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Looks like Inception may be getting a 3D conversion:

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=5927
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I wish. That will give us another thing to discuss about Inception - perhaps the most discussed film of the decade.
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Inception Makers Not Involved in 3D

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Last week, reports indicated that Christopher Nolan was working on a stereoscopic conversion of Inception to release it on 3D Blu-ray (see Blu-ray.com, February 25). However, Wally Pfister ASC, the film's Oscar-winning director of photography, now has clarified that, while a 3D release is "definitely" going to happen, he's not taking part in that endeavor, and neither is Nolan. "In terms of what's happening with Inception, you know, Chris and I are like-minded in that way," he said.

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When it came to discussing the 3D revolution, Nolan had an intriguing and fresh perspective on the subject. With Warner Bros. announcing all their tentpole films from here out will be released in 3D, this is an important conversation to have with the likely director
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Seems like 3d is picking up some momentum, not fading away.
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Inception Makers Not Involved in 3D

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=5944

Wow as director of the movie he has no input on this

The studio can do what ever they want with the movie without nolan
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Having a problem with this. In some recent articles, it has been stated that the justification to re-master 3D films (financially) isn't there yet so some are not being re-mastered.

WB spent $5M to do the 2D to 3D conversion for CLASH OF THE TITANS. AFAIK, that has been the cheapest cost yet to do a 2D to 3D conversion. Have they come up with some process that does it for a fraction of that price? How many copies do they think they would sell?
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This is interesting to say the least. I would be willing to see this again in 3D
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Having a problem with this. In some recent articles, it has been stated that the justification to re-master 3D films (financially) isn't there yet so some are not being re-mastered.

WB spent $5M to do the 2D to 3D conversion for CLASH OF THE TITANS. AFAIK, that has been the cheapest cost yet to do a 2D to 3D conversion. Have they come up with some process that does it for a fraction of that price? How many copies do they think they would sell?
If the conversion is so costly why in the hell would anyone convert GRIZZLY ADAMS? To spend that much and sell a copy to all 3 people interested in the movie doesn't make much sense financially. What's next, LITTLE HOUSE ON THE PRAIRIE? The powers that be are he'll bent on destroying 3D. We need watchable, quality content available to everyone for 3D to survive. INCEPTION makes more sense than GRIZZLY.

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I just want to know if they'll release all TOY STORY movies in 3D one day for Blu-Ray.
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I had heard about this last year, but back then there was talk about this being an HBO exclusive, to help HBO promote their own 3D On Demand Channel. Not sure if I'd pick this up if it was on disc-only, since I already have the regular BluRay.
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I'd buy Inception in 3D in a nanosecond.
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I just want to know if they'll release all TOY STORY movies in 3D one day for Blu-Ray.

Disney & Pixar know they have a winner on their hands with the prospect of releasing the Toy Store franchise in 3D. Therefore it would not surprise me if they elected to wait until there is a higher sales penetration percentage for 3D blu ray players and 3D TVs before releasing this franchise in 3D. At the end of the day that approach would allow them to maximize their profits.

That being said, I would love for Disney to release these movies in 3D ASAP.
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Disney & Pixar know they have a winner on their hands with the prospect of releasing the Toy Store franchise in 3D. Therefore it would not surprise me if they elected to wait until there is a higher sales penetration percentage for 3D blu ray players and 3D TVs before releasing this franchise in 3D. At the end of the day that approach would allow them to maximize their profits.

That being said, I would love for Disney to release these movies in 3D ASAP.

No mention of the TS movies in their CES 2011 3D BD announcement. Of course, doesn't mean it won't happen. Maybe just not this year.

http://www.satelliteguys.us/2011-ces...lt-disney.html
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Disney & Pixar know they have a winner on their hands with the prospect of releasing the Toy Store franchise in 3D. Therefore it would not surprise me if they elected to wait until there is a higher sales penetration percentage for 3D blu ray players and 3D TVs before releasing this franchise in 3D.

All three of them have already been shown in 3D on SkyTV in the UK.
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Having a Teranex VC 100 here for development of it's integration and control in a converted to 3D and 4K At all times screening room, I have seen very effective conversions of both Inception and Toy Story 2. In fact just by showing Nolan the Paris Streets Folding Backwards scene where Leo and the Gal take that first up the wall step, you can see incredible depth going all the way down that street.

Having become a bit of an expert in finding artifacts under different fx intensities the post production costs would vary greatly depending on the movie. Anime, Abstract crank it up to +4 and don't worry about ghosting,for anyhting shot in 2-D without much special FX like Catalog titles: Where the Eagles Dare, Passage to India, BD Travelogues Over America, Gardens of Europe, Trains even porno etc. leave the FX at a moderate FACTORY setting (in the vc-100 a -2) and leave it, want a little more beau relief? cranking up to 0 will give you an occasional ghost in high contrast contours, this can be photoshopped (in warners case badly as seen in the first print of COT-but later corrected).

