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I actually think it was Best Buy that started that deal and Amazon changed their price to match. When they saw Best Buy had no 65VT60's in stock they raised the price back up again.

This is correct.

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I would not think that someone with ZT60 taste could be satisfied with a $800-1000 receiver(MSRP)...but I know it happens all the time
Phew, I'm safe. My SC-05 had an SRP of $1800. wink.gif
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Phew, I'm safe. My SC-05 had an SRP of $1800. wink.gif
HAHA! That was a close call.
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I don't need to do any math and I also know everyone on the internet can afford anything they want.

My point is, you said the F8500 isn't worth the price. I wasn't asking if you would keep your old TV, my question was more about someone who needs to buy a new TV. If the F8500 isn't worth it's retail price, what TV in a 65" size will offer you the same pq as an F8500 at a much lesser price?

So to me, based on what is available at those sizes under $2,000, yes the VT, ZT and F8500 do justify its higher price for its superior pq to anything less. If pq isn't important to you, then of course you won't spend that much on a TV but it's doesn't mean the price isn't justified.

then why even include this sentence

"...Most people that say something like this is because they cannot afford to buy a TV that cost $2999"

and saying I can afford to pay $2999 for a TV means nothing, other that I can...and really is being able to afford that really any big deal?

I said I would not pay $2999 for the TV...you asked what I would do..and I told you what i would do..
In my situation, with the expectations that I have for both audio and video performance...I would have upgraded audio had I not found the Conn's deal

if I was in the situation where I NEEDED a new TV....which I assume you meant that one's current TV is broken?

I have never been in situation so perhaps I look at things differently

but as many deals as I have gotten over the years...and seen others get them as well

It would be VERY hard for me to pay anywhere near what the prevailing retail price is
As many deals as there have been..now and in the past, its all about waiting and being observant

As I said in an earlier post...TV's have gotten like computers what's hot today is probably going to be lukewarm tomorrow

Clearly...I have never been an early adopter on any A/V product and if that means paying retail..I never will

btw..I assume you paid retail?

To answer another one of your questions.....basically what else could I buy in this size if I had to pay retail....

Nothing, is my answer
However ..before I paid retail for one of these my audio system would have to far exceed my expectations, because that cost would far exceed the cost of one of these TV's


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Phew, I'm safe. My SC-05 had an SRP of $1800. wink.gif

again...its all about taste and preferences

I currently have an SC37...that I paid $450 for...Magnolia clearance.....it replaced an SC07. As I recall both their retails were $1999(SC07) and $2199(Sc37)
neither would satisfy my audio expectations in my main listening area

on another note I think the SC05 had an MSRP of $1599....its been a few years( and I never owned one) but that is the number I remember


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This is correct.

interesting...as locally my Magnolias had inventory when Amazon was sold out...

in any case...with the no tax scenario that many have with Amazon i am certain those were moving quickly


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then why even include this sentence

"...Most people that say something like this is because they cannot afford to buy a TV that cost $2999"

and saying I can afford to pay $2999 for a TV means nothing, other that I can...and really is being able to afford that really any big deal?

I said I would not pay $2999 for the TV...you asked what I would do..and I told you what i would do..
In my situation, with the expectations that I have for both audio and video performance...I would have upgraded audio had I not found the Conn's deal

if I was in the situation where I NEEDED a new TV....which I assume you meant that one's current TV is broken?

I have never been in situation so perhaps I look at things differently

but as many deals as I have gotten over the years...and seen others get them as well

It would be VERY hard for me to pay anywhere near what the prevailing retail price is
As many deals as there have been..now and in the past, its all about waiting and being observant

As I said in an earlier post...TV's have gotten like computers what's hot today is probably going to be lukewarm tomorrow

Clearly...I have never been an early adopter on any A/V product and if that means paying retail..I never will

btw..I assume you paid retail?

To answer another one of your questions.....basically what else could I buy in this size if I had to pay retail....

Nothing, is my answer
However ..before I paid retail for one of these my audio system would have to far exceed my expectations, because that cost would far exceed the cost of one of these TV's


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I included that line because I know most people would just say, sure I can afford a $3,000 TV but choose not to. I also look at is as affording and a budget to spend $3,000 on a TV 2 different things.

I did not pay retail in my 65VT60. I actually got a sick deal on it. I paid $1,999 for a new 65VT60 from Amazon and after getting cach back rewards from my Chase Freedom card my cost was $1,725 total. My budget was $2,2000 on a new TV because that was what I felt comfortable spending. Do I think people who paid retail for the VT60/ZT60 or F8500 got ripped off. No, because they are the best TV's one can by and nothing cheaper comes close to the PQ on them not taking great sales into account here. If you were to spend less and not find a deal, then you would be taking a huge hit in pq no matter what one would choose so yeah, I do think the prices of these top tiers are fair compared to what you get for less.
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interesting...as locally my Magnolias had inventory when Amazon was sold out...

in any case...with the no tax scenario that many have with Amazon i am certain those were moving quickly


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If Best Buy had any left they were in such limited qty that Amazon did not feel the need to price match it on there site for more then 2 hours.
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I included that line because I know most people would just say, sure I can afford a $3,000 TV but choose not to. I also look at is as affording and a budget to spend $3,000 on a TV 2 different things.

