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Exactly. Amazon would replace Netflix as my top choice for streaming movies if they offered 3D for movies that were released in 3D. It might even have the effect of motivating Netflix to do the same.
For main stream 3D movie releases, I would still prefer to rent the 3D BD from www.3d-blurayrental.com/ than to stream the 3D movie.

I'm getting ready to cancel my disc plan with Netflix after joining them in early 1999. I will only have the Netflix streaming by the end of the month. Netflix has just become too unreliable for disc rentals over the last two months. In the 15.5 years I've been a member, their disc service has never been so bad.
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Y'know what would help with NF 3D? If somewhere there was a dad-gum LIST of what BD players do and/or will have access to it!!!!

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Y'know what would help with NF 3D? If somewhere there was a dad-gum LIST of what BD players do and/or will have access to it!!!!
I believe 3D-capable TV and BD players from model year 2013 and on should have Netflix 3D (and of course PS3).

My Sony S590 doesn't but S5100 from following year (2013) does. My son's Vizio TV from model year 2013 does as well. From cruising BD player and LCD TV fora, it appears that new 3D TV and BD players generally have Netflix 3D.
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For main stream 3D movie releases, I would still prefer to rent the 3D BD from www.3d-blurayrental.com/ than to stream the 3D movie.

I'm getting ready to cancel my disc plan with Netflix after joining them in early 1999. I will only have the Netflix streaming by the end of the month. Netflix has just become too unreliable for disc rentals over the last two months. In the 15.5 years I've been a member, their disc service has never been so bad.

I've been having the same poor/unreliable experience with their disc rentals for about the same last 2 months. It had been great previously. Wonder what the deal is. ???


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For main stream 3D movie releases, I would still prefer to rent the 3D BD from www.3d-blurayrental.com/ than to stream the 3D movie.
Yeah the shiny blu-ray still offers the best of all possible worlds for audio/video quality. I was impressed though by the quality of Netflix' 3D streaming. It would have been a real treat to see Star Trek into Darkness or The Smurfs 2 in 3D. 2 movies I was unlikely to purchase, but was happy to go ahead and watch on Netflix.
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I believe 3D-capable TV and BD players from model year 2013 and on should have Netflix 3D (and of course PS3).

My Sony S590 doesn't but S5100 from following year (2013) does. My son's Vizio TV from model year 2013 does as well. From cruising BD player and LCD TV fora, it appears that new 3D TV and BD players generally have Netflix 3D.
I have the Sony 790 (since November)and it doesn't have it.

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I have the Sony 790 (since November)and it doesn't have it.
Technically 790 is a 2012 model that was carried over into 2013 hence no Netflix 3D. I hear you though. 790 is more than capable of handling Netflix 3D so it's not technical limitation but utter indifference to customers' want by Sony and Netflix.
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Technically 790 is a 2012 model that was carried over into 2013 hence no Netflix 3D. I hear you though. 790 is more than capable of handling Netflix 3D so it's not technical limitation but utter indifference to customers' want by Sony and Netflix.
You don't know that.

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I don't know what?
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I don't know what?
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790 is more than capable of handling Netflix 3D so it's not technical limitation but utter indifference to customers' want by Sony and Netflix.
You aren't privy to the technical underpinnings of the 790 (Sony keeps these things vague)...I've been trying to figure out the computational details of my 590 for quite some time and cannot.

1. You don't know that the 790 is more capable of handling Netflix 3D. As a software engineer (principal/architech/etc.) I know full well how the slightest differences in hardware can effect real-time performance thresholds.

2. and even IF the 790 is more capable of handling Netflix 3D, then you don't know if the reason for this lack of functionality is "indifference to customers' want", or merely a bigger problem that only the engineering departments understand and as a result they haven't gotten to it yet. Again, we have no access to their development team.
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You aren't privy to the technical underpinnings of the 790 (Sony keeps these things vague)...I've been trying to figure out the computational details of my 590 for quite some time and cannot.

1. You don't know that the 790 is more capable of handling Netflix 3D. As a software engineer (principal/architech/etc.) I know full well how the slightest differences in hardware can effect real-time performance thresholds.

2. and even IF the 790 is more capable of handling Netflix 3D, then you don't know if the reason for this lack of functionality is "indifference to customers' want", or merely a bigger problem that only the engineering departments understand and as a result they haven't gotten to it yet. Again, we have no access to their development team.

If the more low-end Sony 5100 can handled NF 3D, isn't it reasonable to assume that their flagship player could as well? (this might also apply to the PS4.)
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If the more low-end Sony 5100 can handled NF 3D, isn't it reasonable to assume that their flagship player could as well? (this might also apply to the PS4.)
No, because a higher end product might well be tasked with more CPU hogging things to do than can be managed by the hardware assigned to it should 3D be added. Look, it's information we just don't have----saying it is better able to handle 3D and then attributing it not working with 3D to some indifference to what customers want are two things that are leaps of judgement, pure guesses, and cannot be labeled as fact.