I have come to the conclusion that the contour double beveling seen on COT and Piranha are the result of the post production photo-shopping of contiguous-boundary contrast disparities in a conversion set to create moderate to high intensity, a much better solution would be to reduce the intensity during those high contrast contiguous-boundary scenes and not have to deal with the artifact in post.

10 years from now the dimensionalisation algorithms will be so good that we will be playing the 2-D version and converting on our own. Still for the action to populatre the front lobe of the Percival zone of comfort YOU NEED REAL 3D.
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watched this movie the other night again and it would be amazing in 3d as long as it's a good 3d conversion
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Anyone hear anything more on this topic? I would love it in 3d.
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Not interested. If Nolan or Chuck Norris ain't involved, then I'm not buying.
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I like 3D, and I like Christopher Nolan, and I like that he just doesn't want to do 3D and I like his reasons why. So I personally wish they wouldn't convert his films. He didn't intend them to be watched that way.

And I also love that he is all about innovating IMAX. Those IMAX scenes from Dark Knight are burned into my memory.

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I like 3D, and I like Christopher Nolan, and I like that he just doesn't want to do 3D and I like his reasons why. So I personally wish they wouldn't convert his films. He didn't intend them to be watched that way.

And I also love that he is all about innovating IMAX. Those IMAX scenes from Dark Knight are burned into my memory.

You will be pleased to know that he will be shooting even more scenes in IMAX for The Dark Knight Rises.

And the new Mission Impossible film will have IMAX sequences
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I like 3D, and I like Christopher Nolan, and I like that he just doesn't want to do 3D and I like his reasons why. So I personally wish they wouldn't convert his films. He didn't intend them to be watched that way.
Nolan probably (and I'm pretty sure) didn't intend anyone to watch his movies on a 120" or bigger screen at home either with a projector that probably renders a better image than that found in a commercial theater. His movies are intended to be watched in a commercial theater along with just about all other directors movies. I bet he didn't intend his movies to be watched on an ipad either, but that's not stopping anyone. I'm watching his movies on a 120" screen at home and I personally don't care what he thinks about it. If someone does a good conversion of Inception I'll buy it.
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The 2D to 3D conversion process will always have a serious technical limitation, especially with many movies using special effects for the background, like Inception. The conversion process can position the actors in stereo but the background where all the maneuvering is done was a green screen and separating a chroma key in 3D space is not yet within our present day technology. 3D actors in front of a flat 2D background, especially with Inception where that is the main fascination somehow just doesn't do it for me. I hope they surprise me, however.
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The 2D to 3D conversion process will always have a serious technical limitation, especially with many movies using special effects for the background, like Inception. The conversion process can position the actors in stereo but the background where all the maneuvering is done was a green screen and separating a chroma key in 3D space is not yet within our present day technology. 3D actors in front of a flat 2D background, especially with Inception where that is the main fascination somehow just doesn't do it for me. I hope they surprise me, however.


I agree wholeheartedly with your comments.

That was the crux of the points I was trying to get across during my 5 minute argument with Cameron about the Teranex VC-100. Which apparently the points did get across from a certain visitors stopping subsequently to an NAB booth.

At one point he says:

Look take a camera and put it through your Teranex, then film it in stereo and compare..." I interrupted him.

I don't film anything, I just do screening rooms with bleeding edge kit.
However to add insult to injury I took your film,

and all of a sudden he is looking intently,

I put it trough the teranex and then I compared it to the Panasonic version of it.

"and and?"

It didn't work.

"You see???"

Then I pointed to his face and said:

But that is because of your CGI's!! Because if you take any movie shot in the sixties and seventies, even a recent movie,like .... What is the name of this recent Heady movie from Guadalcanal?.... The name escapes me...

"If you are going to come to confront me you better come prepared!!!"

A Thin red line, there where the navy armada is cutting water -right there and then is where I realized why you would want to convert Titanic, seeing those ships cutting water is some of the best 2d to 3d conversion I have ever seen.

The discussion went on for another 30 seconds or so and people from lightstrom did visit teranex at the subsequent nab. The rest I am keeping mum.
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James Cameron Releases Scenes From Titanic 3D
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In a similar exercise to promote Avatar, Paramount Pictures have pre-released eight scenes of the upcoming converted version of Titanic, designed to create a buzz and kill off any doubts that the conversion will tarnish Cameron's 1997 blockbuster.
review dividing line James Cameron Releases Scenes From Titanic 3D

James Cameron and Titanic Producer Jon Landau presented the footage to bloggers and Journalists at the Paramount Lot yesterday and received glowing feedback from the audience.

