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I am now at 4 rentals with them and no problems. I, too, will keep everyone posted.
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I am now at 4 rentals with them and no problems. I, too, will keep everyone posted.

Nice, I'm up to about 10 rentals and all is good on my end too. No hiccups yet.
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good to hear it is all good renting from this guy.. i have been wanting to rent a few...
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There's not one post in this (or the Blu-ray.com) thread about this site yet complaining about being told that a disc someone wants to rent is not in stock. Think about that.

Ironically, I am going to be first: Was informed Sunday that Lang Lang's Live From Vienna was not available. One can either ask for a refund and receive word of when the title is back in stock -or- maintain the PayPal charge so as to retain one's place on the 10-15 day wait list for the title.
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Ironically, I am going to be first: Was informed Sunday that Lang Lang's Live From Vienna was not available. One can either ask for a refund and receive word of when the title is back in stock -or- maintain the PayPal charge so as to retain one's place on the 10-15 day wait list for the title.

Thanks for sharing. I had to wait twice. I opted to stay on the wait list and they sent it out pretty quickly. Dont remember the exact wait time though. I did notice that they recently posted a guarantee that the wait will not be longer than 20 days or you will get a $2.50 credit.
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I had to wait for Avatar and Lang Lang. I'm still waiting for Mind Benders. I currently have Lang Lang, will be returning Monday.
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Thanks for sharing. I had to wait twice. I opted to stay on the wait list and they sent it out pretty quickly. Dont remember the exact wait time though. I did notice that they recently posted a guarantee that the wait will not be longer than 20 days or you will get a $2.50 credit.
You're welcome.

Personally, I'd like to see a couple of days shaved off that timeframe after which you get a small credit such that it's more commensurate with the 14-day standard rental term before you're charged a day rate. Maybe 16 days.
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At least they are trying to do something for customers....I've never had Netflix or Blockbuster offer me anything on long or very long waits.
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I have less Bbuster experience but as a seven-year Netflixer I'd surmise you simply haven't called them much. I literally couldn't count the number of times that I've been sent a courtesy additional rental; before I've even finished my spiel about whatever, I hear clickety clacking on a keyboard . . . I stop talking . . . and the response is often, 'I've taken care of sending you an extra rental . . .' Granted it's not always been length of wait time I'm complaining/calling about, but that has been the case on several occasions. And if the rep doesn't offer, ask.
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I have less Bbuster experience but as a seven-year Netflixer I'd surmise you simply haven't called them much. I literally couldn't count the number of times that I've been sent a courtesy additional rental; before I've even finished my spiel about whatever, I hear clickety clacking on a keyboard . . . I stop talking . . . and the response is often, 'I've taken care of sending you an extra rental . . .' Granted it's not always been length of wait time I'm complaining/calling about, but that has been the case on several occasions. And if the rep doesn't offer, ask.

Thanks for the tip....will try that next time I have a long wait with Netflix or BB.
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Thanks for the tip....will try that next time I have a long wait with Netflix or BB.

Just to be clear, I'm lionizing Nf only. Kinda like Shep Proudfoot, I can't vouch for Bbusted.
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Two good things to report, thus far:

I am using a regular charge card, not PayPal, and my credits are showing up fine when I return the disc. I also get an email advising that the credit to my card has been posted.

I, too, received an email about a delay in getting a disc to me. Then about 3 days later I got another email that the disc had been shipped. Much shorter delay than I had anticipated.

In any case, my relationship with this renter remains very satisfactory to date.
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Put in an order for Tron today and they shipped out the movie same day. Nice thing was that I noticed there is no longer a deposit requirement. You just have to pay for cost of the rental and no longer the full cost of the movie and get a refund when you return it. Nice

My guess now is that they will have your credit card on file to charge for late fees and movies not returned, etc. Ok by me.
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Just FYI, this is HIGHLY illegal. All games/movies/audio are not allowed to be "rented" out without proper licensing. Basically you must contact them and they charge you a fee per disc you rent out. That's how it ALWAYS has worked.

This site will get shut down, the excuse for the little mom and pop stores that do the same thing, unfortunately the law applies there as well.

