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#1 ·
I was really excited to try out this upcoming Vizio soundbar, but they just posted the manual on their site and it looks like it only has a single optical and 2 analog audio inputs. Does this seem strange? I assumed it would have atleast a single HDMI...and what is up with 2 analog inputs.

http://www.vizio.com/assets/0/92/440...5a69d6188b.pdf
 
#27 ·

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Originally Posted by bellanrusty /forum/post/17117787



- Both sound a whole lot better than the backward pointing speakers on my Samsung LCD.

Exactly!

If one is in a position where they need the best sound possible from a soundbar they may want to spend more for the topline ZVox, or go with a Yamaha bar, etc. for a larger screen in a small HT theater with limited space.


I think the Vizio is excellent for it's intended purpose, improved audio for a small screen TV.


I ended up with the sub-less $148 model from Wally World and then added a 10" refurb sub from JBL's ebay store for $100 w/shipping (careful bidding).

The result is very satisfying (beyond my expectations) for a BR setup that I can also play DVDs and CDs through.
 
#28 ·
I have a chance to get a used YSP-900 for the same price as the Vizio VSB210WS Soundbar. The advantage of the Vizio would be the wireless sub. Adding a sub to the YSP-900 is not a big deal but I would need to place it inside a TV alcove behind the LCD that is mounted over the fireplace. Meaning the sub would be 6 feet off the ground and behind the TV and soundbar. I also have an open room layout with vaulted ceilings.


Tough decision since they are the same price.
 
#29 ·

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Originally Posted by samsonisfurry /forum/post/17129527


I have a chance to get a used YSP-900 for the same price as the Vizio VSB210WS Soundbar. The advantage of the Vizio would be the wireless sub. Adding a sub to the YSP-900 is not a big deal but I would need to place it inside a TV alcove behind the LCD that is mounted over the fireplace. Meaning the sub would be 6 feet off the ground and behind the TV and soundbar. I also have an open room layout with vaulted ceilings.


Tough decision since they are the same price.

I'd be tempted to go with the Yamaha for that price, not sure how much better it sounds..but only if you can add a sub to it. As I said above, I added a JBL refurb which is likely a little better than Vizio's proprietary sub.

I think the only real deal-breaker is if you really NEED a WIRELESS sub.
 
#30 ·
OK, this is my very first post in the entire forum!


I bought the Vizio Soundbar for my living room. I wanted better sound, but was unwilling to pay the price for Bose, Yamaha, Sony, etc. I sprung $250 for the Vizio from Costco and hung it right under my television which is a Panasonic 42" Plasma that is a couple years old. I have my cable box and DVD player running into the TV with HDMI cables. Initially I had RCA cables running from the DVR and DVD into the soundbar. I have a Logitech Harmony remote (my wife cussed me out because she had to use too many remotes for all the stuff so I bought her The Lord of the Remotes, for those of you not getting the Lord of the Rings reference, One remote to bind them......OK I think its funny). The Logitech was having trouble switching inputs on the soundbar because the it actually requires a double push, once to let the soundbar know and once to change the input source. I messed around with the remote settings for days and days to no avail. Then I hit up parts express for a splitter and some optical cables. Still wouldn't work because my cable box doesn't have the right type of output. DVD worked fine with the optical out.


Finally, I started looking at the outputs to the television and I WAS SAVED! My Panny has an optical audio output. Ran one of my optical cables from TV to soundbar and TA DAAAA! I turn everything on and off with the press of one button.


So everyone out there worried about lack of outputs use your HDMI's and optical out on your TV and there won't be a single problem with any device. Some of the newer TVs have at least 4 HDMI inputs. Plus you can get switching splitters if you need them.


Life is beautiful when a plan comes together.
 
#31 ·
chethammer,


Welcome to the forums. Can you please post the model number of your 42" Panasonic? I am presuming you are not passing 5.1 audio to the soundbar from your cable box or DVD player. Is this true? I consider it a fatal flaw that this soundbar does not accept multi-channel input from the optical connection.


Chris
 
#32 ·
Who says it does not accept 5.1 optical? Even the 'base' bar (no sub) does. Of course, it is not going to create 5.1 speakers out of that but has fairly good Virtual surround, etc. as well as very good 2.0 or 2.1 sound.
 
