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Watched my first ever 3D movies this weekend on my new display and Blu-ray player.

First up was TinTin. I was mesmerized and thought this is great and will be my new favorite thing! The added depth was much more important than the pop-out. The sidewalk scenes were so awesome. Just the added dimension to the film was great. I was sold hook line and sinker.

Well with that great experience I moved on to Underworld The Awakening. What a 180. The added depth and feel was not there like TinTin. At some scenes with two characters front and center they look and felt like cut out characters from a children's book and pasted to the front of the screen while there was slight depth behind them but the background was not clear and felt crushed. A completely different experience and a let down. It didn't help that this movie is a stinker although I enjoy the series. I turned off half way thru and will maybe watch the rest tonight. Umm stinker and laying down on the couch with glasses proved difficult! This was just for the last five minutes and I did sit up for the first half.

I hope other viewings aren't similar. Would you say most movies except for a select few are about on par with the quality of this flick? It seems there is still work to do here.

TinTin proved to me what the format can be. Hope most aren't like Underworld.

I bought but have not watched yet-
Tangled
Hugo
Immortals

Since I am new to this I need to watch a lot more content but hope Underworld is not the average for most available choices! This really is exciting to me as a whole so please don't take my initial thoughts as a dislike for the format. TinTin changed my viewing experience for the positive and was a blast.

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No, live-action 3D movies are highly variable in 3D quality. CGI animation can vary too, but most of them have pretty good 3D. Underworld: Awakening is on the better end of the 3D scale, being filmed with 3D cameras and having a few action sequences designed for 3D effects. There's definitely better live-action 3D though. You'll see the current pinnacle in feature films when you watch Hugo.

For other non-documentary live-action 3D, I recommend:
1. Journey to the Center of the Earth
2. Yogi Bear
3. Step Up 3D
4. Sanctum
5. Final Destination 5
6. The Final Destination
7. Resident Evil: Afterlife
8. Drive Angry
9. My Bloody Valentine
10. The Three Musketeers

None of these movies have very good stories, but it's definitely worth checking them out for the 3D if you can find them for a good deal.

P.S. Underworld's best 3D is towards the end of the movie.
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No, live-action 3D movies are highly variable in 3D quality. CGI animation can vary too, but most of them have pretty good 3D. Underworld: Awakening is on the better end of the 3D scale, being filmed with 3D cameras and having a few action sequences designed for 3D effects.

I disagree entirely. It may well have been filmed with 3D cameras but its hit and miss to say the least with 2d cinematographic (is that a real word?) thinking clearly damaging what should have been a MUCH better presentation. I was very dissapointed and to be honest I think the converted Capain America has better 3D than underworld does and I never thought I would hear myself say such a thing!
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I'm not saying that Underworld's 3D was great. I wouldn't include it on my list of best live-action 3D, but I enjoyed it. It's definitely better than 95% of 3D conversions. Mainly I wish they would have separated the cameras more for stronger depth and used the 16:9 IMAX cut for Blu-ray 3D as it had slightly better framing. I've seen much worse when it comes to 2D thinking in 3D movies (Pirates of the Caribbean 4, A Very Harold and Kumar Christmas, Wrath of the Titans, John Carter, Thor, etc).
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I am new to this and I hope I am replying to a question from Rick.

I just bought a 3D television about four months ago. So far, the best movies I have watched with the best 3D are 1. Avatar, 2 Journey To The Center of the Earth and 3. Abraham Lincoln, Vampire Killer.
Of course, you probably have already found this out.
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Personally, I'd consider Underworld: Awakening's 3D sub-par; the cinematography really didn't take advantage of 3D and there was very little in the way of pop out of the screen. Also, the film's 2.39:1 aspect ratio and resulting letterbox presentation further compromises the 3D effect on 16x9 TVs.

I'd say that Journey to the Center of the Earth, Journey 2: Mysterious Island and Hugo are the current benchmarks for live-action natively shot 3D movies, surpassing even more well-regarded titles like Avatar in my opinion. Its also no coincidence that all three of those films are presented at a 1.85:1 aspect ratio, using nearly all of the screen on a 16x9 TV, which makes the 3D imagery even more immersive.

