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1. Is 3200 hours too high? I intended to buy a TV for around 1k to get me through the next 4-5 years while the new tech evolves and becomes affordable and I will remodeling the area the TV sits in that time frame. In other words, if this thing lasts 5 years I will be happy.

2. How can I tell if it is IR that may go away or burn in that wont? Is there a recommended procedure for taking steps to help it heal?

Bought a Best Buy floor model 60ST60 about two months ago w/3500 hours on it ($800). Initially it was very easy to be reminded of the brand - Panasonic emblazoned across any sky shots. I purchased the Disney Disk (mentioned many times) and ran the pixel flipper repeatedly. The IR faded noticeably over that return period - enough that I decided to stick it out. After watching "normal" programming, movies, etc., I rarely notice the logo across the middle of the screen - it's definitely getting better.

I'm happy I stuck with it.

As others have mentioned, I do get temporary IR in some cases (menu's, mainly) but nothing that sticks around for long (more than 5-10 minutes of viewing).

Hope you enjoy the set!

BTW - others have addressed the concern about the number of hours. 3500 hours is 3.5% of the lifetime of the set. I think this would get you through 4-5 years without a problem.

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Anyone know of any 65ST60's around the Chicagoland area?
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Bought a Best Buy floor model 60ST60 about two months ago w/3500 hours on it ($800). Initially it was very easy to be reminded of the brand - Panasonic emblazoned across any sky shots. I purchased the Disney Disk (mentioned many times) and ran the pixel flipper repeatedly. The IR faded noticeably over that return period - enough that I decided to stick it out. After watching "normal" programming, movies, etc., I rarely notice the logo across the middle of the screen - it's definitely getting better.

I'm happy I stuck with it.

As others have mentioned, I do get temporary IR in some cases (menu's, mainly) but nothing that sticks around for long (more than 5-10 minutes of viewing).

Hope you enjoy the set!

BTW - others have addressed the concern about the number of hours. 3500 hours is 3.5% of the lifetime of the set. I think this would get you through 4-5 years without a problem.

Awesome. Thanks for the reply. I am stoked on this TV so far.Looks amazing

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I just picked up the 65" ST60 from a furniture store in Boise, Idaho for $1540. They had found it in their warehouse, and apparently it didn't show up on their inventory list. They had just put it on their floor as an "open box" the day before, so it was essentially brand new, and came with all the accessories. As you can imagine, I bought it. It's up in a bonus room that I'm slowly converting into a theater room. Don't even have seating yet. Haha. Can't believe I found it. Wasn't even looking for it. Right place, right time.
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Pauls TV La Habra has a floor model 65st60 for $1500. Sales guy said they were going to start switching the prices back to their reg. pre Tent Sale. So if any one is looking for one hit them up.
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Bought a floor model 60ST60 today....$424 plus tax from a retail store

TV looks to be in great shape...has an April 2013 build date

However...a couple of things
I see a "faint " Sony logo in the right corner on a very bright screen......noticeable when I do the screen wipe feature

Also...the remote doesn't seem to respond to the up/down channel button...other than displaying what channel the TV is currently on

I picked another Panasonic TV remote I have and it did the same thing...so I assume the issue is with the TV

They also gave me 4 pairs of 3D glasses that have Panasonic stamped on them. However I think they are passive and went with another TV they had

I think the Sony logo will come out with some work, My Samsung 3D glasses work fine on Panasonic TV's and I guess I will use the factory warranty to fix the TV channel switching deal

Nice picture though and for the price I thought I had to roll with it



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Wow!! Now that's a steal. Congrats on the ST.
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For anyone looking for a new in the box 60in ST60, the sears outlet website has one available for $1529 for pickup only in Chicago. I had been looking online and calling around for months trying to find a new ST60 before I finally gave up hope last month and resorted to shopping for floor models. After checking the sears outlet page daily for the last month looking at floor models, a NIB ST60 popped up in Oakbrook, IL. Bought online and called to double check as I figured it would be too good to be true....was wrong as it was NIB and never opened. These really have to be some of the very last ones available. Hope this helps someone who was in the market for one of the last Panny's.
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Thanks for the heads up, that's right by my office.
I don't see it anymore on the outlet site but I'll call.
Really want a 65"
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Not sure if it will work but here is the link. It's the Harlem Ave store in the city product number 71536