#33 ·
My television is a Panasonic Th-42PX60. The optical output specifications for my TV only tell me that it is Dolby Digital. Not sure as to whether or not that is 5.1 capable or not. I would think so. 5.1 has been around longer than my 2 1/2 year old television. The sound is much cleaner through the optical then the RCA's. Unlike another poster above I do care about sound quality, but the other sound bars aren't too much better or worse and the wireless sub is a nice touch. $250 out the door is a pretty good deal also. The other consideration is that the sony system's controls are all in that massive tall subwoofer. If the sub goes so goes the whole system. I rather have the option of not having it if that were to occur. The Vizio sounds quite good without the sub, too.


To answer the first question my cable box and my dvd are going to the TV using HDMI cables. My cable box is a Pace 787X for digital cable and I have a Panasonic DVD Recorder VCR combo. Thinking of going Blue Ray in the future. I figure they'll be down to almost $100 for Christmas. The optical is the only audio from the TV to the Soundbar.
 
#34 ·
If you want 5.1 for broadcasts, DVDs, etc. of course, you have to use the optical connection for the full effect.


But I use analog stereo output also from my DVD player to play CDs through the Vizio box (2.1), and it sounds great!
 
#35 ·
I have the Vizio VF550M. Great TV, but even with its built in sound bar the sounds is not very good. However, it comments here seem to suggest that the visio sound bar or one similar to it would be a big step up and simple. The TV itself has 5 hdmi inputs and a optical out for sound so a whole new receiver seems crazy, particularly if you want to avoid all the wires etc. The manual says the optical cable out is for "HD sources" and that it will pass sound through "regardless of source." But I agree there is a concern it is not passing a full 5.1 or 7.1 signal, so I'm looking to see if anyone knows for sure?


..Doug
 
#36 ·

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Who says it does not accept 5.1 optical?

I said it and I stand by my statement. On page 11, 13, 15 and 16 of the owners manual -

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Note: When using the Optical Input on the HD Sound Bar System, be sure to set the source device

output mode to PCM. Refer to the TV user manual for more information about the audio output settings of

the product.

Page 22 states -

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A = SPDIF compressed format detected.


....


- If Error A, SPDIF compressed format detected error occurs, configure the DVD player (or audio source

device) audio output format setting to PCM or PCM stream. Otherwise, use the Analog RCA inputs from

the audio source to the Sound Bar without configuration of the audio source device.
Link to owners manual


Chris
 
#37 ·

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My television is a Panasonic Th-42PX60. The optical output specifications for my TV only tell me that it is Dolby Digital. Not sure as to whether or not that is 5.1 capable or not. I would think so.

The answer is not so simple. When watching anything from the internal ATSC tuner, the full signal gets passed out the optical out on the TV. So for example, the prime-time shows that are broadcast in 5.1 will get passed out the optical port in 5.1. The Vizio soundbar will give you an error in this case and you will hear nothing from the optical port.


However, if you have an HDMI source, like a Satellite receiver or Blue Ray, it's not so simple or nice. Multi-channel DD gets passed to the TV from the HDMI connection. but at that point, the TV down-converts the multi-channel out to DD 2.0 to the optical out. So you will lose multi-channel sound going through hdmi into the TV. I don't think all HDMI TV's act this way, but the Panasonic ones do. I can't speak for the newer models either.

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To answer the first question my cable box and my dvd are going to the TV using HDMI cables. My cable box is a Pace 787X for digital cable and I have a Panasonic DVD Recorder VCR combo. Thinking of going Blue Ray in the future. I figure they'll be down to almost $100 for Christmas. The optical is the only audio from the TV to the Soundbar.

You need to realize, with this configuration, you will not ever get more than stereo out of the TV into your soundbar. Maybe this is fine for your room. The Sony soundbar is actually a 3.1 system, so you get a discrete center channel in addition to the stereo sound on 5.1 sources. The Vizio is a 2.1 system.


Chris
 
#38 ·

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If you want 5.1 for broadcasts, DVDs, etc. of course, you have to use the optical connection for the full effect.

This is not true. You will get an error if you pass DD 5.1 into the optical input of the Vizio Soundbar.

Quote:
But I use analog stereo output also from my DVD player to play CDs through the Vizio box (2.1), and it sounds great!

Proves my point, you aren't even using the optical connection.


Chris
 
#39 ·
Not an audio or videophile, I need some clarification on the capabilities of the vizio soundbar. Just purchased a panasonic TC-P50C-1 and the vizio soundbar. I can receive audio when tuned to a non hd channel, however, I don't receive audio when tuned to a hd channel. TV only has optical audio out. Manual states that if an ATSC channel is selected the digital audio out will be DD and when an NTSC channel is selected the output will be PCM. Does this mean that I can't use the soundbar for HD broadcasts since they are not PCM an soundbar requires PCM. If so, is there any ay to correct? Appreciate any feedback!
 
