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MALEFICENT 3D Blu-Ray

In case Disney pulls another FROZEN, this is already up for pre-order in the UKhttp://www.amazon.co.uk/Maleficent-3D-Blu-ray/dp/B00KL779CY?SubscriptionId=AKIAIY4YSQJMFDJATNBA&lin kCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B 00KL779CY&m=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE&tag=bluraycom-21And, for those interested, there'll also be a 3D Steelbook editionhttp://www.zavvi.com/blu-ray/malefic...n=AffiliateWin


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Yeah, I'm almost scared about how they'll be treating this one.

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Our local newspaper movie critic (Detroit) says it has the closest level of 3D effects to Avatar he's seen and really enjoyed it--that from someone who normally dislikes 3D and is usually very critical of all sci-fi fantasy movies.
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Maleficent is magnificent!
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I thought it was a fake 3d / 2d conversion?

It's hard to love Martin Logans and 2.35:1 CIH at the same time...
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I thought it was a fake 3d / 2d conversion?
That doesn't automatically disqualify it from being good 3D, you know.

I saw it in 2D myself, but I had some friends that saw it in 3D, folks that don't normally care one whit for 3D, and they said it was really good. In the end, it doesn't make much difference.. if I buy a new release that's in 3D, I always get the 3D version.

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That doesn't automatically disqualify it from being good 3D, you know.

I saw it in 2D myself, but I had some friends that saw it in 3D, folks that don't normally care one whit for 3D, and they said it was really good. In the end, it doesn't make much difference.. if I buy a new release that's in 3D, I always get the 3D version.
I personally believe it depends upon how much real footage appears in the movie.

The movie Gravity was flat-out jaw dropping fantastic in its use of 3D, and it's a post-con. To what extent this is related to the fact that so very much of the movie are CGI'd machines in space, I can't be sure. But it never occurred to me during the watching of the film that it wasn't shot in 3D, and I normally notice that stuff instantly.

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Gravity was a hybrid release, if I remember correctly. The live footage was shot 2D and converted (using some new techniques), but all of the CGI (of which there was plenty) was rendered natively in 3D.

More importantly, Gravity was envisioned as a 3D film from the start, and Cuaron shot it as if it were a 3D film, even though he was using only one camera. That intention, regardless of implementation (native or conversion), is the single most important factor to the success of a 3D film, IMO (success as a 3D film, not necessarily commercial success, although Gravity did very well in this regard as well). 3D films aren't quite shot the same way as 2D, and a lot of Hollywood doesn't quite seem to realize this. Framing and depth of field are the most obvious differences. That's why 3D conversions done entirely by the studio, without the director's involvement, tend to be lackluster at best and mostly forgettable.

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So there is no current way to buy this in Region A, correct?

It's hard to love Martin Logans and 2.35:1 CIH at the same time...
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So there is no current way to buy this in Region A, correct?
We don't really know (although many are assuming). Right now, with Amazon and Disney fighting, pre-orders aren't even being taken for it. (CAPT AMERICA isn't even listed! And that one's coming in 3D.)

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We don't really know (although many are assuming). Right now, with Amazon and Disney fighting, pre-orders aren't even being taken for it. (CAPT AMERICA isn't even listed! And that one's coming in 3D.)
The Region A countries are everything in North and South America, as well as Hong Kong, Japan, and several other countries.



You could look and see if any of the amazon sites particular to those countries carry it.

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This is slated to be released for Region B Sept 22. Based on what's happening with these releases, I have decided to proceed with a new Multi Region modified 3D BD Player. Seemed like the logical thing to do. Expecting to take delivery on it this week.
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This is slated to be released for Region B Sept 22. Based on what's happening with these releases, I have decided to proceed with a new Multi Region modified 3D BD Player. Seemed like the logical thing to do. Expecting to take delivery on it this week.
Cool. Which one? Oppo? Let us all know if you make a review of it! :-)
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I have an OPPO BD-93 that I will keep as it plays the iso files from a hub of hard drives. It is not region free. But you can buy the chip and install it on the MB for about $70 that will allow you to boot the OPPO player in any other region.

