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I don't think the hobbits first 55 minutes stuck in the same house did much to help the 3d experience.
I thought the Hobbit House scene was a good one, and helped establish all the characters that were going on the journey. Very close to the book. The LOTR Triology was a true 3-book story, but The Hobbit is actually only one book that's been stretched into 3 movies. For this reason, I expect story detail to be strong, which I particularly like having read the book years ago. I saw The Hobbit in a 3D theater, and it was everything I had hoped it would be in a flick directed by Peter Jackson. The dude has got it down when it comes to Tolkien stories.
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I'm a huge sucker for everything The LOTR Extended Edition Trilogy 3D and The Hobbit Extended Edition Trilogy 3D. I just seem that I can't have enough of it. ...I must have over hundred discs easily so far just on them two trilogies, except for the last Hobbit (that would extend my collection to just short of two hundred discs).

The true (real) Cinema lovers and Art connoisseurs...are some of my best 3D friends.
...And they make the best 3D lovers in the world, with true/3DReal dedicated passion.

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Northsky. I read your posts a little too carefully. You made it sound like both the hobbit and LOTR were in 3D in your above post.

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I saw the High Frame Rate version, and it just felt weird. It looked weird. I can't say it looked bad, I'm sure it was technically better, but it was weird and distracting.
I was not a fan of the HFR version. To the point that I avoided it with the second movie. Plus at the local AMC theater, the HFR version was on the smaller screen(real 3D) anyway. I saw the first one twice in the 3D IMAX lite and in the real 3D HFR. The second one I just stuck with the IMAX lite theater in 3D and saw it once. I think I might try out the DOlby ATmos theater, a few miles up the road, if the third movie is in Dolby Atmos with 3D.

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Northsky. I read your posts a little too carefully. You made it sound like both the hobbit and LOTR were in 3D in your above post.

I'm bummed you didn't have a surprise for me there
What! LOTR EE trilogy is not on 3D. ...Don't worry, it will.

* Anything to do with LOTR and I got that often; over ecstatic.
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What! LOTR EE trilogy is not on 3D. ...Don't worry, it will.
I seem to recall that Jackson said the LOTR films were going to be converted to 3D. (But don't know which versions.) Probably for theatrical re-release, after THE HOBBIT films have run their course. Not sure where that stands right now.

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Please release those early and take all my money now!!
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I seem to recall that Jackson said the LOTR films were going to be converted to 3D. (But don't know which versions.) Probably for theatrical re-release, after THE HOBBIT films have run their course. Not sure where that stands right now.
The 3rd and final film of the Hobbit trilogy will be titled "The 5 Armies" and is due to be released on December 17, 2014. I can see that I'll be at our local 3D IMAX over Christmas!!
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I have the extended edition of LOTR on Blu ray but I think that was a mistake. Just wayyyy to long and feels like a lot of unneeded scenes. The extra scenes are also very uninteresting. I need to get the theatrical editions on Blu ray. I won't be buying the extended editions of Hobbit this time. I'm happy with the 3D/2D of theatrical.

I saw the first Hobbit in HFR 3D, but honestly I couldn't tell the difference. I didn't see the 2nd in theater, not sure if I'll go to the 3rd, I might just wait for Blu ray.

A 3D conversion of LOTR? Yeah, I'd probably buy it if it was the theatrical versions.

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I have the extended edition of LOTR on Blu ray but I think that was a mistake. Just wayyyy to long and feels like a lot of unneeded scenes. The extra scenes are also very uninteresting. I need to get the theatrical editions on Blu ray. I won't be buying the extended editions of Hobbit this time. I'm happy with the 3D/2D of theatrical.

I saw the first Hobbit in HFR 3D, but honestly I couldn't tell the difference. I didn't see the 2nd in theater, not sure if I'll go to the 3rd, I might just wait for Blu ray.