I did not pay retail in my 65VT60. I actually got a sick deal on it. I paid $1,999 for a new 65VT60 from Amazon and after getting cach back rewards from my Chase Freedom card my cost was $1,725 total. My budget was $2,2000 on a new TV because that was what I felt comfortable spending. Do I think people who paid retail for the VT60/ZT60 or F8500 got ripped off. No, because they are the best TV's one can by and nothing cheaper comes close to the PQ on them not taking great sales into account here. If you were to spend less and not find a deal, then you would be taking a huge hit in pq no matter what one would choose so yeah, I do think the prices of these top tiers are fair compared to what you get for less.

I didnt say anyone got ripped off

I said I would not pay it...simple as that

Anyone who has been on AVS for a period of time knows that ANY TV , at a point, is the subject of discounting...many times substantial discounting

I recall some buying the Kuro at 50% off( at Magnolia)...that waited a few months after Pioneer announced they were leaving the business

The early buyers..not so much

Ditto with the Sharp Elite LED


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again...its all about taste and preferences

I currently have an SC37...that I paid $450 for...Magnolia clearance.....it replaced an SC07. As I recall both their retails were $1999(SC07) and $2199(Sc37)
neither would satisfy my audio expectations in my main listening area
Well, bully for you. It's pretty spectacular, even it doesn't have as many bells and whistles as the latest and greatest. The amp is the most significant part of the package, and the ICE amps are no slouchers.
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on another note I think the SC05 had an MSRP of $1599....its been a few years( and I never owned one) but that is the number I remember
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If Best Buy had any left they were in such limited qty that Amazon did not feel the need to price match it on there site for more then 2 hours.

BB didnt have them on website anymore...but did in store

so based on that Amazon probably would not price match


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Well, bully for you. It's pretty spectacular.

on another note I think the SC05 had an MSRP of $1599....its been a few years( and I never owned one) but that is the number I remember
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/AV-Receivers/Elite+Receivers/SC-05[/quote]

I like the SC37 as well.......smile.gif...or I would have sold it

btw..that page you linked goes no where.....


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It's fixed now. If you notice, the quote was malformed so it interfered with the URL. Needless to say, I didn't just pull $1800 from my hat. That was Pioneer's SRP. I ultimately paid in the vicinity of $700 on Ebay, so I guess that means I cared more about audio than you. tongue.gif
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It's fixed now. If you notice, the quote was malformed so it interfered with the URL. Needless to say, I didn't just pull $1800 from my hat. That was Pioneer's SRP.

thanks

I also see the Sc07( which I used to own) has a suggested retail of $2200

funny..I dont recall it being that high many years ago when I bought it

its a moot point anyway as I paid no where near the retail price

hopefully you didnt either

funny as well...the website shows the MSRP of the SC37 and SC07 being the same

I seemed to recall a $200 difference at the retail level... having owned both there was a definite improvement in the SC37 vs the SC07
Again....a moot point compared to actual transaction prices anyway


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I didnt say anyone got ripped off

I said I would not pay it...simple as that

Anyone who has been on AVS for a period of time knows that ANY TV , at a point, is the subject of discounting...many times substantial discounting

I recall some buying the Kuro at 50% off( at Magnolia)...that waited a few months after Pioneer announced they were leaving the business

The early buyers..not so much

Ditto with the Sharp Elite LED


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What I really should have said is one person spending $3,000 on a TV might be the same as another person spending $1,000 based on their financials so they don't need to wait for it to go on sale.
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I seemed to recall a $200 difference at the retail level... having owned both there was a definite improvement in the SC37 vs the SC07
Again....a moot point compared to actual transaction prices anyway
You're just giving me the upgrade bug with talk like that. wink.gif Priorities demand that I must wait. mad.gif
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What I really should have said is one person spending $3,000 on a TV might be the same as another person spending $1,000 based on their financials so they don't need to wait for it to go on sale.

who said any one HAS to wait

its all relative....just because someones budget ( and taste/expectations) are at the $3K or $1K level...and they can afford their respective products

It doesn't mean they don't want to pay FAR less......smile.gif

IMO....for about the third time now

these Tvs are like computers...something will be hot next year
It always is
As many times as I have changed TV's in my main HT area..(4 times in 6 years)... Its clear that TV technology( and feature set) ages and changes quickly, while prices fall


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You're just giving me the upgrade bug with talk like that. wink.gif Priorities demand that I must wait. mad.gif

if you are talking AVR's...that ship already sailed in late December/early January at the Magnolia clearance...65-70% off retail

But..I understand priorities

As I said before I was looking to upgrade my pre/pro when the Conn's deal came along out of the blue

I was not in the market for a TV...but I am happy for what I paid....biggrin.gif

Now...all I need is one of the pre/pros I want at about 50% off retail.....LOL....


