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I don't know if it has the best 3D ever, but Sin City: A Dame to Kill For had a very nice 3D presentation. There wasn't much in the way of pop outs, mainly glass and other debris flying towards the camera and snow and other particles wafting in front of the screen but the depth had a very nice layered, pop-up book effect which I really like. Much of the movie was green screen and that, combined with the camera compositions and black and white photography with selective splashes of color really made me notice the depth (black and white photography really enhances the 3D effect for me).

As to the film itself, its your typical "hard-boiled" noire adventure consisting of several loosely interconnected stories all taking place in the seedy Basin City. The film also contains some of Eva Green's best .. ahem ... work, if you know what I mean. Definitely not one to watch with the kids though as it earns its "R" rating.

I found it for $17 at Best Buy and feel I got my money's worth.
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I don't know if it has the best 3D ever, but Sin City: A Dame to Kill For had a very nice 3D presentation. There wasn't much in the way of pop outs, mainly glass and other debris flying towards the camera and snow and other particles wafting in front of the screen but the depth had a very nice layered, pop-up book effect which I really like.
If that's how it looked, then this is bad news, because that's just not what good 3D is. When you see a layered effect, it means that it was a hasty post-con where they took the entire object and moved it to it's L/R parallax offset without remapping it to a 3D surface first. I hate seeing that, and that's what Viewmaster started doing when they didn't have 3D sourced photos: crocked them with cutouts.

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If that's how it looked, then this is bad news, because that's just not what good 3D is. When you see a layered effect, it means that it was a hasty post-con where they took the entire object and moved it to it's L/R parallax offset without remapping it to a 3D surface first. I hate seeing that, and that's what Viewmaster started doing when they didn't have 3D sourced photos: crocked them with cutouts.
The movie's look is hardly realistic, with fanciful backgrounds and all sorts of CG animated enhancements layered on top of the live action. Given the subject matter and the fact that the movie tries very hard to emulate the look of a comic book, I think the pop-up 3D style used is entirely appropriate and perfectly fits and complements the visuals.
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Have to give another vote to the Lichtmond discs as far as best 3d. The Lichtmond titles as far as pure 3d WOW factor and aggression make most 3d films I have seen look weak in comparison (including the overrated Avatar) and I am not the only one to hold this opinion. In the projector forum, the Lichtmond titles are being considered the new 3d torture test as far as testing the ghosting capabilities of projectors/TVs. If Avatar had this type of aggression, it would be deserving of all the 3d praise it gets. Well worth checking out, but be aware that if your display is prone to ghosting, these titles will have it begging for mercy! Give me more 3d like this please!
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Just rewatched the cartoon/short subject "Get A Horse" that is included on the "Frozen" disc and have to say that this mini-movie had the best use of 3D ever in a seven minute cartoon. You can tell the whole production was really well thought out to bring the effects into the theater space and works like a charm. To bad the suits at Disney have denied North America the ability to buy this disc in our region. If you have a chance watch this short using the virtual theater app on a Samsung Gear VR as it really accentuates how the animators wanted the 3D effects to look in the theater. It's amazing! I've been enjoying rewatching my 3D collection on the Gear and it's great fun.

Seeing that 3DTV has died I really feel 3D VR will be the next step in 3D. Still in it's early stage it provides crosstalk free 3D viewing that truly involves you in the scene and action. There has been much hype as to this being the next big thing, and I think it's well deserved, but I can't imagine the masses wearing a headset for 2 hrs to see a feature film when they went ballistic with hate having to wear a pair of lightweight polarized glasses. However, for us 3D fans it may be the only way to view 3D until the next surge of 3D interest in the future.


I agree 100% about the VR stuff being the exciting new tech.

I do have to ask, was the 3D more immersive with the VR or very similar to 3D TV.

I thought that even 2D material would act like 3D.
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I agree 100% about the VR stuff being the exciting new tech.

