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post #481 of 628 Old 08-17-2014, 12:16 AM
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Yes, I was trying to accomplish 5 things at once, so my grammatical errors were not a top priority, just finishing what I had to say was regardless how it read.

It seems like you're an engineer, but it also sounds like you work in broadcasting. Either way, it makes more sense now. I have an engineer I work with who does all of our Quant models, and most of my clients are engineers, in Huntsville, AL.

Was that quote you posted from the website link that I posted? I looked at it for almost 2 seconds and then clicked off of it. One of my clients, in Huntsville, was the Vice President of a software company who also did a lot of work for DOD developing software. Back in 2004, he was telling me about this security software they developed for DOD that can capture an image of someone, from a security camera. From that image, they can compile a complete 3D rendering of what this person looks like up close and clearly, while pulling their public records, arrest records, picture of their driver's license, along with a whole lot more information all within minutes. Now, I have no idea how that works, and I don't want to know. Same goes for some clients who are physicists, also own their own company, and strictly work as government defense contractors.

You mentioning these "experts" who write about technology, but know nothing about it, are in every industry. Same thing goes for my industry. Tons of people write newsletters, which are paid subscriptions, and other people buy them because they think the newsletter contains some secret formula. If the person writing the newsletter is so good, then why are they writing newsletters.

One thing I guess I don't understand about the market for 3D equipment is why haven't they come out with a standard for glasses. I have 3 different 3D displays, and each one requires a different type of glasses. My projector can use 2 different types of glasses. Now TV are being manufacturered where you don't need glasses. I'm curious to see how this works and if it'll damage your vision after a period of time. Just when you think technological advancement can't get any better is when you realize how anything can be done. It's just a matter of time before it is.

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It seems like you're an engineer, but it also sounds like you work in broadcasting. Either way, it makes more sense now.
Pretty close! I have two degrees, Chem Engr and Broadcast Engineering. Yeah, a bit mixed up but I got the BE degree first after starting Chem Engineer studies, later finished the Chem Engineering and went on to be a plant mgr in a small chemical company. It was privately owned and when the owner retired, closed the place, I changed careers and combined two hobbies, photography and scuba diving to start a TV production company that got me into TV advertising after I quit diving.25 years in chemicals, 22 years in TV advertising production. Top TV shows I did were the TVShopper, Running the Road, Local Leaderboard, and American Angler, plus 4 other one season shows that didn't work out. I did all the technical and worked with talent and sales people. I've done everything from soft porn for Penthouse to Playboy, to NFL cameraman, to tech director for some full length features and a slew of documentaries I produced myself.

I retired decided to close the ad business as I got tired of traveling ( for business) winding it down, paying off the debt, and selling the equipment, and in 2010 I fully retired to my new career of managing my portfolio. So in a small way I do what you do like a job. My strategy in the market is I trade around core positions. I don't do options but I understand how to use the option chains to select when to buy and sell. I pick based on fundamentals, decide when based on the charts. I have huge positions in some of the biggest names with a well diversified portfolio, holding about 35 positions at a time. I'm first a student, and I read on average of one book on investing in the market a week ( audible.com so I can work while I listen to the read) But I buy the books too so I can view the charts.
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You mentioning these "experts" who write about technology, but know nothing about it, are in every industry. Same thing goes for my industry.
Agree! I get tons of them all the time. I do have a couple of guys I read that list on "seeking alpha" who specialize with analysis on a couple of stocks I hold long. I follow as a student of Jim Cramer and was a subscriber to his service for a year. Most of his basics I follow as they work for me. I do not follow his stock picks blindly but then he says not to do that. I also follow CNBC's Fast Money for tips and ideas and Options action once a week. I'm happy to learn of any others, I promise to check out. I'm never an expert, always a student forever. I pick my teachers carefully.
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Competition and the fact that no technology is perfect for all people. Eventually, all TV systems including projection will be glasses free because the industry is seeking that level as the Holy Grail. We have had usable glasses free displays for over 4 years now but they all have limitations. The biggest and best right now is from Ultra D but it too has some problems and is not a perfect solution. I use a passive here in the edit suite, a Sony projector in the home theater with a roll up screen, and use autostereo glasses free for my field production work ( my hobby ). When I think the price bottoms and the technology peaks, I will get serious and upgrade my Sony 3D projector to the top of the line 4K model.
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Oh yea, Vizio, the #1 television maker in the world, just announced that they're no longer making 3D TVs. What you're going to see is a ramp up in 4K, and then glasses free 3D.
No, what you are seeing is a company that had to change their panel supplier. And the one they are using does not manufacture panels capable of 3D. And right now, 4K/UHD has not been selling like hotcakes. The glasses-free 3D I've seen (UltraD) is not yet as good as 3D with glasses...not to mention that we don't know how adding that will affect the 2D picture on some sets.