Also, if you want to see some good live action 3D, try checking out some of the Imax 3D BluRays like Hubble 3D, Space Station 3D, Grand Canyon 3D Tahiti: Ultimate Wave 3D and Under the Sea 3D; Imax features can be a little dry in terms of presentation but the 3D photography is uniformly stunning.
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Hugo is a must for live action 3D If you want to see 3D done right (Its also great for home viewing since it was shot in 1.78:1)
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Underworld I remember as being above average. Some of the best live action is Avatar, Hugo, Men in Black III, but the best of the best is Flying Swords of Dragon's Gate. The Journey movies are also very good. I am sure there are several I have missed. Tangled is one of the better animated movies if you already have that what are you waiting for.
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Is Flying Swords that good, the trailer makes the CGI look awful
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Is Flying Swords that good, the trailer makes the CGI look awful

I have it but haven't watched it yet because I can't get it to play with English subtitles. It has them in the menu but I can't "play" from that menu and if I back out and play I get Chinese with no STs.
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I heavily favor 2.35 3d presentations as they are much more immersive with my scope setup. Having said that, Flying Swords of Dragonsgate is definitely the best example of live action 3d I have seen yet. Avatar is by far the most overrated 3d movie at this point as there are much better examples of both depth and pop out 3d on many discs. Avatar was impressive over 2 years ago when I first watched it on blu, but every time I revisit it now it just reveals how conservative the actual 3d is and is nothing special IMHO vs titles like FSoD, Hugo, etc.....

Underworld Awakening had very good 3d on my setup. Not the best out there, but above average I would say.

Best overall 3d blu ray to date IMO is Sammys Adventure followed closely by Madagascar 3 I would have to say. I have not seen SA2 yet though which most people seem to think is as good or better than the original, so I am excited to check it out.

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Softdome,

If you said you bought Tangled then you have one title that has extremely good 3d effects. That is one of the best.

I don't know how many I bought but for the effects at least I like most of the underwater titles, Under the Sea and Dolphins and Whales are good.

FOr live action movies Avatar is of course the standard, but Avengers and Dredd are also pretty good.

Hugo and the lasrt Pirate of the Carribean movies have decent effects but I thought they were dreadful movies.

Have not seen it yet, but Life of Pi is supposed to be one where the 3d effect really adds to the viewing experience. It is on my shopping list.
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Of the 3D movies I own, the standouts are:

Live:

1. Hugo
2. Transformers 3
3. The Final Destination
4. Captain America (Conversion, and I find that movie hard on my eyes because of the extreme separation)

CGI/Cartoon:

1. Guardians of Gahoole
2. A Christmas Carol
3. Tin Tin


Some of my movies have more subtle 3D, but I really like them as well (Prometheus, Tron: Legacy).

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I really have to wonder how much this varys person to person. (3d effect or how we see it I guess)

I really like journey to the center of the earth. I love my 3d set up. I cant stand to watch it in 3d. I'm constantly checking my settings, and nothings wrong but it just doesnt look right to me. Even gives me a head ache after awhile. No other movies do this, I game in 3d all day long with no problems. It sucks cus I love the flick, and it makes me leary of watching Journey 2.

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I really have to wonder how much this varys person to person

I think you're right. Some people really like the subtle 3D like in Prometheus and Tron: Legacy. I like them also, but I do appreciate the greater separation of depth as in Transformers 3 or Final Destination. Many of the popout moments I find don't work so well for me. I have a minor astigmatism that may be the culprit, but I find that if it's too quick, my eyes can't resolve it (flying tire that quickly goes through the screen, for example). However, the potato cod in Imax: Undersea Adventure and the penicillin snake from Final Destination were just awesome!

What I find with 3D is that in fast moving scenes, my eyes can't resolve the 3D well and it makes me nauseous. This is especially evident in Captain America. The fix for this is to max out your frame interpolation settings on your tv or, in my case, projector. It will give the movie a soap opera kind of feeling, but since when does 3D look overly real, anyway? I'd rather spare the headache.

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I have the Grand Canyon in 3D, it isn't bad, but nothing great either.
I guess we all have a different opinion of what we expect in 3D. I think that the best 3D I have seen is Avatar, followed by Journey to The Center Of The Earth.
I have been thinking about getting Underworld: The Awakening and I would still like to see it, who knows...I may like it.
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Even Kate Beckinsale in tight black leather couldn't keep me watching any of those films for longer than 1/2 hour. They're just terrible.