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If the more low-end Sony 5100 can handled NF 3D, isn't it reasonable to assume that their flagship player could as well? (this might also apply to the PS4.)
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No, because a higher end product might well be tasked with more CPU hogging things to do than can be managed by the hardware assigned to it should 3D be added. Look, it's information we just don't have----saying it is better able to handle 3D and then attributing it not working with 3D to some indifference to what customers want are two things that are leaps of judgement, pure guesses, and cannot be labeled as fact.
Are you serious? So a dual-core, 4K upscaling capable 790 may not be able to do Netflix 3D that a lowly 5100 can do because of software? Since you proclaim yourself to be a software programmer, is the Netflix app in 790 that different from the one in 5100? Is the Netflix app in 790 that much more inefficient than the app in 5100 to the point of 790 not being able to render Netflix 3D?

As to indifference remark, what do you think is the reason for Sony and Netflix not updating the Netflix app in the older BD players? Do you have a better word or description for the lack of updates?

OT, why was vinnie banned? In my limited interaction with him, I never thought him to be offensive or demeaning to others. He is rather strong about his opinions but who isn't? It's true what you stated about moderators. There is definite inconsistency in the quality of "moderating."
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Are you serious? So a dual-core, 4K upscaling capable 790 may not be able to do Netflix 3D that a lowly 5100 can do because of software? Since you proclaim yourself to be a software programmer, is the Netflix app in 790 that different from the one in 5100? Is the Netflix app in 790 that much more inefficient than the app in 5100 to the point of 790 not being able to render Netflix 3D?
Simmer down. You don't understand the issues, and the simple fact is that we cannot guess what a higher model is tasked with internally (and how). Given that, we cannot state why a certain model can or cannot do something. Sorry, but that's just the way it is.

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As to indifference remark, what do you think is the reason for Sony and Netflix not updating the Netflix app in the older BD players? Do you have a better word or description for the lack of updates?
No, but the issue centers on declaring things that are unknowable as facts. Stop this defensiveness....it doesn't make sense any longer.

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OT, why was vinnie banned? In my limited interaction with him, I never thought him to be offensive or demeaning to others. He is rather strong about his opinions but who isn't? It's true what you stated about moderators. There is definite inconsistency in the quality of "moderating."
Yeah, well Vinnie was apparently banned for a political remark and the dialog that ensued. The entirety of his banning was a childish overreaction.

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Simmer down. You don't understand the issues, and the simple fact is that we cannot guess what a higher model is tasked with internally (and how). Given that, we cannot state why a certain model can or cannot do something. Sorry, but that's just the way it is.
Is something boiling? Do you believe something much more is going on inside than 790 than 5100? Do you think Sony will implement radically different firmware inside 790 than 5100 that would eat up all the extra resources provided by dual core chip? Or do you think 790 firmware is basically 590 software with extra "modules" for 4K processing and other video processing? Since neither of us can state why a certain model can or cannot do something with certainty, can I make an reasonable guess based on common sense that 790 should be more than capable of handling Netflix 3D? Is that phrasing better?

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No, but the issue centers on declaring things that are unknowable as facts. Stop this defensiveness....it doesn't make sense any longer.
Have you heard of the term "psychological projection?" Again if you don't have a better word to describe nor have any idea behind Sony and Netflix's apathy regarding app updates, I say my usage of "indifference" is perfectly valid.

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Yeah, well Vinnie was apparently banned for a political remark and the dialog that ensued. The entirety of his banning was a childish overreaction.
Ah, tricky thing that is. But I do agree that banning was an overreaction. He could have been suspended for several days and be allowed to come back. Permanent banning seems overly harsh.
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Sequence of events:

Netflix adds 3D option
Fills channel with ten pieces of worthless content
No one watches it because it sucks
Netflix claims 3D a failure, and doesn't want to "waste" more money on it

Perfect example of boardroom decisions without any actual information involved in making those decisions.

In the end, what difference does it make if your player can watch Netflix in 3D, when there's nothing to watch anyway? My 3D Blu-ray collection is less than two dozen titles, and is worlds better than what they're offering.
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Who is Vinnie? and what did he do to get banned?
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I would be in favor of banning posters here who repeatedly put out lies about companies and equipment, that other weak minded people fall for.
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Noticed a new title in the Netflix 3D lineup I hadn't seen before. Not sure when it was put up. It's a surfing video, from RED BULL productions. There are some really amazing surfing maneuvers in it and some impressive full range of Z depth in the tubes. Made me feel I was inside the tube although I was sitting 15 ft. from the screen. The back end extends well behind the screen. Title- Minor Threat


