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post #1021 of 1312 Old 08-06-2014, 03:51 PM
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Glad to hear you're so happy with your purchase! Looks terrific in your setup. It was inspirational looking at your pics.

I'm really happy with my 60F8500. Apart from a slight buzz, it is a fantastic image and everything I expected it to be.
Thank you! I am very happy with this TV. Glad to hear you're happy with yours too. Samsung did a fine job for their final reference panel.
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Looking for a 60" F8500 to replace this problematic, out-of-warranty ST50 of mine while plasmas are still available. The 51" is too small for me, but I'm hoping to keep it under $1800, so it seems like my options are grey market or wait (pray) for some kind of sale? Based on some earlier posts I'll definitely have a stroll through my local Hhgregg, though.
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Looking for a 60" F8500 to replace this problematic, out-of-warranty ST50 of mine while plasmas are still available. The 51" is too small for me, but I'm hoping to keep it under $1800, so it seems like my options are grey market or wait (pray) for some kind of sale? Based on some earlier posts I'll definitely have a stroll through my local Hhgregg, though.
Grey market is risky. I originally bought from Greystone appliance, which is now bankrupt. American Express returned my money to me, but I had a descent chunk of change in limbo for awhile and that was supposed to be the more reputable grey market.

I ended up buying from Paul's (authorized seller) the second time which on the F8500 includes free white glove delivery. With the 15% coupons they were running and once they even had a 20% coupon it was within $100 or exactly the same as the grey market 2014 model, not the 2013 commercial version. Did anybody ever have one of those actually delivered?

However, just out of the return period my 60" F8500 has a pixel stuck on green. Argh. It's been stuck that way for 2-3 weeks now and nothing I have tried has unstuck it. I now have opened up a service request with samsung (what a pain) and we'll see how it turns out.

The TV's picture is awesome, but in general the reliability of samsung products sucks.
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Yeah, I'm a little wary of grey market. No warranty, yes? Last thing I need is a $1600 paper weight or costly out of pocket repair bills.

Hhgregg can get me a floor model PN60F8500 for $1800 including tax and shipping, but it has to be shipped from somewhere else so I can't see it beforehand. Best Buy can get me one for $1800 plus tax (6%), including shipping, but I've actually seen it in store. From what I can tell it looks free of IR, don't see any dead/stuck pixels offhand (but not sure if they'll let me check it with color slides). Was told it's been in store for about a month but they don't know where it was before that.

I don't have a vehicle capable of carrying this thing, so once I get it delivered, that's pretty much it. Assuming it's IR-free, is there anything absolutely horrible about buying a floor model plasma?
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I would ask them if I could check runtime on the panel.
On the remote, hit MUTE-737-ENTER. A popup will appear with diagnostic information. The hours on the panel will be labeled as MRT

To clear the popup, you need to power cycle the set.
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I'll try that, thanks. How many hours should I be wary of? Half life is still a long way off even at a couple thousand, or should I just be worried about general wear and stuff?
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If you have Chase Visa (perhaps any Visa), Chase is offering 5% back on Amazon starting October 1.
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Sorry it's taken me awhile to respond.. I don't think there are any hard numbers to go by, I would go by my gut. If it were me, I wouldn't want a panel with more than 1500 hours on it. Probably less.
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Haven't had a chance to get back to the store yet, but I have a feeling it's quite a bit more than that. My store is open 11 hours a day, and they've had it for a month, so that's probably over 2,000 hours already. And depending on where it was before that, it could be even more.

Samsung is still making these things through November, right? I don't know how long I want to wait to see if there will potentially be any more sales. It might have just been me, but it seemed like Panasonic's plasmas disappeared earlier than I read they were planning on ending production.
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Hello all,

I wanted to be a contributor to this thread as AVS Forums for so many years and everyone involved help me tremendously with all my AV questions.

I was curious in the last 1-2 weeks of the status of new Plasmas in 2015. I currently have a PN63C8000 since Dec 2010 which is flawless but thought I'd see what was on the horizon (I had too much time on a Saturday). Looking into OLED found that it is just too expensive and for 4K content isn't ready for a while. Wife was pretty annoyed as the existing 63C8000 still needs a home and all my friends / co-workers are too cheap to buy a high end TV even at a fire sale price. Prior to the 63C8000 I went with the local dimming Samsung LED which was the highest end at the time (2008/2009) but fails to compare to Plasma miserably as all of you are aware.

