Originally Posted by Chris1212
Filmmixer, I have to disagree with you unfortunately.
If you buy a modern receiver you would generally accept that it will support most if not all sound formats. Here we are talking about soundbars, which by there very nature are limited. There isn't a soundbar yet that can offer all the features of even a modest receiver.
You said 'This sound bar can only play back 95% OF ALL BLU RAY content in 2.0 from a PS4.... that was not made clear to me by Samsung'. Why should Samsung tell you anything? The specification tells you what it can do, not what it can't. If it doesn't say PCM 5.1 in the specs it doesn't do it.
The Xbox One or One S cannot transcode DTS to DD either so don't bother testing it. Samsung players are well known for their ability to transcode DTS to DD. How do I know this? Countless professional reviews confirm this feature and how it works. Many Sonos playbar owners use Samsung players as they also only accept DD. It is not, as you state, 'just an opinion' that it works. From my personal POV, I've been running very expensive AV systems for 20 years. Due to illness I recently changed it all for a simple setup and decided on the K950. I understood it neither handled DTS above 2.0 or PCM, so bought a Samsung bluray player (not the UHD8500) so I could play all of my bluray collection in a minimum 5.1 without using a faux effect on the soundbar. I have tested lots of discs that I'm familiar with, one example is the shootout in the flat in Die Hard 4. The conversion is perfect from what I can tell having listened to that scene 100's of times, all the rear effects including bullets are where they should be.
In terms of UHD I use an Xbox One S. Virtually all my UHD's are Atmos and therefore play fine with Atmos using the Xbox and the K950. If I eventually get enough UHD's with DTS as the primary format I may buy the 8500 or similar, but there is no justification right now. By that time there may be another soundbar that offers proper surround sound speakers, HDR passthrough and covers all the sound formats, in which case I'll upgrade the bar instead.
It's all about doing the research BEFORE you purchase, hence I have the right kit and why I'm a very happy owner.
PCM output is a mandatory format for Blu Ray support.... I don't "generally accept" the premise that I should not expect a true 5.1 sound bar not to support 5.1 PCM because it's not a receiver.
Every other 5.1 sound bar I've ever seen, including those from Samsung, accepts multichannel PCM... IMO it is a glaring omission and I'm not sure if it is intentional or not... that's what I'm trying to explore.
And every BDA compliant player must support PCM.
I did do my research. That is why o expected to use my PS4 as a BR player... Can you give me a link that says the 950 only supports 2.0 PCM? Just curious..... or a review that says in order to enjoy multichannel audio from >95% BR you must buy a player that can properly transcode DTS to DD, which is not a universal feature in all BR players (the PS4 doesn't do it for example...)..
(BTW you said "The Xbox One or One S cannot transcode DTS to DD either so don't bother testing it...".
It actually does just that... but i suspect it will result in the same mono Surround output with DTS test tones... which is why I'd like to test it. And it also allows you to go the other way and set the bitstream output to DTS IIRC... )
The Xbox One isn't properly outputting transcoded DD bitstream.... so while there is sound coming out of all 5 speakers, it isn't correct.... I suspect the same is true for gaming and apps that don't natively support DD...).
I'm not saying the K8500 doesn't properly transcode to 5.1 DD from DTS, but I've now shown that what is now the most ubiquitous UHD BR player on the market (the One S), by a huge margin, does not function properly. This could be a Microsoft bug... could be an HDMI implementation bug on the K950... who knows.
How have you getting Atmos from your One S? It doesn't officially support DD+ or TrueHD bitstream yet (and has only done so in beta for a select few users at this point in time?). You're an Xbox Preview Member? Sounds like you just got an Xbox One S and the preview program was closed long before the S came to market. Just curious ...
I understand your point of view and opinion.... I am not trying to be dismissive or argumentative.
But I think it's incorrect to say that his limitation has been well documented in reviews or on this thread. Or that a MAJORITY of consumers understand that. I'm glad we're having the discussion... potential buyers now know they have specific and limited options in termed of non-UHD BR playback if they want native 5.1 and not upmixed 2.0.
It's not sour grapes. I'm not returning it, nor do I feel duped.
The limitations of the bar are not going to be understood by most consumers, and we around here are a much more educated and picky bunch.... I would also surmise that many consumers would not understand that they must use the Samsung K8500 if they want to enjoy PROPER 5.1 from non Dolby BR's at this point in time. and not only that, but they must change settings on the player in order to do so when going from BR and UHD BR... I understood most of the limitations going in which is why I thought the two machine solution would work (PS4 for BR, Xbox One S for UHD BR with the upcoming firmware for lossless Dolby streaming...)
I stumbled across an issue as I was watching "Rogue One" on DVD and had sync issues on my XBox One and started to go down the rabbit hole and figure out why.... the title plays perfectly in sync on the PS4... once I started doing testing with my audio test discs the issue with Xbox transcoding came up... it was a happy accident I started testing, and has led me here.
I'm happy for all the owners who are enjoying it... I certainly am one of them...
I just need to find a solution to get proper 5.1 from non Dolby BRs using one of the 4K players I've hooked up through the bar.... and as of now neither the Xbox One S or he PS4 can do that....
. My opinion is that Samsung could "fix"/change this... maybe not, and even if they don't, I am going to be plenty happy with the bar for years to come.
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