 3D is growing? Let's see it!
You're the first one*, that I know of to ever call me a shyster, or accuse me of pulling shyster lawyer tricks. I'm not even sure what that is? To the clueless out there, my Piranha example was pulled from your list of data and only because it was at the top of the list. If it was only released in 3D how the heck is that chart accurate if it is listed at 95%. Obviously this is way to complicated for you to understand. But something happened to the 5%. Then there are others examples of movies too such as Jackass that did better than Avatar. For my post to have meaning to you do I need to write an entire book listing every data point?
Lee, there is lots of real world evidence that 3D is a growing impact on our hobby of home theater. Frankly, I don't understand how you can claim to be a 3D enthusiast and not see that. You are the first person who claims to be an enthusiast and can't see that we have far more 3D products today than we did a year ago, than we did 2 years ago but if you are selecting this week vs a particular busy week in the recent past then you are guilty of carefully selecting your data to support your myth.
I'm not going to do your homework for you. I don't need to convince anyone that the world is not in 3D progress mode, even with the souring economy. But I'll give you a hint- Go check out LG, Samsung, and Panasonic and get the % of TV's they plan to do in 2013 vs what they did in 2012 vs what they did in 2011. I believe, unless there was some new info from Samsung that LG will have the largest % of 3D ready TV's in 2013.
* Actually there is another but his claim was a bit different claiming that ESPN will go off the air, pulling the 3D channel by July this year. He was running around claiming that up until it didn't happen. Most of his friends who know better are still laughing at his foolishness. Pretty hard to close it down when they just got a big boost in 3D production budget for next year. Of course nobody ever asks, we all just forget the negative Nancys, and gloom and doom FUD purveyors. Will you remain a Negative Nancy in 10 years when every TV is 3D capable and most movies released in #D are available in Home 3D format too?
You like to post 3D gloom and doom stories- Here's one:
SEOUL (Reuters) - LG Electronics Inc, the world's No. 2 TV brand by revenue, set an aggressive sales target for 3D televisions, aiming to build a leadership position in an emerging market where competition is expected to heat up.
Digital 3D TVs, which use double layered images and special glasses to trick viewers into seeing 3D, are set to become the next battlefield for top TV makers, including Samsung Electronics, LG and Japanese rivals Sony Corp and Panasonic Corp.
LG aimed to sell 400,000 3D TVs in 2010 and 3.4 million in 2011, the South Korean company said at a news conference on Tuesday.
It plans to unveil a full line-up of 3D TV models with new technology improvement in the second half of next year, targeting retail consumers. LG currently offers one 47-inch 3D TV, which is sold mostly to businesses due to a high price tag.
Some analysts were still cautious about the emerging segment, citing lack of 3D content that costs about 50 percent more to make than regular versions.
"3D TV sales and 3D content will go hands in hands. Content providers will be reluctant to boost 3D production before certain number of 3D TVs are sold, and TVs won't sell well unless there's enough content available," said J.M. Hong, an analyst at Kiwoom Securities.
Falling prices, standards spur 3D TV adoption
Michelle Clancy | 18-07-2012
The global market for 3D TVs is projected to exceed 200 million units by 2018, primarily driven by increased consumer interest, falling prices of 3D TVs, and the introduction of 3D standards, according to new research from Global Industry Analysts.
Other growth drivers include soaring demand for digital media entertainment, growing penetration of high-bandwidth broadband services among households, and rapid proliferation of Internet-enabled devices such as smart TVs, smartphones and tablets.
Growing demand for high-quality digital audio and video content among viewers, keen desire among television broadcasters to allow more channels in same spectrum and that too at lower costs, and stringent government mandates ordering termination of all analogue TV broadcasts, have been driving increased adoption of digital television, thereby driving market for 3D TVs. Though a niche segment of the broad digital media platforms, 3D TVs have evolved into one of the fastest growing television formats.
Similar to smartphones, 3D TV technology is increasingly generating consumer interest. Major TV manufacturers including Samsung, LG, Sony and Panasonic entered the 3D format in 2010 and launched several 3D TV models. The transition to 3D technology in the television sector is fast gaining popularity as compared to previous transitions from LCD to LED. As the process of creating and delivering 3D content is complex and a multi-tiered system, 3D standards are required for ensuring interoperability, promoting innovation, and optimising product planning. Standardisation is expected to play a key role in increasing the adoption of 3D TVs in the consumer sector.
Increasing bandwidth speeds, thanks to successful rollouts of fibre-based high-capacity broadband connections will additionally boost market prospects for 3D TVs, as high bandwidth network enables seamless transmission of high quality live television content over the Internet. Improvement in Quality of Service, reduction of deployment times, introduction of innovative service packages and competitive pricing will be critical for 3D TV to gain mass market adoption.
Just two stories posted on news services on the internet. As I said earlier, while these stories are plentiful, the Negative Nancys and FUD purveyors seem to get all the attention. I generally don't seek out either type of story, especially those with pretty charts to paint either a positive or negative agenda. Instead, I prefer the SEC reports as I invest in the stocks of these companies. I need honest data from the accountants, not some FUD blogger and certainly not some 3D negative alarmist who claims to be a 3D enthusiast on some mysterious agenda.
I'm very happy with the progress these past 3 years in the 3D product line development, the movies growth numbers released, and outlook for the future. I'm comfortably invested in companies that are involved in 3D future! Lee show me where George Lucas is ending future plans to do 3D, John Cameron, Disney and others and I'll show you Don selling his stock. But I will still enjoy my 3D.
OK this is my last post in this thread. As they say you can have the last word and continue to try to convince the world will end on Dec 21st too for all I care. I just think you are completely misinformed on this and I have no idea why. When the discussion begins to turn to names like shyster, I used negative Nancy, it's time to call it a day and turn to do something constructive like help someone with Vegas 3D editing or shooting. This thread has nothing constructive about it and IMO is beneath the integrity of AVS Forum! I'm sorry to have posted here.