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I think I found the correct MBV 3D Blu Ray at Best Buy's web site. It's sku # 1330815 and costs $34.99.
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To all Samsung owners it seems to be the best way to view this with minimized ghosting is to set your 3D view to +5, still some ghosting but way more tolerable, I found watching N/3D also had a much improved picture with great depth and very little if any ghosting via Direct TV.
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To all Samsung owners it seems to be the best way to view this with minimized ghosting is to set your 3D view to +5, still some ghosting but way more tolerable, I found watching N/3D also had a much improved picture with great depth and very little if any ghosting via Direct TV.

That simply makes objects in the foreground ghost less. -5 makes things in the background ghost less. I generally leave it in the middle now as it only makes certain layers ghost free.
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This movie has the worst ghosting I have ever seen, I hope this isn't the future of 3G. Btw I'm watching on samsung 58 inch plasma 3d
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This movie has the worst ghosting I have ever seen, I hope this isn't the future of 3G. Btw I'm watching on samsung 58 inch plasma 3d

Most people complaining about bad ghosting seem to have Samsung 3D plasma TV's. Hmmmm, I see a pattern here.
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I meant 3d, lol
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It seems you are right, but would it only be this movie? I have plenty of 3d content from espn 3d, Alice in wonderland 3d, Cott, coraline etc, although not all perfect but not nearly as bad as this movie. Any ideas? Glasses maybe?
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Yea its only this movie.. Must just be something with the format of the transfer with the Samsung Plasmas and LED Tv's.. I bet this could happen to any other brand too with another title.

Because there is NO real solid explanation for this.
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It seems you are right, but would it only be this movie? I have plenty of 3d content from espn 3d, Alice in wonderland 3d, Cott, coraline etc, although not all perfect but nearly as bad as this movie. Any ideas? Glasses maybe?

Glasses maybe? To bad you just can't got try another brand to see what happens.
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Panasonic users have reported the same ghosting. I really can't see more than say a 5% difference between Panasonic and Samsung plasmas (with updated firmware) in this regard. LCD/LEDs is another story.
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We must be doing something wrong, because this looks absolutely terrible on our Bravia NX810. Glasses are no, but movies is blurry and I'm seeing green tint on the edges of people. We're getting a better 3D view with the cheapies that were included. Not sure if it's the settings on our set or the PS3. Might be the sensor has a tough time in daylight. Going to try later tonight.

I cannot imagine it looks this poor. If this what's to be expected, 3D will be a big fail.

Hoping for better results later tonight.
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Are you sure you have the correct 3d version? It sounds like you have the old red and blue glasses version
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If you bought the version that includes the green/magenta glasses in the package, you have the 2009 anaglyph copy. This will work with any blu-player and HD set. No 3-D set is needed. It won't work with shutter glasses.

You want the new 2010 disc with the Blu-ray 3D logo and sticker with a picture of active glasses on the cover. It's currently exclusive to Best Buy and is selling for $34.99.
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If you bought the version that includes the green/magenta glasses in the package, you have the 2009 anaglyph copy. This will work with any blu-player and HD set. No 3-D set is needed. It won't work with shutter glasses.

You want the new 2010 disc with the Blu-ray 3D logo and sticker with a picture of active glasses on the cover. It's currently exclusive to Best Buy and is selling for $34.99.

Thanks Steve. I had purchased the BluRay 3D, but evidently not the one that supports 3D TV's.
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Thanks Steve. I had purchased the BluRay 3D, but evidently not the one that supports 3D TV's.

Yea, easy to pick up the wrong one... Make sure it has a blue sticker on it that says BLU-RAY 3D
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Yea, easy to pick up the wrong one... Make sure it has a blue sticker on it that says BLU-RAY 3D

It also says "Blu-Ray 3D" in a blue stripe at the top of the picture.
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Best Buy was good enough to allow me to exchange it. my wife and I had a good laugh. We were watching fifties style 3D with our fancy new active shutter glasses.
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Best Buy was good enough to allow me to exchange it. my wife and I had a good laugh. We were watching fifties style 3D with our fancy new active shutter glasses.

Fifties style is not anaglyph. There were a few but most were real 3D, not red/blue crap.
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Best Buy was good enough to allow me to exchange it. my wife and I had a good laugh. We were watching fifties style 3D with our fancy new active shutter glasses.

LMAO! I can just see you watching the movie yelling at the screen, oh this 3D sucks!


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Fifties style is not anaglyph. There were a few but most were real 3D, not red/blue crap.

Any who, you get what he means....
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None of the 3-D features in the 1950s were anaglyph. All of them used polarized clear glasses at the time, only a couple of short subjects were released in anaglyphic form. People get confused because some of the movies were later converted to anaglyph for re-issue and TV showings, but that happened decades later.

In short, 50s style 3-D was the same polarized glasses as now. The only thing new about today's 3-D is that it is shot and projected digitally, not on film.
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Watching the correct Blu-Ray 3D was entertaining. Movie itself wasn't great, but it was a good first 3D movie. I was anxious to see things flying out of the screen and this movie certainly delivered.