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I loved Underworld The Awakening... thought it had some good 3D also.
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Even Kate Beckinsale in tight black leather couldn't keep me watching any of those films for longer than 1/2 hour. They're just terrible.

I think all 4 are great. Kate is just an added bonus. cool.gif All 4 have great audio as well, especially Awakening.

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I think all 4 are great. Kate is just an added bonus. cool.gif All 4 have great audio as well, especially Awakening.
This, the rain in the opening of Underword, then the gunfire in the subway ...
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Hmmmm...I gather that he didnt watch the entire film? Theres some good stuff after Kate storms the laboratory for the climactic battle. The man is stumbling around in the corridor while he transforms into the mega werewolf? The monster sticks its snout out the screen. That was one of the best pop outs I've seen. The beast hurls some cars out at Kate too. Some gas particals stick out too. I grenade pin comes out. I agree that the 2.40 aspect ratio doesnt help matters, but these scenes stick out regardless. Earlier there was some good 3D when the Lycans invade the vampires hideout to get the girl.
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Hmmmm...I gather that he didnt watch the entire film? Theres some good stuff after Kate storms the laboratory for the climactic battle. The man is stumbling around in the corridor while he transforms into the mega werewolf? The monster sticks its snout out the screen. That was one of the best pop outs I've seen. The beast hurls some cars out at Kate too. Some gas particals stick out too. I grenade pin comes out. I agree that the 2.40 aspect ratio doesnt help matters, but these scenes stick out regardless. Earlier there was some good 3D when the Lycans invade the vampires hideout to get the girl.

Actually, the 2.40 works great for me as I have a scope screen and anamorphic lens. I may just watch it for the 3D effects, but honestly it was the first movie that I never got through. I may have to try it again. It's possible I was just tired, drunk or I watched it after a particularly amazing movie with a great plot and storyline. I'll give it another go, though, as a friend of mine has the set on Blu Ray.

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Okay, well, the 3D stands out more in the action scenes early. You have to get to the part where Kate and the cop storm the lab.

Recalling from memory here, but the mad doc is escaping with the girl when Kate plows into the truck, turning it over smile.gif. THEN they show the doc's son stumbling around in the corridor, transforming into the beast. Once he is the beast, it dies an "I am mighty" pose, then roars and sticks its snout out the screen smile.gif. Kate does some 3D acrobatics while dodging the beast, check it out!
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More on topic than my last post:

I really like the Underworld series and think this movie has some great 3D scenes. My fav is the car chase scene. The depth in that scene is just awesome.

@Blastermaster, I love the subtle 3d of tron, aswell as transformers 3 and cap is great too. Where pop-out is best is slow shots that linger abit. I wish more movies would use it. I was very sceptical of 3D, bought my HD66 mostly becuse my HD70 died and it was a good deal. Not because it could do 3D. I thought well I'll try it, and watched a video off the net of some skydivers. When they formed a ring and floated 6 feet out of the screen over my coffee table, with visible depth on them.... well I was sold.

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Movies in 16:9 (or 1.85:1) like Avatar, Titanic, Hugo and Life of Pi, create the best sense of "being there" in 3D. Search out movies in this format if you want to be wowed by 3D. Plus 3D conversions are much better now.
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Movies in 16:9 (or 1.85:1) like Avatar, Titanic, Hugo and Life of Pi, create the best sense of "being there" in 3D. Search out movies in this format if you want to be wowed by 3D. Plus 3D conversions are much better now.


This is not true if you are using a scope screen. On my 2.35 screen, scope 3d films are obviously much more immersive due to the larger size just like 2d. I always want OAR, but scope 3d is my preference on my setup since it is so much more impressive.

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This is not true if you are using a scope screen. On my 2.35 screen, scope 3d films are obviously much more immersive due to the larger size just like 2d. I always want OAR, but scope 3d is my preference on my setup since it is so much more impressive.

^This.

Transformers 3, Guardians of Ga'hoole, Tintin, Christmas Carol, Final Destination, Captain America, to name a few of the good scope ones (I generally don't watch the Disney/Pixar ones although I know they have good 3D - I just don't like cartoons all that much).

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