I do have to ask, was the 3D more immersive with the VR or very similar to 3D TV.

I thought that even 2D material would act like 3D.

When using the GearVR I feel the feeling of depth on both axises, in front and behind the screen, are comparable to that seen on the active 3D TVs I have owned. I would rate the pop out to be the same and I'm basing that on watching the movie "The Bubble" on 3DTV and with the GearVR. Those who have seen it know this movie has the in your face pop-out so frowned upon by todays "serious" filmmakers. In the case of "Get A Horse" the pop-out effects are enhanced as you are viewing them within the proscenium of a movie theater screen the way I imagine the cartoon's creators planned. In the virtual VR theater space the "stage" in front of the movie screen appears to be in front of the screen in the theater space just as it did when you saw it in 3D at the cinema. It's a terrific effect and one mostly missed when you watch this in 3D on your home setup. Also all 3D content is enhanced in the VR theater due to the blessed lack of crosstalk. The resolution, of course, is not HD quality as your eyes are right on top of a cellphone screen and pixels are noticeable. I have grown use to this and assume it will improve in future units with higher pixel density. The Note 5 is reported to have a 4K AMOLED display. Strictly speaking a 5.9in AMOLED with a - frankly ridiculous - pixel density of 743ppi. This would equate to a native resolution of 2160×3840 pixels. This should provide with a much sharper picture.


As far as 2D material acting like 3D, this is not the case as 2D remains 2D. You need a 3D source to view a 3D image.
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A good one is Yogi Bear. The scene in the beginning where he is looking through the telescope and when he is flying through the air has some really good pop out (the corn chip to the right was right in front of me!). Not sure if this movie was mentioned.
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It's not a movie per se, but I just bought David Attenborough: The 3D Collection from The Large Internet Retailer (named after a rainforest) .
After watching it for only 20 minutes (out of approximately 9 hours of footage), it left me speechless.

I highly suggest this to anyone who has a 3D setup.

Even though this appears to be a UK release, it works fine on my Region A Blu-Ray player.
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I picked up Tiny Giants 3d from BB, its a rather awesome watch for a nature movie. Though I have a feeling some scenes were staged or edited together. I just dont see how they could follow a chipmunk being chased by an owl at night with a 3d camera that close.
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It's not a movie per se, but I just bought David Attenborough: The 3D Collection from The Large Internet Retailer (named after a rainforest) .
After watching it for only 20 minutes (out of approximately 9 hours of footage), it left me speechless.

I highly suggest this to anyone who has a 3D setup.

Even though this appears to be a UK release, it works fine on my Region A Blu-Ray player.

I need to dive into this series as I have had it here for about a year now and have only watched a few episodes of Micro Monsters. To be honest, I was not impressed with the 3d with those initial few episodes after reading all the hype, but I will reserve full judgment until I watch more. What did you watch exactly?

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I need to dive into this series as I have had it here for about a year now and have only watched a few episodes of Micro Monsters. To be honest, I was not impressed with the 3d with those initial few episodes after reading all the hype, but I will reserve full judgment until I watch more. What did you watch exactly?
I watched the first 20 minutes of the plants one.

On the back of the box it does say that shutter glasses are required, which I was using.
I'm curious to know if it really matters whether one uses shutter glasses or the polarized glasses. I would think it shouldn't matter.

I also noticed that the front of the case for the plants disc had a different production company logo in the bottom left than that of the other two. Not sure if that means anything with regard to the 3D quality.
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A really great 3D movie is the Werner Herzog documentary, "Cave of Forgotten Dreams". The bluray has both 3D and 2D versions on one disk.

The difference in looking at these fantastic, 30,000-year-old cave paintings between 3D to 2D is amazing (because 3D reveals the shape of the rocks on which the paintings are drawn). This film also has some of the earliest use of 3D shots from a drone.