http://www.searsoutlet.com/d/inventory_details.jsp?cid=892&pid=111558&mode=seeAll&to=cart&pn=1&ps=10&disp=sel&ffmChannelDelModeInApp=SPU&deals=No&itemSelectionType=Reconditioned%20/%20Refurbished&adcell=InvenTabReconditioned&zip=46307
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Found it thanks
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For anyone looking for a new in the box 60in ST60, the sears outlet website has one available for $1529 for pickup only in Chicago. I had been looking online and calling around for months trying to find a new ST60 before I finally gave up hope last month and resorted to shopping for floor models. After checking the sears outlet page daily for the last month looking at floor models, a NIB ST60 popped up in Oakbrook, IL. Bought online and called to double check as I figured it would be too good to be true....was wrong as it was NIB and never opened. These really have to be some of the very last ones available. Hope this helps someone who was in the market for one of the last Panny's.

I bought my 60ST60 floor model the other day at Sears for $425 plus tax

in no way would I pay $1529 for a new in box unit

there are deals WAY cheaper than that

lets remember the 65" VT was selling for $1999 a few months ago

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I bought my 60ST60 floor model the other day at Sears for $425 plus tax

in no way would I pay $1529 for a new in box unit

there are deals WAY cheaper than that

lets remember the 65" VT was selling for $1999 a few months ago

Its a pity that Sears didnt carry the VT this year


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Good for you Warren. Maybe not everyone wants a year old plasma with 3k plus hours on it. Looked at floor models for over a month in the Chicagoland area and everyone was either damaged, missing something, or had burn in, and all were over $1,000. Not sure where you got one for $400 but like I said good for you. Point of my post was to help anyone out who was hoping to find a NIB st60 at a price that they once sold for.
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I bought my 60ST60 floor model the other day at Sears for $425 plus tax

in no way would I pay $1529 for a new in box unit

there are deals WAY cheaper than that

lets remember the 65" VT was selling for $1999 a few months ago

Its a pity that Sears didnt carry the VT this year


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Yeah and lets remember that 1999 was a blowout clearance price, not what they had been selling for. If memory serves me the 65ST60s were selling for around 2400 before they were discontinued so I would think 1529 for a nib 60ST60 is a pretty good deal in todays market. Tell us where we can get one cheaper? Sounds like you got a good deal on one with issues but not everyone wants to spend the time looking and then have to settle for a used one that may or may not have issues if they have the money to buy nib.

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Don't mind the presumptuous one. I'm a little surprised he bought a Panasonic at all given past remarks, but everyone has their price. To imply the ST60 isn't worth a penny over $425 is an insult to the bargain it represents at even $2k.
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When bought new at the beginning of its product life cycle, yes. For what it offers, yes. I can't speak for your average imbecile who doesn't put any value on PQ. TVs almost always depreciate unless you get in on the ground floor with a TV that retains its value due to being 5 years ahead of the competition (i.e. Pioneer Kuro).
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Good for you Warren. Maybe not everyone wants a year old plasma with 3k plus hours on it. Looked at floor models for over a month in the Chicagoland area and everyone was either damaged, missing something, or had burn in, and all were over $1,000. Not sure where you got one for $400 but like I said good for you. Point of my post was to help anyone out who was hoping to find a NIB st60 at a price that they once sold for.

then those people will pay what ever the prevailing price is...right?..if it HAS to be new in box

Missing things on this TV...remote ...glasses is really meaning less money should they need to be purchased...owner's manual is available online

So what were they missing that would be more than $25 to replace?

burn in is the only issue that would be a concern..and that is if it is true burn in and just IR

bought mine at Sears

Mine has an April 2013 build date

Lets assume it has been on for 24 hours for the last year...an over assumption to be sure but just to make it simple..that is 8760 hours( 9% of its life)
Any modern plasma is rated at 100,000 hours...OR stated another way..far more hours than I will ever watch it before it is a dinosaur product

Even if it only makes it to half that amount
I have 8 hours a day usage left for 14 years

I am good with that for $425 plus tax...especially considering this is a secondary TV with the Samsung F8500 being my main one


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Don't mind the presumptuous one. I'm a little surprised he bought a Panasonic at all given past remarks, but everyone has their price. To imply the ST60 isn't worth a penny over $425 is an insult to the bargain it represents at even $2k.

actually

if you read many of my past remarks, over the past years you would know I have bought a few Panasonics in the past.....rolleyes.gif

bought an ST50 last year.....bought a few before that one though the ST50 is the only one I still owned prior to this ST60 purchase