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From what I saw the UltraD looks like DVD-BluRay quality on their claimed 4K screens but they don't show res chart tests. They improve quality every year I have been following them. Don't ignore this company. They will someday get it perfect for those interested in the 3D smaller screens. <65"
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Pretty close! I have two degrees, Chem Engr and Broadcast Engineering. Yeah, a bit mixed up but I got the BE degree first after starting Chem Engineer studies, later finished the Chem Engineering and went on to be a plant mgr in a small chemical company. It was privately owned and when the owner retired, closed the place, I changed careers and combined two hobbies, photography and scuba diving to start a TV production company that got me into TV advertising after I quit diving.25 years in chemicals, 22 years in TV advertising production. Top TV shows I did were the TVShopper, Running the Road, Local Leaderboard, and American Angler, plus 4 other one season shows that didn't work out. I did all the technical and worked with talent and sales people. I've done everything from soft porn for Penthouse to Playboy, to NFL cameraman, to tech director for some full length features and a slew of documentaries I produced myself.

I retired decided to close the ad business as I got tired of traveling ( for business) winding it down, paying off the debt, and selling the equipment, and in 2010 I fully retired to my new career of managing my portfolio. So in a small way I do what you do like a job. My strategy in the market is I trade around core positions. I don't do options but I understand how to use the option chains to select when to buy and sell. I pick based on fundamentals, decide when based on the charts. I have huge positions in some of the biggest names with a well diversified portfolio, holding about 35 positions at a time. I'm first a student, and I read on average of one book on investing in the market a week ( audible.com so I can work while I listen to the read) But I buy the books too so I can view the charts.
Yes, it was a pull quote from the real or fake link.
Agree! I get tons of them all the time. I do have a couple of guys I read that list on "seeking alpha" who specialize with analysis on a couple of stocks I hold long. I follow as a student of Jim Cramer and was a subscriber to his service for a year. Most of his basics I follow as they work for me. I do not follow his stock picks blindly but then he says not to do that. I also follow CNBC's Fast Money for tips and ideas and Options action once a week. I'm happy to learn of any others, I promise to check out. I'm never an expert, always a student forever. I pick my teachers carefully.
Competition and the fact that no technology is perfect for all people. Eventually, all TV systems including projection will be glasses free because the industry is seeking that level as the Holy Grail. We have had usable glasses free displays for over 4 years now but they all have limitations. The biggest and best right now is from Ultra D but it too has some problems and is not a perfect solution. I use a passive here in the edit suite, a Sony projector in the home theater with a roll up screen, and use autostereo glasses free for my field production work ( my hobby ). When I think the price bottoms and the technology peaks, I will get serious and upgrade my Sony 3D projector to the top of the line 4K model.
Jim Cramer is an entertainer, not an investor. Growing up, his family had a lot of money, but a good friend of his knew a lot about investing, CFA, etc. They opened a hedge fund togrther, his buddy does all the trading with his family's money, but Jim himself, doesn't know much. We can a correlation analysis on stock prices that he recommends, because we were trying to enter a position, which has to be done as an "order not held" by a trader on the floor, which means no one can see the size of our trade on the order books like you would if you placed a limit order. Plus, we were buying enough shares to equal 3 days trading volume, so it took 2 weeks to fill the order. Well, every time Cramer recommends a stock, it trades up initially, after 2 weeks, it's down below the price it was at when he mentioned it.
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(....meanwhile, back on Earth....)

