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Finally Warner Brothers has decided to release one of it's "classic" 1950's 3D films. Here are some details:

"To ready Dial M for Murder for this current release, MPI's work included a 4K scan of the original camera negative, and a full restoration of the two "eyes," as well as convergence fixes to ensure perfect alignment.

Said Jeff Baker, Executive Vice President and General Manager, Theatrical Catalog:
"Given the current trend toward 3D, we're delighted to be releasing this authentic classic 3D. This is not a conversion from 2D to 3D, but an original work, with a big tip of the cap to MPI, that illustrates just how good 3D can be. The Warner library has the largest number of classic 3D titles (15) of any studio and over the years we've been looking to release them, but not until now has the technology been perfected to the point we can do that. We're hoping Dial M for Murder is the first of several classic 3D films to be released, with the long-awaited, much requested "House of Wax" expected next."

This is great news, only Dial M For Murder is pretty weak both as a Hitchcock film and as a 3D project. It's pretty much a filmed version of a stage success that takes place in one apartment with some really bad rear screen shots mixed in. Don't get me wrong, it's an enjoyable film but it is more important in a historical sense than it is in a rousing 3D entertainment sense. I'll be ordering it!

My real hope is that they release "Kiss Me Kate" in 3D. I've seen this a couple of times at 3D revivals and I thinks it's one of the best, if not the best, 3D film of the period. It has everything, color, pop, dancing, singing, ect. that poor Dial M doesn't. Hope this leads to more releases. Sounds like "House Of Wax" is in the wings. Sorry to see the recently released "Hondo" wasn't released 3D as that's how it was filmed.
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I'll pick up this one and I hope they release some more classic 3D films after this.

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Just read about this.. Can't wait.. now we need House of Wax. smile.gif

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Day one purchase for the quality of the movie alone...plus curious about the 50s 3D.
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curious about the 50s 3D

Don't think you'll be disappointed.

Kiss Me Kate is superb, as is House of Wax, It Came From Outer Space, Robot Monster (no kidding), Money from Home, Sangaree (the film itself is sorta mediocre), Devil's Canyon, The Charge at Feather River, Taza, Son of Cochise (directed by Douglas Sirk; Rock Hudson as Taza?!), Wings of the Hawk (directed by Bud Boetticher), and, by accounts of those who have seen a recently restored print, Hondo.

Everyone will doubtlessly be eager for Creature From the Black Lagoon but I found its 3-D somewhat disappointing.

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It's pretty much a filmed version of a stage success that takes place in one apartment with some really bad rear screen shots mixed in.
Ha! Ha!

What Hitchcock color film doesn't have badd rear screen shots in it?!?!
Heck, it may even make the 3D "PoP" more!! The 'live' action against the flat screen backround.

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General Q:
Does a 3D release need/require a new transfer?!?!
or
Can any old HD source be used?

BIG thanks.

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I think it's a great film. The bad rear screen shots add charm to this movie. It's a great story.

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Does a 3D release need/require a new transfer?!?!

Had you seen the print of Dial M For Murder that I did you would not need to ask that question... but you didn't. So yes, a great many of them do. Dial M was without a doubt the worst print in the whole 3-D festival(s) that I attended out in Hollywood. It was soft soft soft and the color was miserable.

Other problems are prints struck from the camera negative rather than from Technicolor separations (the former is much cheaper than the latter). In Taza, Son of Cochise , there would be sequences where a shot with one camera looked excellent and the covering shot would be purple, and as the scene progressed the two different shots would continue to alternate good color balance vs. magenta. On the other hand, a number of prints were thought to be the last surviving example of the film, and so there wouldn't be much restoration needed (Robot Monster, and possibly Kiss Me Kate).

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General Q:
Does a 3D release need/require a new transfer?!?!
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Can any old HD source be used?
BIG thanks.

You will get the best results if a new transfer is made. Especially when they source the transfer from the original camera negative and scan it at 4K or higher.
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Thanks for both answers, however...
I know newer transfers can surpass older transfers in PQ.
I was asking specifically about 3D tho.

Can any HD source be used for a 3D Blu?

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"Are these comfirmed to have slipcovers?"
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Thanks for both answers, however...
I know newer transfers can surpass older transfers in PQ.
I was asking specifically about 3D tho

Can any HD source be used for a 3D Blu?

Please define; "HD source."
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Thanks for both answers, however...
I know newer transfers can surpass older transfers in PQ.
I was asking specifically about 3D tho.
Can any HD source be used for a 3D Blu?

Sure. As long as you have two HD sources: One from the original left eye image and one from the right.
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Thanks for both answers, however...
I know newer transfers can surpass older transfers in PQ.
I was asking specifically about 3D tho
Can any HD source be used for a 3D Blu?
Please define; "HD source."
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Sure. As long as you have two HD sources: One from the original left eye image and one from the right.
"Sure": a HiDef [1080p] transfer of the film.
Can a copy be duplicated from a single transfer source for L/R info (my original Q); or does a new transfer have too made too capture L/R info?