Not Netflix, but while surfing my PS3 offerings last evening, I noticed the Play Station Store, now has a huge $election of feature 3D movies including some of the latest titles not yet released on BluRay. They aren't cheap, but they are available. Some for rent, but most are p0riced for "own" at similar prices to Vudu 3D titles. Probably over a hundred titles now but I didn't count. Do a search for "3D" in the PS store.
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I would be in favor of banning posters here who repeatedly put out lies about companies and equipment, that other weak minded people fall for.
I absolutely agree about banning, especially the nosy posters who repeatedly post blindly optimistic nonsense to falsely reassure weak minded people about the current state of Netflix 3D despite obviously contrary evidences by touting and puffing up their interaction with Netflix customer reps as insider connection.
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Since neither of us can state why a certain model can or cannot do something with certainty, can I make an reasonable guess based on common sense that 790 should be more than capable of handling Netflix 3D? Is that phrasing better?
Yes it is in fact. It's no longer a compound statement pretending to be fact.



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Again if you don't have a better word to describe nor have any idea behind Sony and Netflix's apathy regarding app updates, I say my usage of "indifference" is perfectly valid.
Your first comment flies in the face of this one. It's precisely because NEITHER of us have any idea as to what's behind the lack of 3D on certain devices that declaring one guess or another as fact is invalid. Anyway, enough of this. Apparently you don't see it that way, so to each his own. Just be prepared to be challenged on it. I in particular took interest in what you said because I had been trying to figure out the rhyme & reason behind certain abilities to various models and couldn't. In particular, I was interested in the way that certain apps seem to behave so differently on streamers than on smart TVs.

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I in particular took interest in what you said because I had been trying to figure out the rhyme & reason behind certain abilities to various models and couldn't. In particular, I was interested in the way that certain apps seem to behave so differently on streamers than on smart TVs.
In all seriousness, I found Netflix Streaming Quality thread elsewhere in this forum to be very educational. There is a poster named michaeltscott who seemed very knowledgeable. He is also in software field like you. He states that the newer apps are based on HTML5 which in essence gives the power to update to Netflix while older apps are rootkit(?) based which requires coordination between Netflix and device maker to develop and push out the changes as firmware updates. Before HTML5, Netflix basically had to create "custom" app for each brand and model hence differences between devices. I could have misunderstood him but that's how I read his explanations. You may understand his explanations much better I did. But the gist I got from him seemed reasonable to me but like I've said before, I may have misunderstood or not completely understood his explanations.
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Forgot to add, IIRC, he also mentioned some apps are rootkit with HTML5 overlay(?) which allows Netflix to push out certain changes like adding Profiles function but something like 3D would require deeper change that would have to be pushed out by the maker as firmware update. And the way things are, the device makers generally do not push out firmware updates for older devices therefore if the device is not capable of Netflix 3D now, it would mostly likely be never capable of Netflix 3D. With 3D being de-emphasized compared to before, I agree that Netflix 3D happening for older devices is remote. Of course, my standard caveat applies to what he said, i.e., I may have misunderstood him.
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Forgot to add, IIRC, he also mentioned some apps are rootkit with HTML5 overlay(?) which allows Netflix to push out certain changes like adding Profiles function but something like 3D would require deeper change that would have to be pushed out by the maker as firmware update. And the way things are, the device makers generally do not push out firmware updates for older devices therefore if the device is not capable of Netflix 3D now, it would mostly likely be never capable of Netflix 3D. With 3D being de-emphasized compared to before, I agree that Netflix 3D happening for older devices is remote. Of course, my standard caveat applies to what he said, i.e., I may have misunderstood him.
I think this answers my question to you. Please understand, I don't desire to follow michael scott and figure out what he knows on the topic. So let me know if I understand you correctly on what he is saying. I will assume the story about "rootkit vs. HTML5" is accurate.

While it is great to believe that HTML5 can be controlled independently by Netflix coders, bypassing the device manufacturer, The reality is that existing devices using older ( Rootkit) technology has to be updated by the mfg to a new app that Netflix can control. If that never happens, these existing devices may never get 3D capable apps, that Netflix can be in charge of. In the real world, I have 13 devices here that I can access Netflix, No two are the same. Plus I have examined 3 others from family members and those are different in Look and feel too. Some have subtle differences but basically, the app is different. I should assume that most of these, maybe all are not using the new HTML5 code. I do agree that older devices, will be ignored by mfgs for updates. Fortunately, for now, my PS3 (an older device) seems to be the most updated device I own, at least an update that interrupts my launch of Netflix almost daily.
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I'm as much a fan of 3D as the next guy. Problem is, Hollywood is not releasing tons of it this year or next year or the year after that. I was pleased to read Star Wars 7 will be 3D. http://www.boxoffice.com/statistics/3d-release-calendar

Netflix in my area has not paid Comcast enough to carry 3D. I was told 4K was due by the end of the year, so have to see how that goes.
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