#40 ·
drbklb,


I would recommend getting a different sound bar due to the "fatal flaw" I described earlier with the Vizio soundbar. You are experiencing the same symptoms I mentioned. There is a work-around. This device from Gefen converts DD5.1 to PCM. But you would do far better returning the Vizio soundbar and buying another soundbar that supports DD. It's amazing to me the Vizio soundbar actually made it to market with this flaw.


Chris
 
#42 ·
The fact that the Panasonic passes through the same broadcast signal out the optical jack, seems like a good design. If I had a full-blown DD receiver, in the same room as the TV, I would want the unadultered sound like the Panasonic delivers. You may also check to see if your Panasonic TV allows you to downmix everything to PCM? A setting perhaps? I know my Panasonic Plasma does not have that option.


I also find it amazing that the Visio offers an optical input yet doesn't decode DD. It seems like an incredible lack of forethought. They went cheap basically. How many people do you suppose just return the Vizio because they can't figure out why they can't get sound when they're watching TV? It works sometimes and doesn't work other times.


Most people I imagine, that care about serious audio won't use the TV as a switcher anyway. They would route all external inputs into a DD receiver. But that means, speakers, etc. In my case (a bedroom), I wanted a clean install, with no other components save a soundbar. The Sony I mentioned performs quite well in this regard. I hate to sound like a Sony fanboy, I'm not. But they simply have designed the most capable soundbar in terms of hdmi/optical inputs.


Chris
 
#43 ·

Quote:
Originally Posted by dougski /forum/post/17530056


I have the Vizio VF550M. Great TV, but even with its built in sound bar the sounds is not very good. However, it comments here seem to suggest that the visio sound bar or one similar to it would be a big step up and simple. The TV itself has 5 hdmi inputs and a optical out for sound so a whole new receiver seems crazy, particularly if you want to avoid all the wires etc. The manual says the optical cable out is for "HD sources" and that it will pass sound through "regardless of source." But I agree there is a concern it is not passing a full 5.1 or 7.1 signal, so I'm looking to see if anyone knows for sure?


..Doug

Is it really a 'soundbar'? A few 15W speakers sounds about what most displays have.

Any 'real' soundbar is a step up for most any display, and much of that has to do with superior enclosure. But if you want the best surround, a soundbar will not get it. Only, a good HT system will.

But I have noticed many soundbars sound better than the real cheapie mini 5 speaker HT systems I've heard as far as audio quality.

Of course, Def Tech, Klispsch, Infinity, KEF, etc. make some very good sounding small systems for about the same price as some high end soundbars.

But for secondary applications (BR TV, etc.) soundbars work out very well IMO.
 
#44 ·
Sorry for the dumb question but why are some people concerned that the unit does not accept a 5.1 signal.

It is a stereo speaker so what difference would it make?

I have a Panasonic Plasma and a Pana Blu-Ray player.

Why would I not just simply hook it up to my TV with an RCA or SPDIF cable?

I am very much into sound quality so I look forward to being educated.

BTW...I only purchased it yesterday but I am very pleased with the sound in general. Sub is a bit boomy and the Pseudo Surround is not that great but I really did not want to pay for a Yamaha bar.

Many thanks.
 
#45 ·
You are probably better off with this unit than with the Yamaha Sound Projector or Sound Bar. I purchased the Vizio about three months ago and am quite frankly delighted.


I do not use either of the sound processing modes (surround/volume limiting) as they both seem to add compression and other unnatural artifacts to the sound.


The Vizio was very open and dynamic which is why I gave it high marks over my previous setup using a Yamaha YSP costing about 10 times as much.


I was looking for decent hi-fi type sound. Didn't really matter if this was one, two, five or seven channels. My son is now quite happy with the Yamaha with his home theater and I am very content with the Vizio. I also tried a Sony CT-100 in between these two, but was less than impressed with the soundstage and dynamics. Same problem as with the Yamaha, everything sounded very constricted.


Also, congrats on the Pany plasma and Blu-Ray. I also upgraded my TV to a new Pany V10 and BD60 Blu-Ray player and have the best looking and sounding home theater yet in my home. Even my wife is giving me compliments and no longer thinks I am crazy to spend the money for the improved TV when our three year old 42" Pany plasma was still looking terrific. But not in the ballpark with Panasonic's 2009 models.
 
#46 ·
By the way, the 5.1 question was not dumb. I know quite a few people that believe that if they have a Blu-Ray or DVD with 5.1 sound and they miss anything, they are not getting what they pay for.