BTW- same company is selling another chip that allows you to install backward compatible firmware and has announced iso file play app version coming soon. For those that have the OPPO 3D players and want this, it looks like it will soon be available.

I wanted a newer BD player that also does Netflix 3D so I purchased the Sony BDP 6200 after tons of reading the reviews. There are actually two versions of this model player with the only difference being a stackable metal cabinet (7200) vs. a non-stackable plastic one (6200). The non-stackable is the one I bought since it was considerably cheaper and my equipment cabinet has a dedicated 3" high shelf for the player.
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Chapter 10 of GI Joe is my top demo and it is converted. Great find on the backfirmware loader chip Don.

I have bought 2 oppo 103 players at Ebay with firmware xxx2091 just to find at install in Moscow, they were not iso friendly.
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Same company also has the 103/105 chips. What they do not have as of yet is the iso app firmware on a CD to back date. They just say coming soon.

My 93 has the old firmware and FWIW, has never failed to play most recent 3D disks including the BD+ and Cinavia disks. My 93 has not been plugged into the internet since I got word OPPO had to remove the feature. I only mention this in that some people believe if your player is not connected to the internet for most recent updates it will not play most recent titles. To date, that has not been the case. I just can't access the internet features since the player is not connected.

I think it is not permitted by AVS rules to post the company as I believe the hack to be "illegal" based on BD assoc licensing. Otherwise I would have posted it here.
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Same company also has the 103/105 chips. What they do not have as of yet is the iso app firmware on a CD to back date. They just say coming soon.

My 93 has the old firmware and FWIW, has never failed to play most recent 3D disks including the BD+ and Cinavia disks. My 93 has not been plugged into the internet since I got word OPPO had to remove the feature. I only mention this in that some people believe if your player is not connected to the internet for most recent updates it will not play most recent titles. To date, that has not been the case. I just can't access the internet features since the player is not connected.

I think it is not permitted by AVS rules to post the company as I believe the hack to be "illegal" based on BD assoc licensing. Otherwise I would have posted it here.
My sony 4k 65 hdmi 2.0 does not like the oppo, requires mediator box. The doremi Integrated Media Board (hdmi input on d-cinema) when i upgraded firmware it killed the oppo, same solution though.

I find that the new mede8ber with the 4 tera internal is one heck of a player. usb 2.0 hubs are a crapshoot also, so the nede8ber with 4 tera capacity and usb 3.0 and pc connectivity may replace the oppos in my future installs...
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I have an OPPO BD-93 that I will keep as it plays the iso files from a hub of hard drives. It is not region free. But you can buy the chip and install it on the MB for about $70 that will allow you to boot the OPPO player in any other region.

BTW- same company is selling another chip that allows you to install backward compatible firmware and has announced iso file play app version coming soon. For those that have the OPPO 3D players and want this, it looks like it will soon be available.

I wanted a newer BD player that also does Netflix 3D so I purchased the Sony BDP 6200 after tons of reading the reviews. There are actually two versions of this model player with the only difference being a stackable metal cabinet (7200) vs. a non-stackable plastic one (6200). The non-stackable is the one I bought since it was considerably cheaper and my equipment cabinet has a dedicated 3" high shelf for the player.
But the spec sheet for the BDP_S6200 shows it's region A / 1, not region free:
http://store.sony.com/wi-fi-sup-sup-...ay-DVD-Players

Is there a different one?

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My sony 4k 65 hdmi 2.0 does not like the oppo, requires mediator box. The doremi Integrated Media Board (hdmi input on d-cinema) when i upgraded firmware it killed the oppo, same solution though.

I find that the new mede8ber with the 4 tera internal is one heck of a player. usb 2.0 hubs are a crapshoot also, so the nede8ber with 4 tera capacity and usb 3.0 and pc connectivity may replace the oppos in my future installs...
Most of that went over my head! I do know the details on the OPPO for iso playback. It isn't a crap shoot. It is simply having the right equipment and firmware. Most of the USB HDD connections work fine with up to 2TB Sata drives and USB 2.0 connection. USB 3.0 and 4 TB is probably not supported in these players.