Has anyone else noticed any stuttering (every 5-10 seconds or so) with Netfix 3D from their TV app?

I'm wondering if it's limited to some combination of my TV (60R550A), my internet connection (FIOS), my connection speed (15Mbps down), phase of the moon, etc., etc., etc., or if it's the way it is.

Send this to all your friends! When will this stupidity end? So hysterical: Vertical Video Syndrome --- a PSA.
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No, what you are seeing is a company that had to change their panel supplier. And the one they are using does not manufacture panels capable of 3D.
I've been searching for more information on this to no avail. Vizio dropping 3D because of supply issues is the first explanation I've heard that makes any sense, but I can't find confirmation on that. Can you provide a link?
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(....meanwhile, back on Earth....)

Has anyone else noticed any stuttering (every 5-10 seconds or so) with Netfix 3D from their TV app?

I'm wondering if it's limited to some combination of my TV (60R550A), my internet connection (FIOS), my connection speed (15Mbps down), phase of the moon, etc., etc., etc., or if it's the way it is.
I remember getting a bit of stutter towards the end of Turtle's Tale several months ago. It cleared up after I turned the set off then on. I haven't seen it since. Then again...I haven't seen much 3D on Netflix at all lately.
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No, what you are seeing is a company that had to change their panel supplier. And the one they are using does not manufacture panels capable of 3D. And right now, 4K/UHD has not been selling like hotcakes. The glasses-free 3D I've seen (UltraD) is not yet as good as 3D with glasses...not to mention that we don't know how adding that will affect the 2D picture on some sets.
Am Tran, the company that manufacturers Vizio TVs has a joint venture on two of their manufacturing facilities with Lucky Goldstar (LG), which is not uncommon. When we all saw flat panel prices drop significantly years ago was a result of a G7 plant opening up, replacing a G6 plant. The G6 plant could produce sheets of glass large enough to punch 3 screens from, where the G7 plant could produce sheets of glass large enough to punch 8 panels from. Am Tran and LG still partner in the manufacturing process of panels and scalar boards, but after that is when they put their own finishing touches on the product. The Vizio brand, along with many other companies, are stopping production on what's selling the least, for some it's plasma TVS and others it's 3D. They're doing this to invest more in the production of UHD sets, or 4K. Actually, it's quite the opposite. They've seen a huge pickup in demand for UHD sets all over the world, with the exception of Europe. Vizio doesn't have as many UHD sets as their competitors. Their Capex, as compared to this time last year, has doubled to 760 billion won. You'll see.
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From what I saw the UltraD looks like DVD-BluRay quality on their claimed 4K screens but they don't show res chart tests. They improve quality every year I have been following them. Don't ignore this company. They will someday get it perfect for those interested in the 3D smaller screens. <65"
Yes, only 3% of their television sales are sets larger than 55".
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No, what you are seeing is a company that had to change their panel supplier. And the one they are using does not manufacture panels capable of 3D. And right now, 4K/UHD has not been selling like hotcakes. The glasses-free 3D I've seen (UltraD) is not yet as good as 3D with glasses...not to mention that we don't know how adding that will affect the 2D picture on some sets.
The Seiki SE50UY04 UHDTV uses a LCD LED edge-lit, 120 Hz panel made by Chimei...which is capable of active 3D. In addition to this information appearing in the TV's EDID, there are 3D options buried in the service manual. Apparently, the only thing missing is onboard electronics and a port for a 3D emitter. Vizio may have felt that passive 3D at the smaller screen sizes was too difficult to implement, and their attempt at active 3D (the XVT3D554SV) was such a disaster they didn't want to risk repeating it.

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The glasses-free 3D I've seen (UltraD) is not yet as good as 3D with glasses...
Boo! Hiss! I am sticking fingers in my ears.
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Boo! Hiss! I am sticking fingers in my ears.

Sigh. Just a matter of time gents.

I imagine a time when all "broadcast" (in whatever form that will be) will have within it regions that show up as 3D periodically for such TVs. For instance, a financial channel completely "2D" in the traditional sense, but containing graphic extents defining a 3D section for pop-out accents for the glasses-free TVs that can handle it.