A 3D conversion of LOTR? Yeah, I'd probably buy it if it was the theatrical versions.
I thought the extended editions of LOTR were the only ones worth watching. They had all the extra content put back in that was removed from the theatrical version. So many scenes make more sense now or are better explained.
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I thought the extended editions of LOTR were the only ones worth watching. They had all the extra content put back in that was removed from the theatrical version. So many scenes make more sense now or are better explained.
Amen to that. The extended versions capture much more of the books feel. The theatricals just seem to havemerely enough plot to get to the next action beat. The added footage also serves to provide a greater investment in the characters...so much so that the longer version of ROTK seems shorter than the theatrical version. I can't imagine ever watching the theatrical versions again.

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I used to think that too, and I originally bought the extended DVD's around 2004. I think I only watched them once or twice back then. I recently got the extended Blu rays. But I should have just got the Theatrical version. The thing is, it's not a book, it's a movie. Big difference. They were already long movies, and then all the extra scenes, just seemed like filler info and nothing important. If anything, they could have cut more out. Same with Hobbit, mainly the first one. They could have cut out about half the dinner scene at the beginning.

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I have the extended edition of LOTR on Blu ray but I think that was a mistake. Just wayyyy to long and feels like a lot of unneeded scenes. The extra scenes are also very uninteresting. I need to get the theatrical editions on Blu ray. I won't be buying the extended editions of Hobbit this time. I'm happy with the 3D/2D of theatrical.

I saw the first Hobbit in HFR 3D, but honestly I couldn't tell the difference. I didn't see the 2nd in theater, not sure if I'll go to the 3rd, I might just wait for Blu ray.

A 3D conversion of LOTR? Yeah, I'd probably buy it if it was the theatrical versions.
Interesting, because the LOTR trilogy, the Extended Edition; is the better version than the theatrical three films. ...In my book, even if they run roughly an hour each longer.

And the Hobbit, I don't truly care about the Extended Editions. But it don't matter @ all; what does is that they are in 3D.

So, LOTR EE trilogy; yes, give it to me in 3D, BIG time.
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I thought the extended editions of LOTR were the only ones worth watching. They had all the extra content put back in that was removed from the theatrical version. So many scenes make more sense now or are better explained.
...And each film is on two discs; better picture and sound quality*. ...Plus the added content is extremely cool and adds to to the overall presentation, storyline, character's development.
It is the definitive trilogy, the EE.

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I used to think that too, and I originally bought the extended DVD's around 2004. I think I only watched them once or twice back then. I recently got the extended Blu rays. But I should have just got the Theatrical version. The thing is, it's not a book, it's a movie. Big difference. They were already long movies, and then all the extra scenes, just seemed like filler info and nothing important. If anything, they could have cut more out. Same with Hobbit, mainly the first one. They could have cut out about half the dinner scene at the beginning.
Tom, you are tastic. ...Them all are masterpieces from the maestro; nothing to be cut here.

* I think you are the first person ever that I met who prefer LOTR trilogy theatrical version.
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As I said, I used to like the extended versions. But last viewing on Blu ray...it was just too much and I wanted the shortened original version. It had been years since last viewing of these too. The extra scenes, just slowed the pacing down too much and I came to realize they just weren't needed.

No, some friends of mine thought the same thing when they saw Hobbit wondering if Jackson knew what editing was, I'm sure many out there have never even seen the extended versions. But then again, they're not home theater geeks like us. I kind of thought the same thing with the first Hobbit, but the second it felt entertaining from beginning to end, the first one just started a little slow with the dinner scene and was just, well boring for the first 40 minutes.

But I really can't wait for the next installment on 3D Blu ray, theatrical version of course.

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Since the early 1970's, when I first read The Hobbit and later LOTR, myself and countless other Tolkien fans have been clamoring for a well-made movie of these stories. Several attempts were made, but all flopped and/or fell through because of the sheer scope of this tale. Not to mention the gazillion problems involving sets, props, special make-up, costumes, etc. in order to make Middle Earth believable. Otherwise, the story would just look hokey and cartoonish.