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But the spec sheet for the BDP_S6200 shows it's region A / 1, not region free:
http://store.sony.com/wi-fi-sup-sup-...ay-DVD-Players

Is there a different one?
Yes, you can't go by the factory stock player. It has to be modified with a chip that is programmed to ignore the region code on the disk, or one that allows the player top boot up in different regions. There are various types of designs. These players usually cost about $50 more than the street price for the modification. Many suppliers out there for all different players. I just chose the Sony for the features it offered and didn't want to spend again for another OPPO. For OPPO, the modification is much easier as you can buy a plugin kit, but the Sony needs to have the chip soldered to the board. So for the price, I'll just let the company do it and it is guaranteed for life.

For now, I don't even own a Region B or C disk so this was more of a way to get ready for a time when I may need to order one.
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Our local newspaper movie critic (Detroit) says it has the closest level of 3D effects to Avatar he's seen and really enjoyed it--that from someone who normally dislikes 3D and is usually very critical of all sci-fi fantasy movies.
Avatar is trash. Despicable me2, tangled, and Coraline. Pacific Rim.

Those are way more 3d than avatar.
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Avatar is trash. Despicable me2, tangled, and Coraline. Pacific Rim.

Those are way more 3d than avatar.
LOL, what does "way more 3D than avatar" mean?
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LOL, what does "way more 3D than avatar" mean?
A Troll. Only interested in getting attention for himself. I try to ignore these posts.
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LOL, what does "way more 3D than avatar" mean?
That means my 4k uhd tv is the best 3d you can get outside the lg 4k.


Period.

1080p to each eye in bright crisp 3d.

I own over 130 3d movies i am vwr much a 3d hobbyist.

I have used avatar, star trek, avengers etc for years.

But the truth is they are not the most immersive 3d you will find.

On my set tangled looks like when your on a disney vacation in one of their new rides.

I have only seen that in animated 3d films.

Not all are like that.

I love maleificent. I hope its like pacific rim which shows objects like the portal floating off the screen.

I have had 3d blurays since they came out.

I own 2 1080p samaungs that do 3d. 1 sony x900a 4k. 1 hu9000 curved 4k.

All do 3d. 3 active 1 passive

The 1 active 4k set is the best damn 3d picture i have ever seen.

I would gladly take on anyone who says im trolling. Its not ok to attack people personally. Dont do it again. If you disagree with my post then disgree with my post.

Calling me a troll because i dont agree with how its cslled doesnt make my statement any less true.

Whats funny is telling my wife you guys think im a troll because i hurt your feelings about avatar.

The movie has its moments. But to say its as 3d as the others is wrong. Most of avatar has some 3d. It goes into the picture for 3d. The 3d doesnt come out of the picture.

The best 3d movies look to be escaping the television.
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My sony 4k 65 hdmi 2.0 does not like the oppo, requires mediator box. The doremi Integrated Media Board (hdmi input on d-cinema) when i upgraded firmware it killed the oppo, same solution though.

I find that the new mede8ber with the 4 tera internal is one heck of a player. usb 2.0 hubs are a crapshoot also, so the nede8ber with 4 tera capacity and usb 3.0 and pc connectivity may replace the oppos in my future installs...
I also had issues getting the oppo to like my sony x900a.

Ive found the panasonic bdt 360 has a cleaner 3d image. Its fairly low cost and is just a beast for movies. Its a very clean player. Once i hooked that up the x9a looked super good.

I even use my superman passive set on it. So good.
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That means my 4k uhd tv is the best 3d you can get outside the lg 4k.


Period.

1080p to each eye in bright crisp 3d.
What on Earth does this have to do with your assessment of Avatar somehow being "trash" ???????

And apparently you're primarily a fan of pop-out?
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What on Earth does this have to do with your assessment of Avatar somehow being "trash" ???????

And apparently you're primarily a fan of pop-out?
Avatar is trash as a "3d movie." My point is im using the best possible set for my assesment.

Yet avatar which is highly regarded here apparently is not spoken of this way in other 3d forums. Why pretend its very good at 3d when the movie clearly is not. So very few parts shine at 3d.