Lead me to reading reviews of the F8500 and after 10s of hours I wanted either the VT/ZT or F8500, but want became high desire when I read about the Panasonic and Samsung Plasma situation. I started my search as my PN63C8000 was $3700 out the door back then it was bundled with 3D glasses, Shrek, Sammy BDP and 4 yr warranty (Best Buy) didn't want to get stuck paying too much again. Have a friend of a friend at Brandsmart that has a 64F8500 (Display Model) for $1998 + $249 (5 yr) total with tax $2382 but found after looking at it the glass had a couple deep scratches and was in torch mode for 6-12 months also June or July 2013 Manufacturer date.

He then referred me to another Brandsmart farther away who had 2 open boxes that were supposedly flawless but wanted $2398 + $249 5 yr warranty for the open box plus I'd have to travel or have it delivered not sure if that would include delivery. Considered 2 online vendors and they were 2100-2200 with risk involved with delivery and I don't have the time to meet someone for that delivery unless on a Saturday. Online vendors selling for a low price don't seem to be authorized dealers.

Lead me to taking a couple hours of time yesterday and making calls to all places that had stock locally or could order. Brandsmart & Best Buy are the only ones available with the PN64F8500 in my area (Miami/FTL/WPB). Contacted 3 Best Buy locations, 2 of them Magnolia, on my last attempt just before I gave up on Best Buy (previous 2 people were jerks and said lowest $2999) I got lucky with a real cool manager who is a younger guy that has a ZT himself and asked me if I was buying because it is the last great Plasma. Told him I was trying to find a decent deal on a new 64F8500 instead of display or open box but I would consider a good open box with no bad marks on it. He asked about Brandsmart and I told him $2398 price he said he could match it but not beat it because the margin was almost at cost. We spoke for a little while and he said he would tell the other manager as I was going to drive down there (20 min drive from my home).

Drove down there last night, got there 30 min before closing (8:30pm) and spoke with the other manager that was not informed of the deal I made with previous manager both Magnolia managers. He showed me a display 64F8500 which they had priced @ $1999 I'm pretty sure he would have discounted that one which I was tempted but after seeing the abuse of the Brandsmart one I decided to go for the $400 more if possible. He took my word for it (price of $2398) and even helped me with home delivery included which was $70 normally. I was out the door for $2542 6% tax from Best Buy with confidence of it being an Authorized Dealer. My plan is to get the Costco warranty for 5 years ($90-$100) their warranty states it must be purchased from an Authorized Dealer. I looked up my previous 63C8000 purchase almost 4 yrs ago and I paid $500 for that warranty, never used it. I'm excited for the delivery but have to sell the 63C8000 before I can mount the 64F8500 so it might have to wait. Hoping Ebay or Craigslist will find a good local buyer any other places I should advertise?

TL;DR: You can find a deal at Best Buy for the same as online unauthorized dealers, you just have to find the right person that will be nice enough to give you a good deal and make a small margin. If the price was too low I'm sure the other manager would have called the manager I spoke with to verify but he seemed perfectly OK with the price "match".
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So you got a new, in box 64F8500 for $2542 from Best Buy/Magnolia? That is an excellent price, I haven't been able to get my Magnolia to budge at all off the UMRP of $3099.
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So you got a new, in box 64F8500 for $2542 from Best Buy/Magnolia? That is an excellent price, I haven't been able to get my Magnolia to budge at all off the UMRP of $3099.
+ on this. Although I didn't spend much energy trying because in my area there isn't another local competitor who stocks the F8500, Best Buy is about the only ones now that Ultimate Electronics is out of business. So my only chance at a price match is with Amazon or Newegg, and both of them have it for the same price as Best Buy. The price hasn't changed, I check it at all 3 places every day and it hasn't budged. So I just decided to order mine for $3,099 to be sure I got one before they were sold out.


But I signed up for the Best Buy credit card and will get 10% back in rewards, which brings it down to about $2,799 plus tax. But I have 45 days for return/price match, so I'll continue to watch Amazon and Newegg daily to see if they have a lower price that I can get Best Buy to match.
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+ on this. Although I didn't spend much energy trying because in my area there isn't another local competitor who stocks the F8500, Best Buy is about the only ones now that Ultimate Electronics is out of business. So my only chance at a price match is with Amazon or Newegg, and both of them have it for the same price as Best Buy. The price hasn't changed, I check it at all 3 places every day and it hasn't budged. So I just decided to order mine for $3,099 to be sure I got one before they were sold out.


