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So I have been looking for a setup for the family room, fairly large room 20X19. Distance from the TV would be about 15 feet, the left side of the wall open to kitchen.

I went to a local store to listen to some speakers infinity and polks and also got the chance to listen to the Yamaha YSP 2300, the guy said that he has the 3300 and it is really good.

I have never considered a soundbar, but this has intrigued me, it helps coz there will be no wires and it will also make the wife happy. He also told me the YSP is actually a sound projector and a receiver in one, its has hdmi connections etc,

But i did not get to ask him if i can stream music from my iphone wirelessly. which is one of the reasons i bought a receiver with airplay capabilities, which i can return if i go with the soundbar option.


So I came home and started reading up and the YSP's which have got some good reviews.
I also found out about the Pioneer Speaker bar and the BW panoramas.

How do all these 3 compare besides prices. Also, since the YSP 3300 and 4300 were released last year, will there be a new model this year and if so when, i don't want to buy something and have them come out with a new model in a few weeks.


My main criteria would be for movies and tv, but also will be listening to music (streaming) ability has to be there. I know the pioneer has Bluetooth steaming, does the YSP and BW have it too.

I am new to soundbars so any suggestions would be valuable.
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There is a new review of the Pioneer at CNET, just posted this week, by a well regarded analyst...it also has some useful comparative info, though I don't recall if it mentions the models you are looking at. Sorry I don't have the link but shouldn't be too hard to find. Basically recommends the Pioneer as being superior soically for music, but if you are looking for something with a lot of punch for movies you might be happier with something else- and he lists some alternatives.
I ordered the Pioneer this week, but I am probably 80/20 music, and a large amount of that is pretty subdued classical/jazz/world...I believe it will be perfecto for me. Good luck.
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Well I went to the store and they did not have the pioneer hooked up, it was just lying there on the shelf. I will have to go back and see if they do hook it up in a couple of days.
I ended up listening to B&W panorama 2, martin logan and Def tech Solo. out of the three I liked the def tech the most, then I went to another store and listened to the YSP 2200, I really wanted to listen to the 3300 or the 4300 but they did not have it.

I think I liked the YSP better than anything , but the def tech were a second close.

I have my left side of the room open to the kitchen and I worry if any of the soundbars will be able to create a surround sound and filling up the whole room. I don't just want sound coming from the front.

I will def give the pioneer speaker bar a try, but lack of hdmi concerns me.
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I think I liked the YSP better than anything , but the def tech were a second close.

I have my left side of the room open to the kitchen and I worry if any of the soundbars will be able to create a surround sound and filling up the whole room. I don't just want sound coming from the front.
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Obviously you need to "bounce" the sound off something to create the effect of surround. Don't forget the paths can be individually longer ie you can bounce one channel further than another. I love my ysp-2200 as it fulfills requirements (clean look, less wires, my lounge doesn't look like a cinema!! etc) and it sites nicely with my other equipment. It lacks pure separation v individual speakers but i do find myself (even after a year of ownership) being amazed when I hear things "around" me.

I have a Harmony One remote which allows me to do some funky tricks, like having music playing from my Sky box with out the tv on etc being able to change the dynamics of the sound with one click ie sports to increase the commentary to the front channel etc

I was lucky that I was able to test the soundbar in my room before buying.
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I've had the Pioneer hooked up for a couple days now and have watched quite a bit of movies/TV to test it out. I've been very pleased with what I'm hearing. Had people over for a viewing party of the Breaking Bad finale last night and everyone agreed the sound was pretty darn good (used to be a Mirage 5.1 setup). I'd go with the Pioneer and save the $1-2k. If you're not happy with it, you can always return it.
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I've had the Pioneer hooked up for a couple days now and have watched quite a bit of movies/TV to test it out. I've been very pleased with what I'm hearing. Had people over for a viewing party of the Breaking Bad finale last night and everyone agreed the sound was pretty darn good (used to be a Mirage 5.1 setup). I'd go with the Pioneer and save the $1-2k. If you're not happy with it, you can always return it.

Is the lack of HDMI something to overlook? so if i have multiple devices, i will just connect it to the tv and then from the tv it will be optical connection to the sound bar. So when you are playing music over bluetooth, does you tv need to be on?
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I can't compare the current versions of the Yamaha or B&W. I own an older YSP. After six months of attempting to get it to sound like surround, I set it to 2-channel. Yamaha uses phase differences and sound delay as well as driver positioning to create the surround effect. My ears are extremely sensitive to out of phase sound so this always bothered me. Some people never hear it.

I tested a B&W in home back in 2011 so it was an older model. It lost out in a shoot-out to a $ 250.00 sound bar from JVC (no longer manufactured and JVC's current crop is not even in the same zip code as the original models). I returned the B&W.

As info, my YSP was replaced by a $ 250.00 Sony CT-100 which was replaced by a $ 100.00 Vizio (don't recall the model #).

My current Inifinity loudspeakers ( $ 1,000.00 per pair and unfortunately it appears Infinity has given up on home audio) are more accurate and for the most part more musical than a system valued at $ 6,000+ from the 1970's that would probably be worth more than $ 30,000+ in today's dollars. I do still miss the transparent mid-range of the Quad electrostatics, but that is mostly nostalgia.

The Pioneer currently sits in my system. It would surprise me if the current iterations from Yamaha or BW have changed very much in thier sonic signature, but that could be the case.

I have been searching since 2009 for either small speakers or a soundbar that would replace my Infinity speakers and still allow me to enjoy some occasional music while being primarily used for HDTV audio. My wife would like the 46" tall black monoliths from Infinity out of her living room and the Pioneer is probably the speaker to give them their walking papers.

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