I expect maleificent will greatly exceed avatar at 3d.
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The reason you are thought of by me, anyway, as a troll is because you post a statement out of nowhere that was clearly designed to trigger an argument AND, you offered no actual evidence for your assessment except circular logic. "Avatar is Trash" is stated without any explanation as to what constitutes your idea of " (3D)Trash." You are arrogant because you believe yourself to be an authority because you are able to purchase nice 3D equipment. Nobody here is claiming Avatar to be the best 3D ever done. But we don't believe it to be Trash either.

Let me ask you- Do you have a copy of Avatar on your shelf? If you do then why do you keep "trash" on your shelf? About the best accolade I give to Avatar, is that it sparked a new trend for the few of us who love 3D movies. The story theme, while not original, was engaging entertainment, enough that it was a box office hit whether 2D or 3D. The 3D was done by a highly respected stereographer. For it's day the 3D was close to natural looking which many people favor. It lacked the gratuitous in your face gimmick 3D stereo that is often popular with many of us, especially children. And as such Disney seems to excel in using that to their benefit.

Nobody here is offended because you disagree with us. But your post was considered that of a Troll because the post fit the internet definition of trolling. Personally, I have other movies I like better than Avatar, but I will never deny Avatar the recognition that it resurrected a sleeping art form for all our enjoyment. Kudos to John Cameron for doing that.

A troll's post offers nothing constructive to our enjoyment of 3D.
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It brought that "sleeping art form" into a whole new context of credibility. It was the first time in my life I had watched a 3D film without being acutely aware I was watching 3D....I was that pulled into the film.

So many people lose track of what 3D was prior to Avatar, or at least how it was perceived. You didn't go to a 3D movie to see the story, you went to a 3D movie to see things fly around. Avatar changed all of that. The leap from pre-Avatar to Avatar is far far greater than any leap observable from Avatar to some later film. It was the reason I even considered a 3D TV in the first place. People lose sight of just how much impact that movie had at the time and why.
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It brought that "sleeping art form" into a whole new context of credibility. It was the first time in my life I had watched a 3D film without being acutely aware I was watching 3D....I was that pulled into the film.

So many people lose track of what 3D was prior to Avatar, or at least how it was perceived. You didn't go to a 3D movie to see the story, you went to a 3D movie to see things fly around. Avatar changed all of that. The leap from pre-Avatar to Avatar is far far greater than any leap observable from Avatar to some later film. It was the reason I even considered a 3D TV in the first place. People lose sight of just how much impact that movie had at the time and why.
So what. Its not the best at all anymore. And 3d was included in most all top models.

Pay homage but that doesnt change the fact its not even top 10 anymore.

Tangled, coraline, despicable me 2, spider man 2, life of pi, pacific rim, avengers, gravity, both cars 1 and 2, brave, transformers, pirates of the carribean, mib 3, i mean there are a lot that are a better example of how far 3d has come.

I preach newer movies. You guys preach novelty.

Either way no one has the right to call anyone anything. Use a good logical point like yours. I respect that. But that doesnt make my point less valid.
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Pay homage but that doesnt change the fact its not even top 10 anymore.
Neither is Gone with the Wind or the first Talky. Doesn't make them Trash.

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Tangled, coraline, despicable me 2, spider man 2, life of pi, pacific rim, avengers, gravity, both cars 1 and 2, brave, transformers, pirates of the carribean, mib 3, i mean there are a lot that are a better example of how far 3d has come.
No doubt and I love being able to follow the evolution. I know you keep mentioning Pacific Rim, but were you aware that this was one where the creator fought the studios NOT to do in 3D? Guillermo del Toro finally gave in when the studio threatened to hire someone else to do the 3D. His reason was he didn't know how to capture the look he was after and avoid the miniaturization effect that 3D can create. I think that film taught him several valuable lessons and as it turned out the people liked the 3D version. I did!

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I preach newer movies. You guys preach novelty.
Not always. I preach entertainment and story as primary. Good acting and directing is second. 3D is as important to me as surround sound. It is not primary to me. Being retired from the business, I just do amateur productions now. I still put together lots of 2D work.


You bragged about "owning" 130 3D movies. Actually, I believe you own copies of those movies not the movie itself. I will brag too. I have created and produced over 130 3D productions.
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