I don't see myself watching too many 3D movies, but it's certainly something I'd watch on occasion if there is a really good move made for 3D. That being said, I'm already tired of the $35 price tag for a movie. Let's hope Netflix starts carrying Blu-Ray 3D.
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Best Buy was good enough to allow me to exchange it. my wife and I had a good laugh. We were watching fifties style 3D with our fancy new active shutter glasses.

I'll bet you guys aren't the only 3-D 'newbies' to be caught out on that one.

Still, your posting conjured a VERY funny image...
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I don't see myself watching too many 3D movies, but it's certainly something I'd watch on occasion if there is a really good move made for 3D. That being said, I'm already tired of the $35 price tag for a movie. Let's hope Netflix starts carrying Blu-Ray 3D.

You just have to hunt around for the deals right now. On ebay I was able to get Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs and Monster House for under $22 each shipped. I was also able to buy My Bloody Valentine from a forum member on a different board for $25. The money I saved with those can buy me another 3D blu-ray eventually.
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Fifties style is not anaglyph. There were a few but most were real 3D, not red/blue crap.


so how are you going to do real 3d in the 50's before the advent of the LCD (for the shutter glasses). Did they use the polarization method?
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See post #110.

Short answer, yes, polarized 3-D has been the traditional method of 3-D projection for six decades, including all the feature films released in the 1950's boom.

There have only been a tiny handful of anaglyph releases to theaters over the years, mostly porn or 2-D movies with short 3-D sequences tacked on. A few of the classic 3-D films (originally released in polarized form) were downconverted to anaglyph for TV or matinees, but this happened much later and of course these versions look nothing like the original 3-D prints.

Back on topic: I didn't think the MBV blu-ray 3-D looked so bad; a bit more ghosting than I'd like but hardly terrible.
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I saw a good amount of ghosting on my VT25 but I stopped noticing it after a few beers.

Some of the Comcast on demand content has awful ghosting. Dinosaurs Alive and the Seigfried and Roy one were pretty bad. Probably wouldn't have made it through Seigfried and Roy even if it had no ghosting though.
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I to feel everyone is being especially hard on this movie. I actually like it as a cheezy slasher flick. It does have a lot more ghosting than other films available but it also has alot of very dark scenes that are hard for most 3D processes to handle without a glitch. It's just great to finally have a live action 3D feature to enjoy. And it has some nice scenes that show off the depth of the image well. Ghosting will show up when you have high contrast images against each other and that's a 3D fact for most of our 3DTV systems. There are work arounds when you film and light the shot but that black telephone pole in the background against a bright blue sky is going to give most systems a problem at this time. I'm hopeful the technology will improve in the near future but for now we all have to live with it of watch the flat version. I'm continuing to enjoy my Samsung LED set regardless that it's not perfect and just want the studios to bring on the content.
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you know what the strange thing is. I watched this movie again and this time i had my head completely tilted back on the couch, so the glasses were facing the tv at a different angle, and i noticed significantly less ghosting. This leads me to believe that most of these ghosting issues are caused by the glasses not shuttering fast enough. I wish the xpand 103 were out, so we can do a comparison.
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Seems that the movie is not available in Canada.

Anyone interested in selling their copy or shipping me a copy from BB?

Send me a PM if interested.

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you know what the strange thing is. I watched this movie again and this time i had my head completely tilted back on the couch, so the glasses were facing the tv at a different angle, and i noticed significantly less ghosting. This leads me to believe that most of these ghosting issues are caused by the glasses not shuttering fast enough. I wish the xpand 103 were out, so we can do a comparison.

It's not just that shutter glasses aren't synced properly. Even if the sync is perfect, 3D shutter glasses don't block all the light they should. It's easy to see with the right test images. AVS Forum member Frank posted some homemade side by side 3D images. One side of the image was black, the other a normal half res picture of his dog. Display that image in SbS mode with active shutter glasses and one eye should see a normal image, while the other should see nothing. The problem is that the eye that should see no image clearly shows a ghost image of the dog. This is true for Frank's Panasonic VT20 3D TV and for my Samsung C8000 3D TV.

This is the difference between crosstalk and ghosting. All 3D shutter glasses have some crosstalk. That is, part of an image from one eye view bleeds through to the other eye. Ghosting is the crosstalk that we notice. My Bloody Valentine exhibits ghosting more so than any other 3D film I have. That's because it has so many dark scenes with high contrast objects - such as bright lights in the mine. The higher the contrast, the more likely we are to see ghosting. It's easy to blame the movie, or the 3D TV, or the glasses, but it's not that simple. If the 3D TV's sync signal isn't accurate, it can lead to ghosting. If the movie isn't shot with 3D in mind, the high contrast can contribute to ghosting. Some shutter glasses let through more light when they're closed than others. That contributes to ghosting.

Ideally, filmmakers shouldn't have to worry about ghosting. In a perfect world, there would be no crosstalk. One day, we'll get there, but right now we have to put up with some of it. It's the case for 3D shutter glasses and for passive polarized 3D systems, too. They don't block out all the light they should, either. No system, and no manufacturer of 3D products (displays or glasses), is perfect.

I've chosen not to stress too much about it. I know that current 3D technologies have problems, and it's just the price I have to pay to enjoy 3D in my own home. It's a small price, and I'm hoping that this time around, 3D will enjoy enough success that these problems will be solved.

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