I was no way implying that the ST60( in a 60") size was worth no more than $425
I bought it for a price that I didnt think I could pass up and I wasn't even in the market for another "toy"
It is the best Tv I have owned other than the samsung F8500... it is clearly better than my Panasonic ST50 or Samsung E8000 Plasmas



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Yeah and lets remember that 1999 was a blowout clearance price, not what they had been selling for. If memory serves me the 65ST60s were selling for around 2400 before they were discontinued so I would think 1529 for a nib 60ST60 is a pretty good deal in todays market. Tell us where we can get one cheaper? Sounds like you got a good deal on one with issues but not everyone wants to spend the time looking and then have to settle for a used one that may or may not have issues if they have the money to buy nib.

its all relative

the $1999 VT was WIDELY available online and in retail stores...AND its a better TV than the ST in every way. Lets be clear about that

since really after looking at the TV, I purchased, the only issue it has is that it wont change channels with the remote...a simple warranty issue that will take a couple of hours of my personal time to meet an in home repairman

even if some have the money...which is moot point because EVERYONE wants a deal no matter what they can actually pay


I would bet 95% would take the deal I got...given a choice over a $1529 deal NIB


what do you think?


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its all relative

the $1999 VT was WIDELY available online and in retail stores...AND its a better TV than the ST in every way. Lets be clear about that

since really after looking at the TV, I purchased, the only issue it has is that it wont change channels with the remote...a simple warranty issue that will take a couple of hours of my personal time to meet an in home repairman

even if some have the money...which is moot point because EVERYONE wants a deal no matter what they can actually pay


I would bet 95% would take the deal I got...given a choice over a $1529 deal NIB


what do you think?


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I think it's a stupid argument, that's what I think.

 

No question the VT60s are better than the ST60s, haven't seen anyone argue that and I own both. That 1999 deal was not widely available and while it was, it was for a very short period of time because they were snapped up like vultures at that price in a matter of weeks.

 

If what you are saying is true (and I'm doubting it) I'm sure everyone on here would jump all over the deal you say you got, no question about it. Congratulations. The only problem is that deal is one and a million and unreasonable for anyone else to expect to run across. You got extremely lucky, simple as that.

 

Bottom line is, if you really want one of the last of these great TVs you'd have to be an idiot to wait around hoping a deal even close to that will fall in your lap.

 

Like I said, if you can point me to another deal even close to that, discount wise, on an good condition S60, PS64, ST60, VT60 or ZT60, please PM me because I'll be all over it! If you can't, stop spouting off about how the rest of us are idiots.

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then those people will pay what ever the prevailing price is...right?..if it HAS to be new in box

Missing things on this TV...remote ...glasses is really meaning less money should they need to be purchased...owner's manual is available online

So what were they missing that would be more than $25 to replace?

burn in is the only issue that would be a concern..and that is if it is true burn in and just IR

bought mine at Sears

Mine has an April 2013 build date

Lets assume it has been on for 24 hours for the last year...an over assumption to be sure but just to make it simple..that is 8760 hours( 9% of its life)
Any modern plasma is rated at 100,000 hours...OR stated another way..far more hours than I will ever watch it before it is a dinosaur product

Even if it only makes it to half that amount
I have 8 hours a day usage left for 14 years

I am good with that for $425 plus tax...especially considering this is a secondary TV with the Samsung F8500 being my main one


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Once again good for you Warren. I have not come across a $425 60 in st60 with IR so that was not an option for me and probably won't be an option for most others either. The st60's where I live for 1 year old floor models are over a $1,100+. Unlike you this is not my secondary tv and I would prefer to make an investment on a television that's not broken with possible burn in. To me it was a no brainer to pay $300-$400 more for a NIB st60 vs a year old scratched up st60 with possible burn in like the floor models I was seeing. Like I said before my post was to help out anyone who might be in the market for one of the last new panny's which what I thought was the purpose of this thread. It appears someone else was willing to pay $1500+ as well as the tv is no longer available...guess they couldn't find a $425 broken st60 with IR either.
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Once again good for you Warren. I have not come across a $425 60 in st60 with IR so that was not an option for me and probably won't be an option for most others either. The st60's where I live for 1 year old floor models are over a $1,100+. Unlike you this is not my secondary tv and I would prefer to make an investment on a television that's not broken with possible burn in. To me it was a no brainer to pay $300-$400 more for a NIB st60 vs a year old scratched up st60 with possible burn in like the floor models I was seeing. Like I said before my post was to help out anyone who might be in the market for one of the last new panny's which what I thought was the purpose of this thread. It appears someone else was willing to pay $1500+ as well as the tv is no longer available...guess they couldn't find a $425 broken st60 with IR either.