But I signed up for the Best Buy credit card and will get 10% back in rewards, which brings it down to about $2,799 plus tax. But I have 45 days for return/price match, so I'll continue to watch Amazon and Newegg daily to see if they have a lower price that I can get Best Buy to match.

Same with me, they claim that Samsung sets the price and they can't go any lower. Although I probably can't talk the wife into $3K for a TV, so I'll probably just order the 60"
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Same with me, they claim that Samsung sets the price and they can't go any lower. Although I probably can't talk the wife into $3K for a TV, so I'll probably just order the 60"
I wonder if different Best Buys have different policies (or just more lenient managers)?

I might stop looking for a floor model and just go to a few stores with Magnolia and tell them I'd buy a new 60" on the spot if I could get it for $2100. Suppose it couldn't hurt to try. $300 for piece of mind over the floor model I was going to buy, which isn't bad, $500 over grey market (probably more after tax) but has a warranty.
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I live in Canada and I have 3 options for this TV.

1 - 64 inch for $2800

2 - 60 inch for $2650

3 - 60 inch floor model for $2100

What should I do? I think the 64 might be too big for my room
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There is no such thing as too big. ;-)
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I live in Canada and I have 3 options for this TV.

1 - 64 inch for $2800

2 - 60 inch for $2650

3 - 60 inch floor model for $2100

What should I do? I think the 64 might be too big for my room
Think of it this way, if "think and might" are the terms you're using to describe how you feel, then it probably isn't. If it was really too big, you'd know it.

64.5" vs 60"
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I wonder if different Best Buys have different policies (or just more lenient managers)?

I might stop looking for a floor model and just go to a few stores with Magnolia and tell them I'd buy a new 60" on the spot if I could get it for $2100. Suppose it couldn't hurt to try. $300 for piece of mind over the floor model I was going to buy, which isn't bad, $500 over grey market (probably more after tax) but has a warranty.

All stores have the same policy, they should NOT sell the F8500 for any less than what Samsung themselves sell it for. Only option is to price match a competitors price, and here you will have the best luck if the competitor has a brick and mortar presence in your area. Or else the competitor has to be a major online presence like Amazon or Newegg, and since they are Samsung Authorized Retailers they will have it for the same price as Best Buy.


I would say 99% of the time if Best Buy adjusts their price to match a competitor, it has to be a competitor who has a local brick and mortar presence in that area, or the sale price is at one of Best Buy's official price match sites. Any discounts outside of that are really the exception rather than the norm and would indicate someone not following Samsung's pricing policy.
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All stores have the same policy, they should NOT sell the F8500 for any less than what Samsung themselves sell it for. Only option is to price match a competitors price, and here you will have the best luck if the competitor has a brick and mortar presence in your area. Or else the competitor has to be a major online presence like Amazon or Newegg, and since they are Samsung Authorized Retailers they will have it for the same price as Best Buy.


I would say 99% of the time if Best Buy adjusts their price to match a competitor, it has to be a competitor who has a local brick and mortar presence in that area, or the sale price is at one of Best Buy's official price match sites. Any discounts outside of that are really the exception rather than the norm and would indicate someone not following Samsung's pricing policy.
If it's Samsung's policy I'm guessing it would be the same way at Hhgregg? Both stores were definitely willing to haggle on the price of the floor models (which were already reduced price to begin with), but I can see that being a totally different situation. Oh well.
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It's fun how bestbuy can't lower the price but they will give you reward points which is pretty much like taking money off. How about just giving people more reward points then while charging full price on the item to get around it.

I have a 10% off coupon on any one item plus reward points currently 10% combined for 20%. I wonder what samsung thinks of all these store reward points that retailers seem to be doing every where these days.
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Anywhere I can find that 10% off coupon? Or is it a limited thing?
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All stores have the same policy, they should NOT sell the F8500 for any less than what Samsung themselves sell it for. Only option is to price match a competitors price, and here you will have the best luck if the competitor has a brick and mortar presence in your area. Or else the competitor has to be a major online presence like Amazon or Newegg, and since they are Samsung Authorized Retailers they will have it for the same price as Best Buy.