The reason no companies are renting out 3D bluray discs is because the studios do NOT want them rented out.

If they did, Netflix, etc would be all over that

What laws are being violated as someone keeps posting? Not quite sure however it is against the EULA when you purchase the disc you will not rent it out, so at the very least you are violating the End-User License Agreement.
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Just FYI, this is HIGHLY illegal. All games/movies/audio are not allowed to be "rented" out without proper licensing. Basically you must contact them and they charge you a fee per disc you rent out. That's how it ALWAYS has worked.

This site will get shut down, the excuse for the little mom and pop stores that do the same thing, unfortunately the law applies there as well.

The reason no companies are renting out 3D bluray discs is because the studios do NOT want them rented out.

If they did, Netflix, etc would be all over that

What laws are being violated as someone keeps posting? Not quite sure however it is against the EULA when you purchase the disc you will not rent it out, so at the very least you are violating the End-User License Agreement.

It sounds like you are stating an opinion. I disagree with your opinion. Do you have facts/urls that state that this type of business is illegal? They claim to have all the legal licenses required to do business in their FAQ and I believe them. I've quickly looked at the copyright laws and do not see how they are in violation. Do you have something you can point to that would contradict that? EULA only applies to software and not movies from what I know.
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There are too many independent movie rental stores around for this to be illegal and easily subject to attack. Those stores are not going the way of the dinosaur because of illegality, but rather because of fundamental changes in the marketplace. Do you really believe that if one of the independent stores carried a 3D disc that it would somehow be illegal while 2d rental is legal?

Please don't confuse selling illegal copies with renting legal discs.

Kindly cite to any statutes you believe hold that the independent renting of a disc to be illegal.
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It's nice to see some body finally doing this. I remember a few months ago when i was at blockbuster and asked if they rented 3d movies. The guy's response was, "i don't think there are any out yet." You jackass! You work in a video store! I just don't get the differences in the rental fees. $5, $8, $10 and $30 to rent avatar? I know it won't be released to the masses til next year but if I'm spending $30 on avatar I'm keeping it. The others are a decent deal but some of these I can rent on the Playstation for $6. I know, I know, bluray quality vs compressed downloads. Believe me I agree but it's still a rental and it's still 3d with surround sound, that's all I'm saying.
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Whether they have the licenses or not is disputable...I doubt a small company like that can do it while a multi-million dollar company such as Netflix can not.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investig...pr/anti-piracy

"Warning: The unauthorized reproduction or distribution of this copyrighted work is illegal. Criminal copyright infringement, including infringement without monetary gain, is investigated by the FBI and is punishable by up to five years in federal prison and a fine of $250,000."

This is unauthorized distribution...

You can not buy a movie and re-rent it for profit, you need to pay royalties, royalties is what puts all the licenses, etc., on hold especially while they decide how much to charge for 3D content since it is still fairly new.
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Whether they have the licenses or not is disputable...I doubt a small company like that can do it while a multi-million dollar company such as Netflix can not.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investig...pr/anti-piracy

"Warning: The unauthorized reproduction or distribution of this copyrighted work is illegal. Criminal copyright infringement, including infringement without monetary gain, is investigated by the FBI and is punishable by up to five years in federal prison and a fine of $250,000."

This is unauthorized distribution...

You can not buy a movie and re-rent it for profit, you need to pay royalties, royalties is what puts all the licenses, etc., on hold especially while they decide how much to charge for 3D content since it is still fairly new.

Appreciate you posting that but I still disagree with your interpretation of this law. This warning applies to "anti-piracy" which is not the case here. They are talking about distributing pirated copies. End of the day, unless a copyright lawyer chimes in, we'll probably have to agree to disagree. I'd be more convinced if you pulled something from the copyright law that says this type of business is illegal. They will still have my business
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Please don't confuse selling illegal copies with renting legal discs.

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The reason no companies are renting out 3D bluray discs is because the studios do NOT want them rented out.

If they did, Netflix, etc would be all over that

What laws are being violated as someone keeps posting? Not quite sure however it is against the EULA when you purchase the disc you will not rent it out, so at the very least you are violating the End-User License Agreement.