Unfortunately, most of these same people have no idea how to properly set up a 5.1 system. At my former home I had a very high end ($15,000) surround system and paid to have it properly calibrated. This worked well, but I had more than one friend comment that they couldn't hear the surround speakers or the sub-woofer. When I explained to them that you should not be aware of this, their reaction was, why pay for it. Most homes have the surround speakers as loud as the front speakers and the subs so loud, the bass is always there. This is not what you her in a properly calibrated movie theater.


When I moved to a smaller condo (although an even larger open space living area), I decided to take only my front speakers, amplification and subs which I set up in my sun room and we enjoy music there. The family room (20x45 with 17' ceilings) has the TV and soundbar. New family room was actually too big for succesful surround which is why I ditched most of the equipment from the old home and went with the Yamaha three years ago.


By the way, Panasonic's built-in speakers with the current models sound much better than the ones with my three year old plasma. Just not quite full enough and definitely no low end. I did retain the Yamaha sub to go with the Vizio soundbar.
 
#47 ·
I just picked up the 200 model with no wireless sub at Wally-World for $128 since I was less than enthralled with the speakers in my new Samsung UN40B6000. While I have no interest in going back to a multi-speaker home theater setup, I attached a Velodyne sub I had laying around from a previous setup. Eventually I'll probably move to a higher-end sound bar, but for now this deal was too good to pass up.


I'm still playing around with the setup, mainly the volume level and crossover freq on the sub itself, but I have a couple of questions:


1) Does the Vizio sound bar have any sort of cross-over or do the speakers in the sound bar continue to output the same frequencies when an external sub is connected?


2) Does the volume adjustment on the sound bar adjust the level on the sub output? I had to order an optical cable, but have it connected with an RCA cable right now so there probably isn't much low frequency audio being passed from the tv to the sound bar (and/or I have the sub crossed over too low right now). I would have preferred to run the output from the TV into the sub and the high-pass output of the sub to the sound bar, but the audio output from the tv is fixed.
 
#48 ·

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Originally Posted by Topmounter /forum/post/17720243


I just picked up the 200 model with no wireless sub at Wally-World for $128 since I was less than enthralled with the speakers in my new Samsung UN40B6000. While I have no interest in going back to a multi-speaker home theater setup, I attached a Velodyne sub I had laying around from a previous setup. Eventually I'll probably move to a higher-end sound bar, but for now this deal was too good to pass up.


I'm still playing around with the setup, mainly the volume level and crossover freq on the sub itself, but I have a couple of questions:


1) Does the Vizio sound bar have any sort of cross-over or do the speakers in the sound bar continue to output the same frequencies when an external sub is connected?


2) Does the volume adjustment on the sound bar adjust the level on the sub output? I had to order an optical cable, but have it connected with an RCA cable right now so there probably isn't much low frequency audio being passed from the tv to the sound bar (and/or I have the sub crossed over too low right now). I would have preferred to run the output from the TV into the sub and the high-pass output of the sub to the sound bar, but the audio output from the tv is fixed.

Whatever the crossover is, is not stated in their spec. Of course, it is fixed. I use a JBL sub with the non-sub unit and have the sub set between 100Hz and 110Hz and the level by ear.

Experiment for the best sound, maybe using a good musical CD with some decent bass, making sure it's not too boomy and blends in nicely with the sound bar (no holes in response).

I am giving you the same advice, maybe a little more, than what Vizio support told me. It works quite well!
 
#49 ·
Many mahalos for the input guys.

One question.

Right now I have the Vizio bar and sub connected to my Panasonic via SPDIF.

From what I have read here that will not work in certain circumstances.

So would I be better served connecting the BR player using SPDIF and the TV or cable box via RCA's?

BTW.....I am a bit of an audio nut and I own a very high end system. I am very happy with the sound quality of the Vizio bar so far. Especially for the price. :)
 
#51 ·
I have a question about this soundbar. I currently have my Samsung TV hooked up to a shelf system (the stereo is several years old), and I noticed that if I have the sound going through the stereo and the TV at the same time, that the sound comes out of the TV a split second sooner than the stereo (I have D* going into the TV via HDMI. I have the stereo connected with av cables (red and white), and I have already connected the audio out (red and white) from the D* receiver directly to the stereo. I stopped into to Wally World and looked at this sound bar, and the only connections are red/white. Does the sound come out of this behind HDMI like what I have now? Or is there something else I can do with the sound to my shelf system? All I am looking to do is get better sound than the TV speakers. If I can do something to my current setup, that is fine too.


I will say that it sounded good (obviously not great) with the setup that WM was using.
 
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