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Wondering if anyone has bought and viewed the 3D Bluray of this yet? I know it was just released today. If so, is it worth the $$$?

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I bought it today; hope to watch it later on, I'll be sure to post some impressions once I've given it a spin.

EDIT: I was only able to see the first thirty minutes or so (right up until J time jumps to 1969); I thought the 3D looked quite good given that this is a post conversion. The sense of depth was constant, the glasses off test consistently yielded the desired double images and even closeups of actors' faces seemed to be pushing forward towards the boundaries of the screen. There was quite of bit of 3D pop out of the screen as well: lasers, smoke and particle effects and other objects. The film is presented at a 1.85:1 aspect ratio so if fills nearly all the real estate for a standard hi-def TV and that adds to the immersion as well. I hope to see the rest of the film tomorrow but based on what I've seen so far I'd say this is a solid 3D conversion and definitely worth a look.
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Don't think MIB3 was a post convertion, saw this in the theater in 3D I believe. (could be wrong as I watch a lot of theater movies).

I bought this today, but haven't watched yet.
I picked up the collectors edition with the "worm" bobblehead, was annoyed to find it only had the standard BD version of 3. So also bought the 3D copy!

My pet peave, why do they keep putting the DVD copy in with BD disks.
If you have a BD why would you want the DVD???
So now with 3D copy you get the 3D,BD,DVD,Digital copies....why not throw in the VHS too!!
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Don't think MIB3 was a post convertion, saw this in the theater in 3D I believe. (could be wrong as I watch a lot of theater movies).
MIB III is a 2D-3D conversion by Prime Focus.
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I thought for sure I saw it in 3D at theater!
I guess I see to many movies (is that possible?)
Wish I had known this, I really didn't care to much for the I Robot conversion.
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I saw it in 3D in theaters. MIB III is a much better conversion than I, Robot.
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I had not realized that theaters would show a 2D-3D conversion.
I had thought that all 3D theater movies were native 3D?
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I had not realized that theaters would show a 2D-3D conversion.
I had thought that all 3D theater movies were native 3D?
not so, many movies shown in 3D at theaters were processed from 2D to 3D for release, not shot with 3D cameras.
However so many effects are CGI, those can be generated in full 3D, just the actual filmed scenes will be 2D converted to 3D.
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I had not realized that theaters would show a 2D-3D conversion.
I had thought that all 3D theater movies were native 3D?
...you mean like Titanic?eek.gif Many live action 3D movies are conversions.

Check this thread out to get a list.
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@TikiSteve:
"My pet peave, why do they keep putting the DVD copy in with BD disks.
If you have a BD why would you want the DVD???"
Do you have a blu ray player in your car when your kids want to watch a movie?
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It's the Digital Copy I find redundant. Why watch it on my tablet when I've got a 47" TV right frikkin' there?!?

As for the DVD, I have some friends who haven't made the jump to BD yet, so it's handy having a DVD copy I can bring over when we want to watch a movie together.

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wish they would do the combo disc, saves space...
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Don't think MIB3 was a post convertion, saw this in the theater in 3D I believe. (could be wrong as I watch a lot of theater movies).
I bought this today, but haven't watched yet.
I picked up the collectors edition with the "worm" bobblehead, was annoyed to find it only had the standard BD version of 3. So also bought the 3D copy!
My pet peave, why do they keep putting the DVD copy in with BD disks.
If you have a BD why would you want the DVD???
So now with 3D copy you get the 3D,BD,DVD,Digital copies....why not throw in the VHS too!!
People people don't have VHS players or Blu-ray players in their cars.

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I would have been just fine seeing this in 2D.

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Don't think MIB3 was a post convertion, saw this in the theater in 3D I believe. (could be wrong as I watch a lot of theater movies).
I bought this today, but haven't watched yet.
I picked up the collectors edition with the "worm" bobblehead, was annoyed to find it only had the standard BD version of 3. So also bought the 3D copy!
My pet peave, why do they keep putting the DVD copy in with BD disks.
If you have a BD why would you want the DVD???
So now with 3D copy you get the 3D,BD,DVD,Digital copies....why not throw in the VHS too!!
People people don't have VHS players or Blu-ray players in their cars.

DVD player in my minivan. I like getting the DVD.
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I would have been just fine seeing this in 2D.

Why would that be? I really enjoyed the movie and thought the 3D was pretty good, especially for a conversion. The 3D added just as much to this movie as it does to any of the others.

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Why would that be? I really enjoyed the movie and thought the 3D was pretty good, especially for a conversion. The 3D added just as much to this movie as it does to any of the others.
I have yet to be impressed by a conversion, but Titanic came very close. Men in Black was merely average in terms of getting close to native, and average in terms of what it added to the movie. And by average, I mean middling, not acceptable or decent.