I disagree with your speculative conclusions about Netflix' reasons for not renting 3D BD. I think the reason Nf is not renting 3D BD is because they're waiting for demand/market penetration to grow before they start renting something that has the potential to confuse some subscribers. They will also likely and unfortunately want to charge more for "3D Blu-ray access." This is the same company that stopped renting HD DVD too early IMO. There's also Reed Hastings' (IMO eyebrow-raising) comment last December: '98% of management is focused on streaming and 2% is focused on DVD.'

And as pointed out by another member, a EULA is involved with licensed product such as computer software wherein it is contemplated that the product is used on a restricted number of computers. It's a different paradigm with music and movie packaged media. If there was a EULA associated with DVDs and BDs, we'd have to agree to it before we were granted access to the content on the disc.


Got Lang Lang Live in Vienna within the projected timeframe.
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Whether they have the licenses or not is disputable...I doubt a small company like that can do it while a multi-million dollar company such as Netflix can not.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investig...pr/anti-piracy

"Warning: The unauthorized reproduction or distribution of this copyrighted work is illegal. Criminal copyright infringement, including infringement without monetary gain, is investigated by the FBI and is punishable by up to five years in federal prison and a fine of $250,000."

This is unauthorized distribution...

You can not buy a movie and re-rent it for profit, you need to pay royalties, royalties is what puts all the licenses, etc., on hold especially while they decide how much to charge for 3D content since it is still fairly new.

i agree with you... if they are not selling Avatra 3D.. i do not see them letting this small time guy renting it.. Panasonic bought the rights to it tell 2012.. he would have to of payed Panasonic for the rights to rent it and i would bet he has never told them he is renting it out.. he is doing it.. but is it legal.. i bet not.. i also bet if someone turned this guy in to the right place it would not be up for rent for long...
but... i sure wish they would get the ball rolling where you can run down town and rent all the 3D movies out..
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Whether they have the licenses or not is disputable...I doubt a small company like that can do it while a multi-million dollar company such as Netflix can not.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investig...pr/anti-piracy

"Warning: The unauthorized reproduction or distribution of this copyrighted work is illegal. Criminal copyright infringement, including infringement without monetary gain, is investigated by the FBI and is punishable by up to five years in federal prison and a fine of $250,000."

This is unauthorized distribution...

You can not buy a movie and re-rent it for profit, you need to pay royalties, royalties is what puts all the licenses, etc., on hold especially while they decide how much to charge for 3D content since it is still fairly new.

IANAL, but after perusing the web for a while and digging through the Motion Picture Licensing Corporation (MPLC) website, it appears, in the US at least, that it is perfectly legal to rent out your (legally obtained) DVDs and BDs, as long as the intent is for private home use only. If the renter does a public exhibition and you didn't know it, only the renter can be held accountable. If you knew they were renting for public exhibition, then you are in trouble...

That's why Redbox could legally buy DVDs in bulk from a retailer or distributors when the direct studio distribution was cut off during their "negotiations". The studios tried to strong arm the distributors, telling them to not sell to Redbox or else they would lose the ability to get any movies from the studios - the studios did not try to take Redbox to court for renting movies without a license, because no such requirement exists.

The FBI warning is a little strongly worded, and does not define "unauthorized distribution", hence you might think it applies to renting you personal copy to someone else for home use. It appears it does not apply, and that you do not need their authorization to rent movies out, but the studios aren't going to explicitly say that, are they?

"The unauthorized reproduction or distribution of this copyrighted work is illegal, but you are legally entitled to rent or lend this work for private home use."

Yeah, don't see them wanting to clarify that.

Again, IANAL, but that is how I see things. If you can provide a link to substantiate your claim that "You can not buy a movie and re-rent it for profit, you need to pay royalties" then that would be appreciated, because I'm not finding anything.