"I think it looks spectacular," said Cameron in an introduction before the presentation. He continued If I had 3D cameras at the time and there had been 3D theatres at the time, I certainly would have shot it in 3D."

James Cameron and Jon Landau carefully selected clips based on what would trigger memories of the film and condensed the arc of the film within 18 minutes.

The Oscar Award winning film is being converted into 3D by a team of 300 artists at a cost of 18 million dollars, a tiny fraction of the likely profits the film is likely to generate. By the time they will have finished, the team will have spent 60 weeks converting the film (compared to the 9 weeks it took to convert Clash of the Titans although that conversion did employ many more artists).

James Cameron recently screened 18 minutes of the film at the IBC in Amsterdam, at the time saying "It is a highly subjective process and mind-numbingly tedious. It literally is as simple as asking yourself - is that character in the foreground or background of another character? and making them bigger or smaller accordingly. You have to take depth cues from every part of the frame."

It is fair to say that audiences at both yesterday's and IBC's screenings were blown away by the quality of the conversion. Steve 'Frosty' Weintraub from Collider.com said The footage I saw this morning left me speechless. I'm not joking around when I say it's the best post conversion I've ever seen and it looks like they originally shot it in 3D back in 1997.

Brian Gallagher from Movieweb.com said As James Cameron mentioned before, they spent a lot of time making sure this looked as beautiful as it could, and that level of commitment shines through every frame. This isn't gimmicky 3D. This isn't break-the-plane shock value 3D. This is, simply put, James Cameron 3D, at its finest.

Cameron said he is still against post 2D to 3D conversion compared to filming with stereoscopic cameras but believes that if it is done right there are some titles that should be converted. And doing it right' sounds incredibly tedious as Cameron explained

"I'm very much against conversion, for films that have a choice, but I do believe that there are some titles, think of your 10 or 20 favourite movies of all time, that I think should be converted to 3D, but it has to be done right. By the time we're finished, we'll have spent 60 weeks and about $18 million, working with 300 artists between two companies. It's an extremely labour-intensive process. I've got a team of three technical people within our company, who look at every image, several times over, and give notes based on what they know. They know their way around 3D very well, so they process it and bring it up to me in two or three or four-hour sessions, where I'm going through, frame by frame, multiple times, until the depth is worked out. Even then, it's not perfect. It's 2.99D, it's not really 3D. The point I'm trying to make is most conversions which are done in a hurry-up way in post-production, are 2.4D."

Before the conversion process started, the original 35mm film was digitally re-mastered at an upscaled resolution of 4K (four times HD) and was colour corrected and cleaned up'. Both 2D and 3D versions will be released worldwide on April 6th 2012.

The 2D to 3D conversion of Titanic is likely to surprise movie-goers who do not regard conversion as an equal to filming in native 3D but there can be no denying that conversion is improving all the time. Audiences at the Creating New 3D Experiences conference at MIPCOM earlier this month were shown a colourised, 3D converted version of Harold Lloyd's Safety Last film - it was impossible to distinguish that it had not been originally filmed in 3D.

The Prime Focus conversion of Jonathan Liebesman's Wrath Of The Titans is looking very good and approximately half of Transformers: Dark of the Moon was converted. Jonathan Liebesman also said that Chris Nolan is converting Inception to 3D for a 3D Blu-Ray release (although the studio has not confirmed that).

All Star Wars films will be re-released in 3D starting with Star Wars Episode 1: The Phantom Menace 3D in February 2012 and it was announced at IBC that Tom Scott's classic Top Gun (another Paramount Pictures film) is flying into 3D screens next year after being converted by Legend 3D.

Paul Verhoeven recently told 3D Focus TV that he would like to see his 1998 bug film Starship Troopers converted to 3D.

As the technology improves and costs are reduced, expect to see a lot more 3D re-releases.
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Anyone hear anything new regarding this possibility?
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Anyone hear anything new regarding this possibility?

I was watching it on Blu ray again last night and couldn't help but pray that they do. The scene where everything is exploding in the market square would be a pop-out extravaganza, lol. Excellent movie, but I would hope they do it right.
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I was watching it on Blu ray again last night and couldn't help but pray that they do. The scene where everything is exploding in the market square would be a pop-out extravaganza, lol. Excellent movie, but I would hope they do it right.

Inception was one of the discs that I played while I was testing the 3D-Bee conversion box. That exploding cafe was indeed one of the most impressive 3D conversion scenes I came across. The later zero-g hallway fight was less impressive, unfortunately.

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Yea I could see that cafe scene being really impressive
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Inception was one of the discs that I played while I was testing the 3D-Bee conversion box. That exploding cafe was indeed one of the most impressive 3D conversion scenes I came across. The later zero-g hallway fight was less impressive, unfortunately.

What is the 3D bee conversion box? Does this do a better job than the tv's own conversion?
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