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post #91 of 590 Old 12-16-2010, 05:15 PM
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Does anyone know if you can mount this on the wall or is it table top only!
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Does anyone know if you can mount this on the wall or is it table top only!

Wall mounting is not a great option, the cables all protrude from the back, and the feet are non-removable. Conceivably you could make a bracket of some sort, but it would effected just be a flat shelf surface for it to sit on.

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I spotted one on eBay for 739. I suspect that as more places get them in stock, the price will come down some. Granted, $500 was unusually low. I don't think I'll see that price again.
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Think I read that the feet are removable? Am i wrong? Has any one bought from that compass place that has it for 799.
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Granted, $500 was unusually low. I don't think I'll see that price again.

You will. When & were is the question.
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so how to hook up a velodyne powered sub that I'd rather use

>>it comes with a sub
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so I use that to connect, I thought it was for the ysp sub

>>It has a positive negative type connection for the sub
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It was just selling for $542

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I saw that too, but when I try to add to cart, it won't work. I'm leaving town in a few days anyway, so I might wait until I get back, since they seem to ship very quickly.
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so I use that to connect, I thought it was for the ysp sub

>>It has a positive negative type connection for the sub

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The 2200 has only one sub connector. Speaker level connector which should be suitable for any sub with a speaker level, not line level, input. I have tried my BA sub with several soundbars. Even though the BA is a true sub (22hz-80hz), it left a lot to be desired when used with a soundbar. Most soundbars, due to size and drivers, start to roll off high frequencies somewhere between 160hz and 200hz. No idea about the Yamaha, but from looks and driver compliment and the fact that this looks very similar to the model 400 from 2010, I would assume rolloff starts at about 170hz.

Most true subs have no output at all above 100hz-120hz. If your Velodyne is like most true subs, you will have a one octave gap between your subs hf roll-off and the soundbar lf roll-off. This will leave everything, more than likely, sounding pretty thin. The subs that come with most soundbars, do not actually reach into the true sub range (20hz-40hz), but have an extended high frequency to match the characteristics of the soundbar. Plus, if the manufacturer, has done their homework (most do), they have do additional frequency and phase mapping to compliment their own units.

If you try the Velodyne, let us know how that works.

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Got mine all hooked up this evening and ran it through Star Trek & FFVII Advent Blu via my PS3 (HDMI). Seems pretty cool, did the auto-setup feature with the provided microphone, but didn't really follow the instructions so I'm sure there are some additional tweaks I need to make to get it down right. I haven't noticed any audio skips like i did with the VHT210 so already performing better (the skips could have been with the TV though cause I was going HDMI in and optical out letting the TV downsample it). The surround effect is pretty cool, but I need to tweak it some to where I sit, I can catch the full effect at just the right angle with my head. Pretty convincing. Sub was a lot bigger than I thought it would be and I was going to run cable to behind my couch but the instructions state it should be placed in close proximity to the bar so I'm not sure what I'd lose by moving it behind me.
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what about hooking up both subs, the velo has rca inputs and rca outputs so does rca to speaker level then back to the yamaha sub work

>>If you try the Velodyne, let us know how that works.
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what about hooking up both subs, the velo has rca inputs and rca outputs so does rca to speaker level then back to the yamaha sub work

>>If you try the Velodyne, let us know how that works.

RCA inputs and outputs are normally reserved for line level (1v) fixed output. The output from speaker level (dynamic) outputs of the soundbar would only drive the Velodyne if the Velodyne included speaker level inputs and outputs. If the Velodyne inputs/outputs are speaker level and not fixed, in theory you could go from the Soundbar to the Velodyne to the Yamaha sub. If this were the case, for this to work right in practice, you would need to be able to adjust the frequency response of both sub-woofers to place their output in the same range. Even if this works, if both units do not match one another in efficiency, they would only match output at one specific sound level. Whichever unit was more efficient would completely overshadow the other once you increase your volume or the opposite when you decrease volume.

Unless this 2200 is doing something magical, which I doubt from reading the specs, you will make your sound worse (probably much worse) by trying to include the Velodyne in your setup. It does not matter that the Velodyne probably cost as much as the undiscounted 2200 (my BA sub did and the pair of Janis subs before that cost almost 2-1/2 times that amount and were not amplified) if it does not accoustically match the device it is to be used with, it will most likely sound worse.

