Originally Posted by tnvolfan
Thank you for the well wishes regarding the VSB-200. I'm sorry to hear that you had "issues" with the BA sub. It seems like you could have dialed it in but (like you stated) that sub might be a bit robust for the Vizio. I spoke with the folks at Vizio prior to making my purchase a few weeks ago to gain some knowledge prior to my installation with my existing equipment. They weren't real helpful with the sub settings but they gave me a baseline where I could tweak from there. They did also say that a 5-6" sub was recommended. My sub is a Cambridge 10" and I needed at least that for my room dimensions; also, it seems to lend the level of bass I'm accustom to with my previous 5.1 setup without ruining the spaciousness of the Vizio. That's why I wrote my long winded piece to hopefully share my results with people who might be looking to add the VSB-200 to their existing equipment.
I didn't notice you mention anything about a receiver. Are you using a receiver with the VSB-200 or are you running the audio through the TV? If you are using a receiver, it seems that you would be able to control the depth of that BA sub without destroying the tones from the Vizio. I find it odd that you like the way it sounds without a sub. I did try that experience myself but it sounded much like my plasma speakers only Louder and with very little "oomph". Especially when watching movies. The Vizio still filled the room but it just felt like something was "missing". It just won't deliver the depth of sound I'm obviously accustom to.
BTW, are you using a pair of headphones? If so, how are you handling that situation?
The problem with the Vizio and the BA sub was the BA was designed as a true sub-woofer to be used with full-range speakers. This was purchased in the mid-1990's to replace a pair of Janis subs (some of the best ever built) and a sixty pound amplifier and electronic crossover to send the correct signals to the amp for the full range speakers and the amp for the subs. That was really a far more accurate and believable system, but due to remodeling and the size of the Janis subs, they were not going to work in the redone family room. Thus the BA with built-in ampliciation and a much smaller footprint. You could hide the BA behind a chair. You could not hide the Janis's anywhere as they were about 30" tall and 25" wide and deep and weighed about 100# each. Those were serious units.
Anyway the BA has a 12" driver that can handle frequencies up to 90hz or maybe 100hz without problems. Even with their internal crossover set to 120hz, the sound is down by at least 6db to 8db at the frequency. The Vizio soundbar starts to rolloff the bass at about 170-180hz at 12db per octave which leave at least a big part of the mid to upper bass unaccounted for, thus the sound was thin even though the sub goes down to about 24hz. I come from the old school that believe that sub-woofers were designed to extend the bass frequencies but should maintain the overall balance of the primary system. With my full range Infinity tower speakers, this works perfectly. The Infinity's begin to roll off at about 42hz, just before the lowest octave of bass. I have the crossover set at 65hz for both and the transition is seamless. It was just a lark to see how the big sub sounded with the AV system. At our old home, we had been listening to broadcast, laserdisc (1978), VHS (1979), CED (1981), DVD (1998) since 1977 with a variety of wonderful full-range speakers from Dahlquist, Quad, DCM and Vandersteen before discovering the Infinities.
With each soundbar that I have owned, except the Sony whose electronics were in the sub-woofer, I would spend about a week listening to only the soundbar before running some basic accoustic tests on it. Typically, when you first listen to only the soundbar, you think, that's not that much better than the crappy built-in speakers that came with the TV. But after about a week, if you switch back to TV speakers, they sound tinny, thin, even worse than you remembered. Anyway, with a little break in and doing some testing for basic frequency response and resonances, I am ready to add the sub. With the Vizio, I use the sub originally purchased for my Yamaha YSP several years ago. They mate perfectly with a major adjustment in output for the Yamaha. Amazing how efficient the Vizio is.
I never dreamed of driving the Vizio with a receiver as I never use any of the tone or balance controls from my receivers or pre-amps (if they even have any). In theory, the amps that come with a powered soundbar should be contoured for the speakers frequency response, efficiency and Q of the speaker and cabinet. If done correctly, you should get better sound from the soundbar using internal, dedicated amplification as opposed to connecting to high-end audio components.
Anyway, hope I have not bored the audience too much. I see that Amazon shipped my new soundbar today and should be delivered Tuesday. But I will be working on the Gulf Coast until the following week so will have to wait to see how well it sounds. JVC-TH-BA1. From those that have tried it, they say it may be the best out there. For 250 with six mo. no interest financing from Amazon, it is a heck of a a deal. And if it doesn't live up to expectations, it is easy to return.
Now what am I going to do with the Vizio and the Yamaha sub if I really do like the JVC. Life is full of choice.