Then, along comes a director name Peter Jackson willing to take on this enormous project, and a masterpiece is born. The Hobbit, Tolkien's first novel was written in 1936 and drew inspiration by the poem Beowulf. Lord of the Rings took 10 years to write and came out around 1955. The book became very popular in the 1960's, especially with the younger "earth people" crowd. This is where I first became associated with Tolkien. I had always thought that the music of "Yes" would be a great soundtrack if a movie was ever made of the novels. In fact, if you look at all the Yes album artwork on Fragile & Close To The Edge, you can easily imagine that it must have been inspired by LOTR.

If anyone has not read the actual Tolkien novels, I highly recommend it. Looking forward to the final installment of The Hobbit in December. Now if only the moviemakers can get their hands on the rights to The Silmarillion.
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@ our age a four-hour long movie is quite a challenge too. ...Add 3D on top of that, and our eyes are going to get buttery.

* The first Hobbit was boring to death, my first viewing, in 2D. ...But then in 3D it all just opened up like magic. ...The second, fantastic. ...The third, bring it on.

LOTR EE trilogy in 3D: I'm ready, I was even before they started filming.
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I had always thought that the music of "Yes" would be a great soundtrack if a movie was ever made of the novels. In fact, if you look at all the Yes album artwork on Fragile & Close To The Edge, you can easily imagine that it must have been inspired by LOTR.
That, is awesomely well said. ...Huge Yes' fan here, from all their LPs in the 70s.
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That, is awesomely well said. ...Huge Yes' fan here, from all their LPs in the 70s.
Thanks NorthSky. Super band, and Chris Squire is one of the top guitarist of all time.
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In fact, if you look at all the Yes album artwork on Fragile & Close To The Edge, you can easily imagine that it must have been inspired by LOTR.
That, or by drinking the bong water. I love Yes, but they were *out* there a tad. "Mountains come out of the sky and they stand there." LOL.....

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Aim your sniper scope with real depth like a real pro.
Aren't scopes 2D? I think I only tried one game in 3D, might have been Call of Duty Black Ops. I didn't see much improvement but I'll have to give it another try. I might have 2 games in 3D.


LOTR/Hobbit

I had to read the Hobbit for a Fantasy/SciFi English class for school. I had a hard time with it and didn't finish it. I think just the way it was written, the subject matter was fine, just couldn't get into the style. The same for Dracula, just couldn't read it. Never tried to read LOTR. I suppose I would have had the same problem. Not sure if I'd feel the same way now, perhaps not.

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I used to think that too, and I originally bought the extended DVD's around 2004. I think I only watched them once or twice back then. I recently got the extended Blu rays. But I should have just got the Theatrical version. The thing is, it's not a book, it's a movie. Big difference. They were already long movies, and then all the extra scenes, just seemed like filler info and nothing important. If anything, they could have cut more out. Same with Hobbit, mainly the first one. They could have cut out about half the dinner scene at the beginning.
If you like Tom. I'll trade you my theatrical blu-ray discs of The Lord of The Rings Trilogy for your Extended blu-ray edition.
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3Net is dead?

Closed on August 12, I had suspended my Directv account for 3 months and I just found this out. Now, there's no more 3D on Directv besides ordered movies. Another blow to 3D. It wasn't a great channel but it did have some content from time to time. I still have a few episodes of the National Parks in 3D recorded. This is a pretty big blow, it was a joint effort from Sony, Discovery and IMAX and it failed.

From an article at realscreen:

"Discovery, Sony and IMAX launched 3net to much fanfare in 2011, hoping to capitalize on the emergence of 3D television sets. Despite the hype surrounding the technology, 3D-ready TVs failed to catch on with consumers due to the unpopularity of 3D glasses and the high costs associated with producing 3D content.