By the way, my comments about magical refer only to the sub-woofer connection and does not in any way reflect my feelings on the 2200. I am actually looking forward to some good comparisons. If it is everything that it could be, this could be the magic bullet for inexpensive home video and possibly even audio sound. If I ever find the unit that can do both well, my wife says the remaining pieces of my Hi-Fi system in HER sunroom are headed to e-bay.

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Found a way using rcas from the media player so the velodyne would not be connected to the ysp, I'll then use 100hz bass blockers for the ysp sub.
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Quick question,
Been looking at the yamaha 2200 and it looks great but was able to pick up the ysp 4000 yesterday for 500 dollars. Torn between keeping the 4000 at that price or picking up the 2200. Any thoughts. please
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ysp 2200.

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Think I read that the feet are removable? Am i wrong?

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The YSP-2200 is only 3 1/8" high, so you can place it in front of most flat screen TVs without blocking the picture. The height-adjustable feet let you achieve optimum positioning. The feet can also be removed, reducing the height of the speaker to only 2'.

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anyone got a indepth review of this thing yet?
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anyone got a indepth review of this thing yet?

Good one here:

http://www.amazon.com/Yamaha-YSP-220...2902220&sr=1-1
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still sounds good but he didnt seem crazy excited? whats the eta on your shootout Davyo?
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still sounds good but he didnt seem crazy excited? whats the eta on your shootout Davyo?

Not sure at this moment,, reason being,,,, in the last few weeks I have been entertaining the idea of getting the new 65" Vizio 3D panel,,, if I buy the 65 incher Im going to have to break the piggy bank so ALL my money will be going to the Vizio,,,,, the 2200 is on hold until I decide what Im going to do about the TV purchase.

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What are the big differences in the 2200 vs the 4000. I picked up that 4000 and people are saying the cheaper 2200 is better. Any explanations greatly appreciated.
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I'm on my way to abt electronics to pick up the ysp 2200. I'll post a review within a couple days. FYI, abt is selling it for cheaper than what is listed on their website.
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Mine's been "out for delivery" since yesterday morning. Great job, UPS.

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How much cheaper?

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Okay, so about a week in now, and I am still pleased as can be with the purchase. The sound is good, I have balanced it at multiple points in my room and it works well in all of them. There is no appreciable input lag when playing rhythm games on my XBox 360 (connected to the TV via HDMI back to the YSP-2200 via optical), having tested DDR Universe and Dance Central.

Interestingly enough, several people who are not audiophiles and certainly are not familiar enough with my gear to know anything had changed by sight commented on how much better the sound in the room was, and wanted to know what I had changed.

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What are the big differences in the 2200 vs the 4000. I picked up that 4000 and people are saying the cheaper 2200 is better. Any explanations greatly appreciated.

I don't know if anyone has done a side by side comparison, but the 2200 has an extra couple of years research into the sound projector concept. Older models were mostly love or hate relationships. I owned an older YSP for three years and did not love or hate it. It always left me lukewarm and several newer models had the same sonic signature as my older unit as well as the same lack of dynamics and headroom. The 2200 is a newer more modern design and could possibly solve the deficincies of the older units.

Never have heard a 4000, but did hear a 4100 and it seemed no better than the circa 1997 YSP that I owned.

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So whats the deal ???

Most, if not all website's I have looked at list the 2200 as being out of stock and all the sites are asking full MSRP.

The one "owner review" for it on Amazon has also been removed.

For the lucky few that got the 2200 at the low price of around $500.00 it would seem you are very lucky since its no longer in stock with anyone and no discounted pricing.

Opinion's ???

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@Davyo, These units are selling like hotcakes. May be a few more weeks till we see any significant sale prices. I'm saving for it right now. I would love to find one in the $750 range.
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@Davyo, These units are selling like hotcakes. May be a few more weeks till we see any significant sale prices. I'm saving for it right now. I would love to find one in the $750 range.

Not sure if they are selling like hotcakes,,, to me it looks like they just have not built many yet.

For the most part no B&M stores have them in stock and have never got them in stock yet to even sell, and the one time they were listed on Amazon as "in-stock" only lasted for a day or two.

Im wondering if Yamaha is waiting till after CES to produce a big run of the 2200's and then start shipping them out to all the retailers.

It is a bit odd in the first place that they released the 2200 in the USA so close to CES, Im more incline to think its just a limited release until after CES.

You had to mention hotcake's,,,, geeze,,, now ya got me thinkin about going to iHop for some of the Nut-N-Grain pancake's.

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