That kind of thing. It may someday be just one kind of TV, with 3D being assumed to be there because it doesn't hurt anything.

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What degrades the image on the UltraD 4K screens I saw last January is they have a visible dot pitch to the image. Compare to Sony, Samsung, LG 4K screens are as smooth as glass. It may be that they are processing a 4K video signal, but the conversion from electronics to light is not quite there yet.

There were two other lessor known competitors at CES I saw using very similar glasses free screens and they, too had that same dot pitch look. One of those was a French company. I even asked if they were a Ultra D knockoff and of course offended them. They said no, UltraD ripped off their technology.
For us this is a good thing since there will be competition. I believe UltraD has the upper hand since they have already sold their technology to at least one Consumer TV manufacturer. It was supposed to be in the stores in June.

The best looking glasses free is still the Sony Broadcast workstation 24" monitor that used an autostereo technology( similar to the Sony Camcorder 3D screens) but with OLED. Like most autostereo screens you have to see them from one location which is the main disadvantage of that technology for a home TV screen. Perfect for one viewer, though.
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Am Tran, the company that manufacturers Vizio TVs has a joint venture on two of their manufacturing facilities with Lucky Goldstar (LG), which is not uncommon. When we all saw flat panel prices drop significantly years ago was a result of a G7 plant opening up, replacing a G6 plant. The G6 plant could produce sheets of glass large enough to punch 3 screens from, where the G7 plant could produce sheets of glass large enough to punch 8 panels from. Am Tran and LG still partner in the manufacturing process of panels and scalar boards, but after that is when they put their own finishing touches on the product. The Vizio brand, along with many other companies, are stopping production on what's selling the least, for some it's plasma TVS and others it's 3D. They're doing this to invest more in the production of UHD sets, or 4K. Actually, it's quite the opposite. They've seen a huge pickup in demand for UHD sets all over the world, with the exception of Europe. Vizio doesn't have as many UHD sets as their competitors. Their Capex, as compared to this time last year, has doubled to 760 billion won. You'll see.
From Home Theater July 23:

Ultra-HD television, the next-generation console featuring four times the resolution of 1080p, continues to underwhelm at the marketplace, according to new data from IHS.

In a report that underscores a separate study by The Diffusion Group, IHS suggests that UHD TV pricing remains too high to gain meaningful share.

UHD TV shipments share reached 5% among the top 13 LCD brands in May, up from 4% in April, 3% in March and 2% in February. There are no UHD plasma-display-panel televisions, and UHD organic light-emitting-diode (OLED) TVs will be available at the end of this year. The 13 brands account for more than 75% of total LCD TV shipments, and represent more than 90% of overall UHD LCD TV shipments.

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I've been searching for more information on this to no avail. Vizio dropping 3D because of supply issues is the first explanation I've heard that makes any sense, but I can't find confirmation on that. Can you provide a link?
Wish I could. But I read it from two different sources. One of them was VARIETY, the other was a trade publication...perhaps Home Media Magazine, but I can't definitely recall..

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I can send you any sort of info you want. They didn't have a 3rd party making their panels, they made their own panels. It's very common for TV manufacturers to split the cost on the fabrication of a new plant. When don't you look under Am Tran, which is a company in Taiwan who makes TVs under the Vizio name. I bought on of their 3D TVS long ago, then a bought a 1080P 300" projector which had active shutter RF 3D glasses, you had to get an RF emitter to work with them, and you can also use DLP Link 3D glasses. I prefer the RF. My latest TV, which I bought for my bedroom, is a 65" 4K which also has 3D capabilities, but one thing it does well is convert ant 2D image on the screen to 3D, which is pretty cool. Everything from that Home Theater Magazine article is pretty much common sense, but it doesn't say anything useful or include something we don't already know. When they said there are no UHD 4K TVs, well, there never will be any 4K UHD TVs. Manufacturers are discontinuing fabricating plasma sets so they can focus on UHD sets, which are all slightly smaller than 4K. I still own a Samsung plasma and the picture quality is great, but plasmas aren't very "energy efficient." UHD sets are today where flat panel TVs were when they initially hit the market. You've got the early adoptors, which will buy one no matter how much they cost. A 5% market share relative to all TVS sold around the world is a lot higher than I would have guessed. Just wait until Qualcomm, who owns the CDMA technology petents and the digital "E-Ink" used in the original Kindle and Nook, can mass produce their Mirasol technology at a competitive price. You're looking at light reflecting color technology that can run full motion video, is bendable because of the depth of the panel, but this technology could be used on cell phones, TVs, laptops, TV, anything with a screen. Could you imagine being able to use your laptop or cell phone for 2-3 weeks before needing to be charged? All the devices which use their E-ink technology have a battery life of approximately 2 weeks, and Mirasol is even more efficient. Qualcomm just can't fabricate anything using the technology and stay competitive on pricing.

