Originally Posted by bbc3
I will also say that I am having a growing respect for the LCD technology, as they are really starting to seem like they are not too far off. And I am really afraid to veer off from the Pani's as I am worried of running into issues like grey bars on the sides, or some crazy crap like that - just the small things we take for granted that can prove extremely annoying if stumbled onto in a large purchase by accident. There is no doubt that Panisonic has skimped big time on features in the past. And I am sure this is what kept their price so low. I never cared about crappy-to-worthless sound, or lack of BS tuning features, because the panisonic had what counts which is a solid picture and no unconventional issues (like grey bars). As long as you were looking to purchase a solid screen - they seemed to deliver.
So thanks for the reference. I will look at the threads now on the LGs. Regarding, I will also say there is NO DOUBT these LG screens are extra shiney and would have real issues in well lit rooms, or rooms with light directly on the screen.
I am losing respect for LCD/LED tech. Here is my progression looking for a new TV...
- returned due to dithering, some slight buzzing (barely there), and annoying "panel shuts off" feature when playing dark content. Also this had less than expected black levels for a plasmaPanasonic UT50
- returned due due to buzzing, line bleed, banding, and a green blob in the screen when displaying white content. The green blobs were supposedly fixed for 2012, so possibly I didn't have the "normal" green blob issue. Also, dithering on this TV was about the same as the LG.Panasonic UT50 #2
- returned due to even more buzzing (much louder than the first two!), line bleed, banding, and Panasonic basically flipping me the bird when I asked them a question. This buzzing could be heard clearly during bright video content when the TV was at normal value levels.
Plus I had spent over $100 on new blinds and curtains for my living room to help with plasma glare. So I moved to LEDs...
- cancelled order before it shipped due to the TVs having an "enhanced motion" (aka Soap Opera Effect) feature that could not be turned off. Also these seemed to be like playing loaded gun Russian Roulette with screen uniformity issues. LG eventually released a firmware update that partially addressed the motion settings. Still, I could see uniformity / light bleed problems on multiple LGs in store displays so I just gave up.Samsung EH5300
- returned due to horrible motion blurring, but otherwise a decent TV. Smart TV features stunk though, 2012 Samsung models can't used the Yahoo Widgets (like for Amazon VOD) that the 2011 TVs could use. For Samsung pushing these Smart TVs, the apps really suck.Samsung ES6500
- returning this because of the extremely annoying "CE Dimming" that dims the screen on dark contents in most display modes (you cannot turn this off). Also viewing angle on this was terrible
for the price. Blacks start getting washed out if I move just 2 or 3 feet to either side, 10 feet away from the TV. Just moving back and forth on the couch (centrally locating in front of the TV) has a dramatic effect on black levels. Pretty bad clouding too and light bleed too! There are not cheap TVs, but at this point I felt like I was going backwards.
I am replacing a 2007 Sharp 32 inch 720P LCD that really didn't have any problems. I turned it on, it worked, the screen was always uniform, viewing angle was decent, there was no auto dimming BS, motion handling was above average. 5 years later and I think some of the TV basics have gone downhill instead of getting better. A few years ago, felt like companies were just trying to sell better TVs. Now it is a marketing / feature / thinness war, and picture quality is the casualty.
Anyway, I sent that ES6500 back and bought another LG Plasma. It is cheap enough that I am not going to freak out about it. The glare isn't good, but I usually watch TV at night.