Other good 3D films on bluray:
Beauty and the Beast (costs about $25 for the UK region-free import, rental is only slightly cheaper)
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ok so whats the best 3d bluray movie to get so far?? i plan on buying one today. i did a little research but its between cloudy,monsters vs aliens , and monster house unless i hear different from u guys.
Judge Dredd, best 3D movie ever.

Well, Jackass 3D is up there too.

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When using the GearVR I feel the feeling of depth on both axises, in front and behind the screen, are comparable to that seen on the active 3D TVs I have owned. I would rate the pop out to be the same and I'm basing that on watching the movie "The Bubble" on 3DTV and with the GearVR. Those who have seen it know this movie has the in your face pop-out so frowned upon by todays "serious" filmmakers. In the case of "Get A Horse" the pop-out effects are enhanced as you are viewing them within the proscenium of a movie theater screen the way I imagine the cartoon's creators planned. In the virtual VR theater space the "stage" in front of the movie screen appears to be in front of the screen in the theater space just as it did when you saw it in 3D at the cinema. It's a terrific effect and one mostly missed when you watch this in 3D on your home setup. Also all 3D content is enhanced in the VR theater due to the blessed lack of crosstalk. The resolution, of course, is not HD quality as your eyes are right on top of a cellphone screen and pixels are noticeable. I have grown use to this and assume it will improve in future units with higher pixel density. The Note 5 is reported to have a 4K AMOLED display. Strictly speaking a 5.9in AMOLED with a - frankly ridiculous - pixel density of 743ppi. This would equate to a native resolution of 2160×3840 pixels. This should provide with a much sharper picture.


As far as 2D material acting like 3D, this is not the case as 2D remains 2D. You need a 3D source to view a 3D image.
Didn't know about the 4K Note 5, that should be great. Although a 4K at the size of the S6 would give 943 PPI and there is already a 4K OLED at that size coming out in 2016.

VR is going to mature very quickly thanks to the smartphone retina display generation. Retina is really 8K for VR goggle distances though. But 4K is going to rock. A co-worker showed me his QHD OLED smartphone with a streaming app to play VR games from his PC. Although over Wifi apparently it's too laggy, you have to plug it in wired via USB to get decent response time.
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A really great 3D movie is the Werner Herzog documentary, "Cave of Forgotten Dreams". The bluray has both 3D and 2D versions on one disk.
Thanks for the heads- up, ordered. There is another one I thus noticed, supposedly without region coding: http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B00B...A3JWKAKR8XB7XF

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Thunder and the House of Magic had some of the best 3D I have seen so far. I am about to watch Madgascar 3.
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Hi All,

Does this have to be movies seen through blu ray or can it also pertain to 3D films seen on cable? We have HBO, etc. on demand which includes 3D titles for three.

The best we've seen so far of the limited amount that were filmed in true 3D for both effect AND story was "The Great Gadsby".
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I know you guys are talking about movies but the best 3D I've seen is on the "Lichtmond" blu-rays, absolutely amazing! Granted it's music, not a movie but damn! They are posted as being region B but they are all region, at least when ordering through Amazon.de.
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I HIGHLY recommend anyone that thinks that amazing 3D computer graphics set to German house music might be interesting (or just play your own music while watching). This is the blacklight poster of the 21st Century. Very cool, thanks for posting.
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Speaking of 3D, Avatar will be the best on my own. Much has already been said about how much attention James Cameron paid to the 3D aspect of "Avatar". This 3D effect of Avatar really gave deep impression to audiences when they saw it in theaters. It was one of those films that was better in 3D than 2D. We can't say it's one of those movies you want to watch over and over, but it's still one of the most impressive live-action 3D movies. 
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1. Avatar

Much has already been said about how much attention James Cameron paid to the 3D aspect of "Avatar". This 3D effect of Avatar really gave deep impression to audiences when they saw it in theaters. It was one of those films that was better in 3D than 2D. We can't say it's one of those movies you want to watch over and over, but it's still one of the most impressive live-action 3D movies.

