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Hello,

I dont understand why the new YAS 201 didn't come out with the same features in terms of technology DSP that the older YSP 2200, what does this mean is the technology defunct, that the YAS 201 is better AND cheaper?

Which of these two would you recommend for playing movies and music? Also...am I missing something are there other models, brands I should look at? Klipsh, Sony, Polk, Vzio? If so which specific models would be better than these Yamaha's (for comparable price).

Everything that I have read about the YSP 2200 is great - but this unit is almost 2 years old maybe there is something better in the market these days?

Price target around the USD 500 area. (one can find a YSP 2200 for that price now).
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Isn't the 201 just the 101 but with an external sub. Seems to be about the same.
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YAS 2200

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The Digital Sound Projector applies sophisticated Digital Sound Projection Technology to precisely control the orientation of the sound by focusing it into beams. The sound is both direct and reflected off the walls so the listener hears sound from the front, sides and back. The result is true multi-channel surround sound that sounds just like a multi-speaker system — without the need for extra speakers!
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Conventional multichannel audio reproduction systems base their sound on Dolby Digital and DTS decoding, using matrix and steering technologies to create surround sound effects. Yamaha CINEMA DSP is much more advanced, actually creating richly realized independent sound fields that envelop you in an unmatched surround sound experience. With dialogue, music and effects from ideally located in these separate sound fields, you will hear sound with accurate placement, smooth movement, exceptional clarity and richness, and startlingly realistic presence. It will seem as if the walls of your room have disappeared and you are in the middle of your own immense theater! The decoding circuitry performs Dolby Pro Logic IIx, Dolby Digital, Dolby Digital EX, DTS Digital Surround, DTS-ES (DTS-ES Matrix 6.1 and DTS-ES Discrete 6.1), DTS Neo:6 and DTS 96/24 decoding with extreme accuracy, as well as all digital sound field processing.

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Yamaha employs sophisticated digital signal processing with exclusive algorithms to enable playback that improves the performance of compressed music formats, including MP3 and WMA. With the Compressed Music Enhancer, highs and especially lows are richer and smoother, bringing music back to life to be as close to the original as possible.

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This unit creates a sound field by reflecting sound beams on the walls of your listening room and by broadening the cohesion of all the channels. Just as you would arrange the speaker position of other audio systems, you need to set the beam angle to enjoy the best possible sound from this unit. This unit employs the beam optimization and sound optimization features with the aid of the supplied IntelliBeam microphone, allowing you to avoid troublesome listening-based setup and achieving highly accurate sound adjustments that best match your listening environment. We call these two features “IntelliBeam” generically.

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UniVolume is a Yamaha-developed technology that maintains a consistent volume level between different channels, programs, commercials and input sources. For instance, when watching TV while using UniVolume, the volume of commercials will not be louder than the program being viewed. The same is true when switching sources to watch a DVD or Blu-ray movie or to listen to music on CD. This is particularly helpful for late night watching and listening when spikes in volume can disturb others in the house or apartment building.

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YAS 201

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DTS digital surround was developed to replace the analog soundtracks of movies with a 6.1-channel digital sound track, and is now rapidly gaining popularity in movie theaters around the world. DTS, Inc. has developed a home theater system so that you can enjoy the depth of sound and natural spatial representation of DTS digital surround in your home. This system produces practically distortion-free 6-channel sound (technically, front left and right, center, surround left and right, and LFE 0.1 (subwoofer) channels for a total of 5.1 channels). This unit incorporates a DTS-ES decoder that enables 6.1-channel reproduction by adding the surround back channel to the existing 5.1-channel format.
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Isn't the 201 just the 101 but with an external sub. Seems to be about the same.

remember im talking 2200 versus 201 ...not 101 versus 202
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The 2200 and 201 are two different animals and technologies. To undestand this you have to remember what we are trying to achieve. Surround sound by its name implies we have sound coming from all around us. The best way to achieve this is to place speakers all around usas in a typical 5.1 or 7.1 configuration. When that is not practical or desired the next best thing is to bounce(aka beam) the sounds off the walls to give a surround effect. This is what the sound projectors like the 2200 and up do. The more speakers the more areas to bounce off the wall and the better effect is achieved. The 5100 is one nice unit and very tweakable for this application but pricey. The last thing one can do is to trick the brain by adjusting the phase of the speakers constantly. The 201 like many other sound bars tries to create the illusion of surround by changing the phase(timing) of the sound.

The Yamaha Sound projectors like the 2200 and above actually use both of the last two methods. Models below the 2200 are called sound bars where the 2200 and above are sound projectors. The 2200 is a superior machine to the 201 and most of the other bars that have no way of bouncing the sound off the walls. If you can get if for close to the price of the 201 it is defnitely the better choice.
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I own the YSP2200 and am extremely happy with it. As mentioned by other posters, the 201 and 2200 are entirely different beasts. The 201 is a sound bar while the 2200 is a sound projector, composed of multiple (16) drivers. The 201 lacks HDMI connectivity and, from most accounts, is simply a 101 with an added sub. The 201 is currently $400 on Amazon. If you can get the 2200 for a mere $100 more, then by all means get the 2200 and don't look back. Even though it's about two years old, it blows all sound bars out of the water. I expect its price to fall even further, with Yamaha releasing its two successors in November.
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How is your experience with music? Reviews that I'd read on the 2200 praise its ability with movies, but tend to be a little less enthusiastic about it with music.

And how's the surround effect in your room?

I wish that there were reviews of the new models!
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If music is a priority I'd look at a good stereo system and trade off surround effects. ANY of these bars with 4" or smaller woofers are not going to compete with a nice 2.0 or 2.1 system for music.
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How is your experience with music? Reviews that I'd read on the 2200 praise its ability with movies, but tend to be a little less enthusiastic about it with music.
And how's the surround effect in your room?
I wish that there were reviews of the new models!

I havent used it for music so I cant really answer that question. Im not an audiophile either so I'm not so sure I'd know what to listen for. i bought it to add sound to my Kuro 101fd (which has no sound output or speakers). The surround effect is noticeable, though I dont hear anything behind me. There is no soace between my couch and the rear wall so that might be preventing the 2200 from bouncing the sound properly, since the manual recommends for.your sofa to not be against a wall but rather almost in the middle of the room. When using the sound setup tool included in most pixar films (the one that plays sound from each channel) i can clearly notice that the sound is being emited from the correct location except for the rear left and rear right. They seems to be in the middle of the room and not the back (which might be why yamaha recommends the sofa placement in the middle of the room). if you can get one of the best performing sound bars for movies for 500 bucks, then do it. You wont be dissapointed.
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Thanks for the response.

Yes, with the kind of technology Yamaha is employing, acoustically blocking the reflective surfaces in the rear would knock out any rear surround.
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Price target around the USD 500 area. (one can find a YSP 2200 for that price now).

Really? A new one? Where?

The only low prices I remember seeing where @ Barnes & Noble and slickdeals (thru Electronics Expo) but those were old deals.
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