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Hmm... I just took a look at this site and am a bit confused. Earlier posts in this thread indicated that the rentals were $30? What I see is most of the rentals are listed at $8. What I don't see, however, is a definitive, clearly written explanation of any "collateral" deposits that are then refunded when a disc is returned. One post said something about a $30 rental and a $90 additional deposit. I am also a bit concerned about one particular Q&A in the site's FAQs:
Q: Are your company legally compliant?
A: Yes, we have all the required licenses to conduct a lawful business in the US


I'm not sure that this response adequately addresses the question of product licensing. It may only involve certain local business and/or incorporation regulations. If anyone can clarify these issues, it would be appreciated.
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Hmm... I just took a look at this site and am a bit confused. Earlier posts in this thread indicated that the rentals were $30? What I see is most of the rentals are listed at $8. What I don't see, however, is a definitive, clearly written explanation of any "collateral" deposits that are then refunded when a disc is returned. One post said something about a $30 rental and a $90 additional deposit. I am also a bit concerned about one particular Q&A in the site's FAQs:
Q: Are your company legally compliant?
A: Yes, we have all the required licenses to conduct a lawful business in the US


I'm not sure that this response adequately addresses the question of product licensing. It may only involve certain local business and/or incorporation regulations. If anyone can clarify these issues, it would be appreciated.

They use to have a deposit requirement but have recently changed their policy to no longer require it. You just pay for the rental now. The $30 rental comment was just for Avatar. Most of the movies are at $8 rental. I would strongly recommend you rent from them. Would like to see this community support this business so they can keep providing this needed service.

As for the license comment, most of us believe this company is abiding by the law. There has not been any valid proof by any members that prove otherwise besides some speculation....in my opinion
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Shinksma, great research! Much needed. Wish I was that articulate with my response End of the day, whether you think this company is legal or not, you as the customer of this business are 100% safe. A good example is when they use to sell DVD copy software retail and then later pulled them off the shelves. I bought a copy and so did many and none of the customers were ever charged with anything....period! I still believe this company is within the parameters of the law.
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I highly recommend this service. I have rented several disks from them and they have been very professional and very responsive. They provide a difficult to obtain product at a very fair price. They have a personal touch and communication that as refreshing as it is rare. In terms of legality - I will leave that up to them to determine – their liability not mine - but I strongly support their efforts.

I suspect they dropped the prepay/refund because of push back from paypal on all of the refunds. I think a refundable one-time membership charge might work. Say $100 to join (and serve as security for returning disks), that is refundable (once) if you decide to "resign" and not rent any more disks. Better than having multiple payment/refund cycles, and it might also provide capital for obtaining additional content. I'd join! They could even grandfather in their current frequent renters. <<img src="http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/images/smilies/smile.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smilie" class="inlineimg" />
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I had some experience with the way they used to do VHS rentals. When you purchased a rental movie from the disty it was always a higher price than the retail version. You where not allowed to rent the retail version and also the covers where slightly different.

Now I am not saying that people didn't buy 1-2 rental versions an then a lot more retail and then rent them too. But this was a breech of the contract between them and your company.

All of which was a civil issue.

In regards to legal. Thats the grey part. It could be a breech of copyright. As the retail disc is sold to you as an individual not a business entity. Thus being sold to you under license as stated in the warning both from the movie studio and FBI. Re distribution of the movie wether original disc or copy is a breech of this.

It will depend on which state they choose to push it in. Because some state laws are so old that they where not written with the digital age mind. Then it is a case of how you interpret the law and this.

Would they win in court who knows. Either way they would bleed you dry of funds just defending it.

Just my 2 cents.
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How about selling a movie it to you for $50 with a guarantee that they will buy it back from you within two weeks for $42. Or is selling a used DVD illegal?

BTW - I thought this was AVS Forum not LegalZoom.com. All I know is that thanks to this service I have been able to actually watch some movies using my new 3D projector <<img src="http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/images/smilies/smile.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smilie" class="inlineimg" />
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BTW - I thought this was AVS Forum not LegalZoom.com.

LOL. Exactly.

There's a lotta confusion on some folks' part herein about copyright infringement (which contemplates the work itself/the content not the packaged media format on which it is stored), underlying picture ownership rights versus a limited distribution license and the supposed license governing the purchase of a DVD/BD (there isn't one). It would be nice if we could table the paralegal discussion and return it to--shock!--the movies.

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