what someone is willing to pay and what others have paid can be vastly different amounts

The Pioneer Kuro and Sharp Elite LED are prime examples of that...with some paying about 1/3( or less of what others paid)

I HEAR people are paying some decent money for used Kuro's these days...even though they were available for less than 50% off NIB at Best Buy when they were current and far less than 50% as open box/display items

you think some temporary IR is an issue with a plasma?....really?...I asked since you mentioned it twice in your post
The IR is the ST60 I bought is already gone after some typical viewing

btw...what parts were the TV's missing that you mentioned in your earlier post?
Where are these TV's widely available for $1529 NIB?

On another note.....I agree with you

the purpose of this thread is for people looking for the last of the now discontinued ST60's

that is what I posted

I didnt say it was a nationwide deal...that is probably not even a possibility due to the inventory level of this TV

this deal will come again as Sears clears out displays. They follow a fairly rigid markdown model

This TV...along with the LG google TV LED of last year( for an example) seem to be models that they have slated to blow out


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I think it's a stupid argument, that's what I think.

No question the VT60s are better than the ST60s, haven't seen anyone argue that and I own both. That 1999 deal was not widely available and while it was, it was for a very short period of time because they were snapped up like vultures at that price in a matter of weeks.

If what you are saying is true (and I'm doubting it) I'm sure everyone on here would jump all over the deal you say you got, no question about it. Congratulations. The only problem is that deal is one and a million and unreasonable for anyone else to expect to run across. You got extremely lucky, simple as that.

Bottom line is, if you really want one of the last of these great TVs you'd have to be an idiot to wait around hoping a deal even close to that will fall in your lap.

Like I said, if you can point me to another deal even close to that, discount wise, on an good condition S60, PS64, ST60, VT60 or ZT60, please PM me because I'll be all over it! If you can't, stop spouting off about how the rest of us are idiots.

so...you had a deal available for a matter of weeks at the nations largest electronics retailer and the nations largest etailer and the deal was posted on about every "deal" message board I had ever seen
It was also priced matched at several regional retainers and smaller etailers as well

and you think that does not constitute widely available?

ok.....rolleyes.gif


as for who would pick what TV..Panasonic $425 open box vs $1529 MIB.....I am putting money on my bet in my earlier post

And you doubt I actually got the deal i posted....?

is there a way we can put a wager on that?

I am more than willing to post the receipt......what are you willing to wager that I didnt get this deal..?.....biggrin.gif

You dont know me well enough..or should I say you havent been on AVS forum long enough if you think I talk ANY BS

But easy money is a beautiful thing......tongue.gif

As I stated in another post

what I paid is the LOW end of Sears markdowns on these TV's
I have followed( and bought) TV deals from them for a few years

They have a a very regimented markdown process on TV's...certain models they seem to "blow out" each year. This is one of the models

btw...who said anyone was an idiot?...where is that assumption coming from?
oh...and just to add a little more "realism"....I paid just a little more for a Samsung 64F8500 than what I see these NIB prices are for the Panasonic 60ST60

and from someone who owns both...the Samsung F8500 is in another league...and should be based on their respective MSRP/s


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IR is a big deal when you bring your floor model home and realize after a few weeks it's not IR it's burn in. And the $3,000 64F8500 for a "little more" than $1529??? Another great deal for Warren. So for $1529 tell me what would have been a better NIB television for me to buy for that price or less? Not everyone is as gung-ho about floor models as you are and can or are willing to wait for them to hit rock bottom after sitting on the floor for nearly a year.
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Lets assume it has been on for 24 hours for the last year...an over assumption to be sure but just to make it simple..that is 8760 hours( 9% of its life)
Any modern plasma is rated at 100,000 hours...OR stated another way..far more hours than I will ever watch it before it is a dinosaur product