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who said any one HAS to wait

its all relative....just because someones budget ( and taste/expectations) are at the $3K or $1K level...and they can afford their respective products

It doesn't mean they don't want to pay FAR less......smile.gif

IMO....for about the third time now

these Tvs are like computers...something will be hot next year
It always is
As many times as I have changed TV's in my main HT area..(4 times in 6 years)... Its clear that TV technology( and feature set) ages and changes quickly, while prices fall


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It also doesn't matter to people who don't want to wait 8 months for the price to drop. We all know these things drop in price towards the end so your not telling anyone here something we don't already know.

Do you think Donald Trump is going to wait for an F8500 to go on sale? Is it going to have any effect on his back account? While we might not have Donald Trumps here I am sure we have many people here who make good money and don't feel the need to wait 8 months to get something they want when they want it.
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Though..you have to understand that there are many that dont value sound nearly as much as video
This..to me is obvious in the fact that Magnolia Home Theater( and a few other places) dont carry audio that is commensurate with its video offerings

I would not think that someone with ZT60 taste could be satisfied with a $800-1000 receiver(MSRP)...but I know it happens all the time

Magnolia Design center( and smaller local shops) have the audio that IMO...goes with a premier display


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Not next year, LG will have 3 --- 55" units, one flat, one curved, and one curved with 4K. They will have 1---77" that is curved and 4K.

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It also doesn't matter to people who don't want to wait 8 months for the price to drop. We all know these things drop in price towards the end so your not telling anyone here something we don't already know.

Do you think Donald Trump is going to wait for an F8500 to go on sale? Is it going to have any effect on his back account? While we might not have Donald Trumps here I am sure we have many people here who make good money and don't feel the need to wait 8 months to get something they want when they want it.

huh?

then those that want to be early adopters can pay full price....this product is no different than anything else in that regard

to paraphrase your words....I am not saying anything that is not common knowledge......
You are not saying anything that is not common knowledge either about early adoption and price point paid

Those of us that have been buying equipment for many years know fast and dramatic price drops can be...ie..my examples of the Pioneer Kuro and Sharp Elite LED

do yourself a favor and see what many were paying( here in AVS forum archives) for those at the end of their life cycle...the discount was extremely dramatic

As for the "Donald Trump" example...I cant imagine that people with that type of money aren't giving these( or similar price point items) to their housekeeping staff for gifts
lets be clear how minimal of a cost something like the cost of this TV could be

I just wont pay full price...and it really has nothing to with affordability

anyway....like I said 45 days or so in regard to the VT60..just a couple of weeks before the price dropped again...smile.gif

If one is interested in the F8500 and doesn't have to have it right NOW...I say we will see some of these "short term" prices that we saw from TD,Amazon Conn's and others return
I think mid to late March will be a good time for deals on this TV


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Early adopters pay the price, get the bugs, but are watching a TV They Want, NOW!
Patient people wait a few months until a lot of the bugs are gone, prices have dropped, and then purchase. And they only lose a few months of viewing.
Bargain hunters will wait until end of cycle for model changes so the current model drops in price even further. And they lose that many more months of viewing, but gain, most bugs are fixed, may get a set that has now been made cheaper to get the price point down, and are now sitting with an outdated model, while the early adopters have now moved on to the newer, and supposedly better model.
Desperate people are those who's set has bit the dust and need a set NOW! And will grab the best price at the time.
ALL of us are purchasing current models to get us through to buy the Ultimate OLED that requires all the above: patience, bigger pocketbook, understanding wife, a FLAT OLED, and the hope these new units will last longer than 2 years.
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Early adopters pay the price, get the bugs, but are watching a TV They Want, NOW!
Patient people wait a few months until a lot of the bugs are gone, prices have dropped, and then purchase. And they only lose a few months of viewing.
Bargain hunters will wait until end of cycle for model changes so the current model drops in price even further. And they lose that many more months of viewing, but gain, most bugs are fixed, may get a set that has now been made cheaper to get the price point down, and are now sitting with an outdated mode, while the early adopters have now moved on to the newer, and supposedly better model.
Desperate people are those who's set has bit the dust and need a set NOW! And will grab the best price at the time.
ALL of us are purchasing current models to get us through to buy the Ultimate OLED that requires all the above: patience, bigger pocketbook, understanding wife, a FLAT OLED, and the hope these new units will last longer than 2 years.

some good words there.....smile.gif

added to that ... sizes bigger than what I have seen thus far in that technology


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some good words there.....smile.gif

added to that ... sizes bigger than what I have seen thus far in that technology


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ALL of us are purchasing current models to get us through to buy the Ultimate OLED that requires all the above: patience, bigger pocketbook, understanding wife, a FLAT OLED, and the hope these new units will last longer than 2 years.
I wonder if this is how wife's tale's started with plasma's .........
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added to that ... sizes bigger than what I have seen thus far in that technology


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