"Due to limited viewer adoption of 3D technology, 3net (ch. 107) has been discontinued as of August 12. This channel will no longer be offered to any entertainment providers, including DirecTV,” the satellite provider wrote in a message on its customer support forum.

The closure throws a question mark over the future of 3D television - at least in its current form.

The news comes after ESPN last year announced the closure of its 3D sports network, and the BBC indefinitely shelved plans to produce 3D programming. This month, UK broadcaster Sky confirmed that it would not air Premier League soccer matches on its 3D channel this season.

DirecTV previously axed 3D channel n3D in 2012, citing a lack of consumer interest. It still offers Hollywood blockbusters in 3D via its DirecTV Cinema channel.

At the Consumer Electronics Show in January, manufacturer Vizio dropped 3D-ready televisions from its line-up as other brands shifted focus to 4K technology and glasses-free (or autostereo) 3D TVs."

Looks pretty daunting for 3DTV, if they stop making 3D displays that will put an end to it.

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3D, properly done, is truly a cinema art form on a higher level. ...Another notch/dimension of superior moving pictures experience.

Art, true art, usually die if not associated with financial profits. ...Same with plasma TVs.

I love people who love 2D. I admire people who are 3D lovers. I love 3D.

Stereo sound is big. ...Multichannel surround sound not as much. ...2D sound sounds flat. 3D sound sounds more immersing.
If ever stereo sound dies, that'll be the day. And if more and more channels are added/needed, then we'll need to figure out how to create that magic from only two channels. ...Then two-channel stereo/3D surround will live forever; immortality.

3D picture will never die; it will expire here and there for some time, but it will always resurrect, with more advanced technology and much more immersive movie experience. ...Lasers, holographic images, no glasses, 4D. ...Real-life imageries.
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Lightbulb 4k 3d tv

Everytime i check the 3D 4k TV Trends they keep going staight up ......

http://www.google.com/trends/explore...%204k&cmpt=geo

It would be ironic if the manufacturers get out of 3D just when it's about to take off.
They should be showcasing the 4K advantages to 3D on these new sets & have actual working demos at all the stores.

Let us not mention the 200+ 3D titles now available on BluRay.
+ If you just look at all the new activity on many of the 3D Forums lately, the future looks promising if the manufactures would just put out any effort at all to support it.

The size & quality of TV's (& projectors) are finally starting to show how great 3D can really be in your living room , better than most theaters !

The biggest reasons TV 3D programs have failed so far is lack of Live + New programing, & the drop in resolution when broadcasting 3D.
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3D on Blu is well alive and kicking. ...There are several hundreds of films and documentaries and animations and adults on 3D Blu-rays. ...Much much more than 200, and with hundreds more coming up worldwide.

Keep in touch with the places where it's happening.

And 4K 3D is going to be AWESOME!

Forget 3D from cable/satellite and downloads; there is simply not enough grip to get all the grid.
... Get the Blu Get The Blu Get the Blu
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Yeah, but it was nice just turning on CH 107 and seeing what was already playing. 24/7 3D content that was free (non pay per view). Of course it repeated a lot but nice still. Major disappointment, despite the lower bit rate and repeating content but I'll miss it.

There was a lot of content on 3Net that wasn't available on 3D Blu ray or anywhere else, for that matter. If I'd known they were going to cancel it I would have kept more content saved on my DVR. I just have the National Park series still, but no way to capture it off. Won't work with my HD PVR.

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Data bandwidth?
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Data bandwidth?
Not sure, I've read between 6-8 mbps just like the other HD chs. and they used the same 1920x1080 framing for SbS 3D for 3Net, not sure on the 3D movies, they might be more. 3Net/N3D/ESPN 3D were a noticeably grainy.

I know my HD PVR via component won't capture it. The DVR wants to see HDMI first. I checked on the newer HDPVR 2 with HDMI and it doesn't capture 3D.

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