Even if it only makes it to half that amount
I have 8 hours a day usage left for 14 years
That's just the panel's rated life...the power supply or a control board is likely to fail well before 100,000 hours and probably 50,000 as well.
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if you read many of my past remarks, over the past years you would know I have bought a few Panasonics in the past.....rolleyes.gif

bought an ST50 last year.....bought a few before that one though the ST50 is the only one I still owned prior to this ST60
Congrats...Panasonic wasn't on my radar until last year. That's how it is when one gets spoiled by the best and what remains the reigning quality champ for at least 5 years. I can't blame you for seeking out the best deal you can...that's being frugal, but I also don't hold any judgement against those who pay a little more for new product (i.e. I grabbed a new in-box ZT for many times more than the demo you scored, but I wasn't interested in waiting months to get it...because time is also money).
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so...you had a deal available for a matter of weeks at the nations largest electronics retailer and the nations largest etailer and the deal was posted on about every "deal" message board I had ever seen
It was also priced matched at several regional retainers and smaller etailers as well

and you think that does not constitute widely available?

ok.....rolleyes.gif


as for who would pick what TV..Panasonic $425 open box vs $1529 MIB.....I am putting money on my bet in my earlier post

And you doubt I actually got the deal i posted....?

is there a way we can put a wager on that?

I am more than willing to post the receipt......what are you willing to wager that I didnt get this deal..?.....biggrin.gif

You dont know me well enough..or should I say you havent been on AVS forum long enough if you think I talk ANY BS

But easy money is a beautiful thing......tongue.gif

As I stated in another post

what I paid is the LOW end of Sears markdowns on these TV's
I have followed( and bought) TV deals from them for a few years

They have a a very regimented markdown process on TV's...certain models they seem to "blow out" each year. This is one of the models

btw...who said anyone was an idiot?...where is that assumption coming from?
oh...and just to add a little more "realism"....I paid just a little more for a Samsung 64F8500 than what I see these NIB prices are for the Panasonic 60ST60

and from someone who owns both...the Samsung F8500 is in another league...and should be based on their respective MSRP/s


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You're a funny man! Just now coming to me who you are....

 

Just so happens I've bought 3 or 4 S60 and ST60 Sears floor models or returns in the last few months and have mentioned on here before they are one of the better places to buy a floor model because they run their own programming and don't leave the things on espn day and night to get burn in. They also normally have everything that came with the TV as well. Congrats again on knowing about Sears (like no one else did?) My point was 1529 for a NIB 60ST60 right now is a damn good deal if you can find one.

 

And yes, I still contend they were not widely available at great prices for long. Amazon is the ONLY one that had any major inventory and as soon as they found out Best Buy had hardly any left when they but them on sale, Amazon went back to their old blowout price within hours.

 

What you're forgetting, or not willing to acknowledge, is everybody didn't know how special these TVs are, nor that they had or were going to be discontinued. What about the people that are just now coming into the market for a new TV and finding out they missed the boat on these?

 

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 I bought my 60ST60 floor model the other day at Sears for $425 plus tax

in no way would I pay $1529 for a new in box unit

there are deals WAY cheaper than that

lets remember the 65" VT was selling for $1999 a few months ago

 

Again, good for you but the rest of your comments are ridiculous..

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I know this is the st60 deals thread but what would a new in box 55ST50 go for. I found a couple of these through my military px stores.
Wont find them on any of their websites though.

Ive got some stuff
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I know this is the st60 deals thread but what would a new in box 55ST50 go for. I found a couple of these through my military px stores.
Wont find them on any of their websites though.
Price now is higher than when they were still in production. I believe retail was around $1500, and if you had EPP, it was $1249.

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IR is a big deal when you bring your floor model home and realize after a few weeks it's not IR it's burn in. And the $3,000 64F8500 for a "little more" than $1529??? Another great deal for Warren. So for $1529 tell me what would have been a better NIB television for me to buy for that price or less? Not everyone is as gung-ho about floor models as you are and can or are willing to wait for them to hit rock bottom after sitting on the floor for nearly a year.

true...IR is not a big deal

Burn in is

in my experience you can sweep a screen for 15-20 minutes and see some change if its IR...and then make your decision at that time
As I bought this at a Sears retail store it is also returnable, per their standard return policy.

I dont know what you mean by "gung-ho" on floor models

That is not the case ..its simply a situation for enough of a discount, and I think this was, I will make it work

For $200 difference between what I bought and a new box unit, would I have bought it?..probably not

But..if people are paying( as I think was said earlier) over $1500 for a new box unit then I say $424 was a pretty good price for mine..

I assume you would have passed on the deal?

And btw..yes I did a little more than the $1529 for a 64"f8500...as did many others who got in on the Conn's closeout deal

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