2.Gravity

Like “Avatar”, Gravity is another blockbuster of 3D movie field. Some people are more blown away by "Gravity" than others, but there's no denying it's one of those movies that not only not looks great in 3D, with excellent depth and good pop-out effects, but also one where the 3D enhances the viewing experience.


3. Furious 7

3D effect in Furious 7 makes people get passionate, especially fast cars scenes. I think this will be the favor of big men. Watching it at home with friends will be nice experience.


4. Avengers


"Avengers" maybe should rank of as one of best 3D films for it looks fantastic, with eye-popping color and supersharp video that delivers real wow factor in its 3D presentation.


5.Hugo

This is one of our reference 3D Blu-rays. Director Martin Scorsese paid careful attention to the 3D, and the movie has great depth in a lot of its scenes. The film isn't as kid-friendly as many of the animated titles on the list, but adults seem to like it just fine.

6. How to Train Your Dragon

"How to Train your Dragon" has gotten a lot of props for its 3D version (no shocker, a bunch animated dragons flying around do lend themselves well to 3D). It's also an entertaining flick with good humor and replay value.

7.Tangled

"Tangled" was a comeback hit for Disney's animation studio and looks really good in 3D (and not just her hair).

8. Jurassic Park

Jurassic Park is given to too much attention for its series. Although its 3D effect can’t be compared with Avatar and Gravity, it still does not disappoint people.


9. Life of Pi

"Life of Pi" is a beautifully filmed movie that has some really nice 3D effects that enhance the viewing experience. Sometimes, your focus is even detracted by it. Its crisp video looks great in 2D but has that little extra wow in 3D.

10. Brave

"Brave" may not rank of as one of best Pixar films of all time but it looks fantastic, with eye-popping color and supersharp video that delivers real wow factor in its 3D presentation.
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You really should look at what was done in the 1950's for reference-quality 3-D.

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These days if you get a director that uses two lenses to shoot a 3D film, you should count yourself lucky. Pretty much all Marvel movies or anything with a lot of CGI you get the look of 3D but without the sense of 3D depth and realism with two lenses. It's like a layered or stacked feel.

Transformers Age of Extinction was really high quality HD with the new IMAX camera and believable 3D. I would put that one above Avengers. These wouldn't all be on my top ten. I probably wouldn't have any animated titles in mine. Avatar, Gravity and Hugo would probably make it. Gravity is a good example of a converted movie or hybrid as some of it was real 3D. The depth isn't great but it's enough that it adds realism and perspective. Since most of the backdrops are the darkness of space, converted 3D works fairly well here.

Recently viewed Creature of the Black Lagoon, Dial M For Murder, yes I agree. This is how 3D should look, but way too much CGI in movies now and it's easier to convert. The problem I see isn't that converted 3D is ruining 3D films, it's that there aren't enough general genre movies being made in 3D the way they were back in the 50's.

A movie like Dial M For Murder, would never be made in 3D now. This is a suspense crime film and any director that would take this project now would shoot it in 2D. 3D seems to have settled down into the animated, action, special effects films when it should really be expanding and opening up into mainstream films.

This year doesn't look to be any different, the top 3D films will be: Furious 7, Avengers, Mad Max, Jurassic World and Star Wars VII. All of these are converted titles. Looking at last years biggest 3D titles: Spider-Man 2, Winter Soldier, Edge of Tomorrow, Godzilla, a few others. But were any of these quality 3D? Transformers, Hobbit 3, Dawn of the Planet of the Apes, Exodus (on order, haven't seen). Filmed in 3D, and look amazing. Bigger budget movies throw the conversion in viewers flock to see it then complain the 3D added nothing. I'm ready for 3D to expand.

It's time for movies like Dial M For Murder in 3D. No special effects, no converted 3D 6 months after shooting in 2D. I can complain all day long how bad the 3D is in Godzilla and Edge of Tomorrow, it won't change anything. And honestly, maybe these type of 3D movies have their place. But what about real 3D? Honestly, at this point looking at what's coming in the next few years, real 3D is dead.
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If anybody believes that quality 3-D began with James Cameron, there is much to learn.