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I don't exactly understand your question but I'll give it a shot.

All native 3-D films from any era exist as two separate elements - the "left eye" and the "right eye", being that two cameras were used to photograph them. To make a Blu-ray 3D disc, both "eyes" need to be transferred to separate video files (a "left" file and a "right" file) and then combined via software into the Blu-ray 3D format. So you need *two* HD transfers done: a left and a right.

More info about how 'older' 3-D films were made is available here: http://www.3dfilmarchive.com

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I don't exactly understand your question but I'll give it a shot.
All native 3-D films from any era exist as two separate elements - the "left eye" and the "right eye", being that two cameras were used to photograph them. To make a Blu-ray 3D disc, both "eyes" need to be transferred to separate video files (a "left" file and a "right" file) and then combined via software into the Blu-ray 3D format. So you need *two* HD transfers done: a left and a right.
More info about how 'older' 3-D films were made is available here: http://www.3dfilmarchive.com

That isn't quite correct. Many of the 3D movies from the 1980s did not use a dual camera rig to capture the seperate L & R eye images. They used a single camera with a Twin Lens adapter that recorded the seperate L & R eye images on a single 35mm frame (Over/Under). This allowed a single projector to be used to show full color polarized 3D with a special projector adapter.

Photo of Arri 35mm camera with Twin Lens adapter on the set of JAWS-3D

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Correct, Lee. I should have stated I was talking about the films of the 1950's-era.

The films from the 80s did capture separate left & right, but on a single strip of film as you describe (and via projection).

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Correct, Lee. I should have stated I was talking about the films of the 1950's-era.
The films from the 80s did capture separate left & right, but on a single strip of film as you describe (and via projection).

Which also affected their resolution. They would have full hortizontial res but only 1/2 the vertical res of a 35mm dual camera rig like those used in the 1950s. This shouldn't present too much of an issue when they create a home video 3D BD release IF they use the original camera negative as the film element to scan from. But if they use an Interpositive or Internegative, then it may affect the resolution due to MTF as 35mm film is analog and each step away from the original camera negative loses resolution.
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Anyone buy this 3D BD?

I have read a few reviews on it and they are not positive.
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I'll be reviewing it for another site as soon as the disc gets to me- REALLY looking forward to it!
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Well, here is a good review from Blu-Ray.com....
http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Dial-M-for-Murder-3D-Blu-ray/10453/#Review

Just as I suspected, having seen this film screened, it continues to have a few problems that could not be corrected for the video release. Don't get me wrong, I'm really happy that Warner Brothers have made the effort to bring it to us, but this film didn't look that great to begin with so my expectations were low. I'm waiting for my copy! I just hope we get House of Wax, which I heard is in the works, and Kiss Me Kate, which is one of the best 3D features of the 50's. Of course, it's just been announced we will be getting The Wizard of Oz as a conversion. I hope its done as well as Titanic and The Avengers and not the extreamly conservative conversion Warners gave us with the last two Harry Potter films.

Below is news piece about OZ:
http://theweek.com/article/index/234372/the-wizard-of-oz-3d-will-it-spoil-a-cinematic-classic
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Here's a review of the disc - plus a detailed history of the film and its release - by the 3-D Film Archive:

http://www.3dfilmarchive.com/dial-m-blu-ray-review

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That was the best detailed story on 3D and the film that I have read. Unfortunatelly the 3D Bluray looks more like a DVD as it is not very clear. Creature from the Black Lagoon is crisp and has great 3D even though it is in B&W. Of course the story in Dial M is classic and well worth watching.
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I noticed a fair amount of ghosting in DMFM...did anyone else notice this? I did not see any ghosting at all in Creature so I'm having a tough time accepting that the ghosting is inherent to my 2011 Samsung plasma display. I found the ghosting in DMFM a lot more distracting than the "halo" effect that has been referenced quite a bit.

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Noticed more ghosting than usual on my Sharp too.
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Just watched DMFM on my Epson 5010 didn't notice any ghosting. But the picture didn't seem very sharp at times and there was halo's in places like others have said. I liked it.

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my wife watched most of this disc last night and she described seeing some bad ghosting which is not normal on our projector. I saw some nasty halos in the beginning, but once they got inside the apartment setting, i thought it was a nicely detailed, sharp picture with good depth. seems like the ghosting complaints started about halfway through the movie.
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my wife watched most of this disc last night and she described seeing some bad ghosting which is not normal on our projector. I saw some nasty halos in the beginning, but once they got inside the apartment setting, i thought it was a nicely detailed, sharp picture with good depth. seems like the ghosting complaints started about halfway through the movie.

Yep that's my recollection as well...about halfway through. It was surprising to me because up to that point the PQ and 3D had been great. I will watch it again when I get a chance and record and post the exact times here.

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