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Oh yea, in case you haven't seen it already, Vudu, the video streaming service owned by Wal-Mart, has been showing 3D movies every now and then.

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Oh yea, in case you haven't seen it already, Vudu, the video streaming service owned by Wal-Mart, has been showing 3D movies every now and then.

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Vudu has been alive on 3D for a few years now. They were first to offer the full package of Frozen 3D and 2D with additional features here in the states, last March, a month before the UK version was released. It's a high quality service but expensive. I have a half dozen titles.

I was going to say that AmTran is not the US based company. It is actually called AmTran Technology Co. Ltd. that makes the Vizio TV's.

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I really hate to say it, but this absurd pricing in 3DBD's has pushed me for the first time ever to almost recommend piracy. I'm looking at what I have to pay for region free things not normally available in the US and I want to puke.

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tgm- have you noticed 3BR has bumped up it's prices too. The special ones like Need for Speed 3D are now $14.99 to rent.
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Yeah, but that's to be expected since they are importing the discs from overseas. It will go down (as FROZEN has) after a while. All their domestic titles still seem to have the same pricing structure.

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I think they went up a dollar on domestic titles awhile back. Didn't they use to be $6.99, now $7.99?
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Send this to all your friends! When will this stupidity end? So hysterical: Vertical Video Syndrome --- a PSA.
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tgm- have you noticed 3BR has bumped up it's prices too. The special ones like Need for Speed 3D are now $14.99 to rent.
I am sounding extremely ignorant, but who is 3BR and 3DBR? Are these Streaming services or just abbrievation for 3d BluRay....
I have yet to find a place that rends 3D media... only Netflix seems to be the only online carrier of 3d content.
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phenderson- here's what I have for 3D:

YouTube, Vudu, and Sony channel ( PS3). Amazon started to carry a couple titles but those are awful (IMO)

3D-Blurayrental.com Is about the best 3D disk rental service we have. For regular 2D I use Redbox.
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I really hate to say it, but this absurd pricing in 3DBD's has pushed me for the first time ever to almost recommend piracy. I'm looking at what I have to pay for region free things not normally available in the US and I want to puke.
You mean you don't already do that? I did it a couple of times, through torrents, and a got a letter in the mail from my internet provider warning me of download copyright content. Now, some sites are offering a VPN to connect through first, and they're constantly changing the IP address so no one can tell who's connected or where the sites are located. It's starting to become a lot more organized and it's impossible to download something that you think is a movie but ends up being something else & the possibility of downloading a virus is virtually non-existent.

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tgm- have you noticed 3BR has bumped up it's prices too. The special ones like Need for Speed 3D are now $14.99 to rent.
On my Sony 4K FMP-X10 media player, every movie costs more than $30.

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You mean you don't already do that? I did it a couple of times, through torrents, and a got a letter in the mail from my internet provider warning me of download copyright content.
No, I don't steal movies. Not yet anyway.

Who was your ISP that warned you of it? I have Verizon FIOS.

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I am sounding extremely ignorant, but who is 3BR and 3DBR? Are these Streaming services or just abbrievation for 3d BluRay....
I have yet to find a place that rends 3D media... only Netflix seems to be the only online carrier of 3d content.
It's 3 bedrooms or 3 Damn bedrooms, depending on the realtor..

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