My personal top ten vintage 3-D on Blu-ray list: http://www.hometheaterforum.com/topi...-d-on-blu-ray/
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Honestly, at this point looking at what's coming in the next few years, real 3D is dead.
Not dead. Still have the Avatar sequels for starters. Its just going to be a small percentage of all 3D releases.

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You really should look at what was done in the 1950's for reference-quality 3-D.
It was precisely because of that 50's in-your-face style of 3D that 3D was given the "gimmicky" attribution and kept that attribution for decades.


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If anybody believes that quality 3-D began with James Cameron, there is much to learn.
I do, and quality 3D absolutely *did* begin with James Cameron. I'm sorry but prior to Avatar:

1. There was no seriously designed 3D movie where positive parallax was used substantially. This is what really made us all pay attention. Avatar was the sole reason I even considered getting a 3D TV in the first place. Soon after Avatar, other 3D movies followed suit.

2. Extending #1 above, I've seen 3D movies off and on my whole life, but not until Avatar did I ever see a 3D movie where I completely forgot it was 3D and just became immersed into the story line. That only happened with James Cameron. That is what every director since has tried to emulate.

From time to time there are these Cameron deniers out there that try to claim that some kind of revisionist history is going on here. They'll try anything to say "but but but but Cameron wasn't the first."

For the kind of 3D I talk about above? The kind that spawned off an era of blockbusters in both formats? Yes he was.
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Will Fast 7 be available on disc in 3d, in at least region free?

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It was precisely because of that 50's in-your-face style of 3D that 3D was given the "gimmicky" attribution and kept that attribution for decades.




I do, and quality 3D absolutely *did* begin with James Cameron. I'm sorry but prior to Avatar:

1. There was no seriously designed 3D movie where positive parallax was used substantially. This is what really made us all pay attention. Avatar was the sole reason I even considered getting a 3D TV in the first place. Soon after Avatar, other 3D movies followed suit.

2. Extending #1 above, I've seen 3D movies off and on my whole life, but not until Avatar did I ever see a 3D movie where I completely forgot it was 3D and just became immersed into the story line. That only happened with James Cameron. That is what every director since has tried to emulate.

From time to time there are these Cameron deniers out there that try to claim that some kind of revisionist history is going on here. They'll try anything to say "but but but but Cameron wasn't the first."

For the kind of 3D I talk about above? The kind that spawned off an era of blockbusters in both formats? Yes he was.
That's not true.

You really need to see more Golden Age 3-D and not the gimmick-fests of the 1980's.

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If anybody believes that quality 3-D began with James Cameron, there is much to learn.

My personal top ten vintage 3-D on Blu-ray list: http://www.hometheaterforum.com/topi...-d-on-blu-ray/
I agree, it didn't begin with Avatar, it was more of a revival and what full HD 3D potential could be without the flaws of 3d projection of the past. Avatar was the beginning of the newest generation of 3D. All one must do is visit some of these older 3D films to see they knew how to get 3D done right.

Avatar must be the best 3D film of all time according to this eBay listing (lol!): http://www.ebay.com/itm/Avatar-Blu-r...item3a95d58c21

Get your copy now before they're all gone!

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If you want to see high quality 3-D direction and cinematography, I highly recommend the 1950's stereoscopic work of John Alton, Raoul Walsh, Douglas Sirk, Roy Baker, Chuck Jones, Robert Burks, Daniel L. Fapp, George Sidney, Norman McLaren, Charles Smith, Raymond Spottiswoode, John Norling, William Cameron Menzies, Walt Disney, Jack Arnold, Budd Boetticher, Charles Roscher, Hal Wallis and Alfred Hitchcock.

Even Cameron's stereo camera rigs are not original and largely based on designs from the 1950's.
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