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@Ferl...not true, Clash of the Titans was better in 2D in my honest opinion...
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Here's a good article on why Barry Sonnenfeld chose to shoot in 2D and post convert.

http://spinoff.comicbookresources.com/2012/05/25/barry-sonnenfeld-on-diving-into-3d-and-into-the-past-in-men-in-black-3/
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Here's a good article on why Barry Sonnenfeld chose to shoot in 2D and post convert.
http://spinoff.comicbookresources.com/2012/05/25/barry-sonnenfeld-on-diving-into-3d-and-into-the-past-in-men-in-black-3/

Very interesting......Thanks for sharing.
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Personally I think throwing all the disks in and then what matters to them, charging more for the "extra" content is nothing but a money grab to a lot of people. I never buy these things till they get down to the same price as any other disc and then just to make sure I do my own little share to throw water in the face of people who cant get too rich I make sure I give away each and every one of the redundant disks to friends who then do not have to buy it themselves. Karma. Keep in mind I'm talking about releases that have ONLY the everything and the kitchen sink in the box 3D release and you cant purchase stand alone. Those that give us a choice I have no grief with.
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Here's a good article on why Barry Sonnenfeld chose to shoot in 2D and post convert.
http://spinoff.comicbookresources.com/2012/05/25/barry-sonnenfeld-on-diving-into-3d-and-into-the-past-in-men-in-black-3/
When you shoot in native 3D, you get to review the 3D immediately. When you film a movie in 2D and convert months later, it's like painting blind. Not to mention the end result was cardboard cutout-ey.
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My pet peave, why do they keep putting the DVD copy in with BD disks.
If you have a BD why would you want the DVD???

I think is so that you get the "Bonus Features." It's probably less expensive for them to produce them once for the DVD than to also add them to the Blu-Ray disc. And they avoid questions like "why aren't the bonus things in 3D?"

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I really liked MIB3 in 3D. I much preferred it to the 2D version, and often it looked like a native 3D film.

Regarding converted movies, Titanic 3D is one of the best 3D movies I've seen, conversion or not, and I have seen just about every 3D film except for some animated ones. I hope T2 will eventually get converted as Cameron has mastered 3D IMO.
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People here need to understand that there are different techniques for 2D to 3D conversion. MIBIII was the simplest level of conversion that uses composite layers and defocus. It can create normal 2D flat images lifted off surroundings but the layers are typically flat and relies on the brain to imagine the roundness solid of the layer. Adding this to CGI layers using true CGI 3D stereography the effect is quite impressive and avoids the use of stereo cameras for the live shots, while keeping true stereography for the sfx. The best way to describe the production is a hybrid of 2D to 3D conversion and true stereography.

I just finished watching this and was quite entertained by the story and the quality of the 3D. I have no interest in watching this in flat world. I will have a look at the 2D to see if there are any interesting special features but probably give the 2D Blu Ray away to a family member who doesn't have 3D yet.

The only time I considered watching a flat world version when the 3D was available was if the 3D was way too dark for my projector. It's been quite a long time since I bought a 3D of that poor quality. Fortunately for us, the quality of 3D just keeps getting better and better.

Anymore when I read these threads where people still believe 3D is questionable, I just have to laugh, somewhat like one laughs at the village idiot.
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Anymore when I read these threads where people still believe 3D is questionable, I just have to laugh, somewhat like one laughs at the village idiot.
Just because I don't blindly praise every single frame of 3D content doesn't make me an idiot.


This shot at 1:30? Awesome.

The rest of the movie? Not so much.

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I have no respect for "idiots" like you who can't respect other people's criticisms. Just because I don't blindly praise every single frame of 3D content doesn't make me an idiot.

Sometimes you are really mixed up, cakefoo. I wasn't referring to you as you certainly understand and know how to do 3D. I was referring to those 3D haters who are posting in the 3D is a fad and will soon be dead threads. Those are the ones I see as "village idiots."
It's OK with me if you prefer some flat world movies and some 3D. I do too! I probably enjoy more 3D movies than you do but neither of us feel that others shouldn't be allowed to enjoy movies in 3D or that manufacturers need to stop 3D development and producers need to stop making 3D movies. These village idiots think that way. And, contrary to your opinion I am not blind and I certainly respect others' criticisms. But because I don't agree with every one of yours doesn't make me blind or an idiot. You need to lighten up and stop being so defensive. We're on the same side, you know.
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Ok. I thought it was me because you said "one of THESE threads," and I thought I was the only one in here who's had a negative opinion of MIB3, so I thought you had to be referring to me.

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Cakefoo- I think you are more discriminating and less tolerant of the approaches to 3D production than I am. Simply put, if I am entertained by the movie and story, it is good. If the movie bores me or causes difficulty in viewing ( eye strain, too dark, or ghosting ) then I don't like it. I don't care if the movie was shot with twin stereo cameras, or 3D generated in post. I just want to be entertained.
The view I have of those whom I consider "village idiots" are those who simply don't want anyone else to enjoy a movie if it isn't made according to their standards. This includes aspect ratio, sound, flat vs stereographic, etc. I appreciate those who don't like 3D because they have to wear glasses, but most people really don't care about that. Still, these people are entitled to their opinion. Their refusal to be entertained by 3D is of no concern to me. I can't recall anytime I was at Disney getting ready to enter a 3D theater along with thousands in the crowds and someone called out I won't see this exhibit because I have to wear 3D glasses. I do find it ironic that a group here of home theater enthusiasts collect such a significant number of haters of new media to include 3D as we do. rolleyes.gif
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I enjoyed the movie way more than I expected to (my expectations were low), and I thought the 3D added some extra fun.
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