I would say 99% of the time if Best Buy adjusts their price to match a competitor, it has to be a competitor who has a local brick and mortar presence in that area, or the sale price is at one of Best Buy's official price match sites. Any discounts outside of that are really the exception rather than the norm and would indicate someone not following Samsung's pricing policy.
I tried three different stores, two wouldn't budge off the price, the third wouldn't budge on price, but offered me 10% off on all accesorries, I declined then they upped it to 20% (still not worth it in my opion)

Looks like I'm just going to pick up the 60" this weekend (tax free weekend in my state)

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It's fun how bestbuy can't lower the price but they will give you reward points which is pretty much like taking money off. How about just giving people more reward points then while charging full price on the item to get around it.

I have a 10% off coupon on any one item plus reward points currently 10% combined for 20%. I wonder what samsung thinks of all these store reward points that retailers seem to be doing every where these days.
I don't think this TV qualifies for the 10% off

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/regularc...DCMP=rdr117747
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^^ This TV does NOT qualify for the 10% off coupon. I got a 10% off coupon when I signed up for their credit card, and it basically excludes a majority of the items in store outside of store brand stuff and accessories (for example, nothing in Magnolia, no Samsung TV's or Blu Ray Players, no Sony TV's or Blu Ray Players, no Xbox One and no PS4, nothing Beats or Apple, the list goes on and on).


Due to UPP vast majority of Best Buy locations (especially Magnolia) are trained to not honor ANY discounts on UPP protected Samsung products. They don't want to get in trouble with Samsung and have them refuse to sell them new products or be stripped of Authorized Retailer status.


I too was hoping I could get 20% off essentially (10% off coupon plus 10% back in rewards) but that won't happen. I know for other purchases Best Buy usually allows you to apply a rewards coupon to a previous purchase to get a discount off what you paid, not sure how they will handle it for the F8500, but when I get my 10% back in rewards (over $300) I'll take it in and try to get them to give me the discount.
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If it's Samsung's policy I'm guessing it would be the same way at Hhgregg? Both stores were definitely willing to haggle on the price of the floor models (which were already reduced price to begin with), but I can see that being a totally different situation. Oh well.
Yeah, floor model is a different story, no policy applies there. Samsung's price policy is for brand new in box merchandise. Once it's open box or a demo model, stores have much more leniency to discount it. Obviously you won't be able to sell open box merchandise or a highly used demo floor model for the same price as brand new in box.
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Due to UPP vast majority of Best Buy locations (especially Magnolia) are trained to not honor ANY discounts on UPP protected Samsung products. They don't want to get in trouble with Samsung and have them refuse to sell them new products or be stripped of Authorized Retailer status.
Do they really think Samsung would refuse to sell their premium TV's to the largest Electronics retailer in the US that carries high end models?
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Do they really think Samsung would refuse to sell their premium TV's to the largest Electronics retailer in the US that carries high end models?

Samsung created UPP policy for a reason, and the only way you get people to follow it is by having consequences or penalties for retailers that don't follow your policy. Samsung flat out said anyone not following their UPP policy will have consequences, and legally as a business Samsung can decide who they want to sell their products to or not, and Samsung also determines who it classifies as "Authorized Retailers" or not. Apple has the same policy, same with Sony and a multitude of other manufacturers now. It is becoming the norm and is billed as a way to level the playing field between brick and mortar stores vs online only stores. Everyone should have the same price so no one has an unfair advantage on price.


So Best Buy, Amazon and others absolutely KNOW that Samsung would refuse to sell them their premium TV's if they don't follow Samsung's UPP policy, Samsung has already very bluntly said there are consequences for not following the policy. Why do you think the price for the 64" F8500 is the same at Best Buy, Amazon, Newegg, Buydig, etc? Coincidence? It's specifically because of UPP. If UPP was an empty threat Amazon would lower their price to beat other competitors.
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Samsung created UPP policy for a reason, and the only way you get people to follow it is by having consequences or penalties for retailers that don't follow your policy. Samsung flat out said anyone not following their UPP policy will have consequences, and legally as a business Samsung can decide who they want to sell their products to or not, and Samsung also determines who it classifies as "Authorized Retailers" or not. Apple has the same policy, same with Sony and a multitude of other manufacturers now. It is becoming the norm and is billed as a way to level the playing field between brick and mortar stores vs online only stores. Everyone should have the same price so no one has an unfair advantage on price.


So Best Buy, Amazon and others absolutely KNOW that Samsung would refuse to sell them their premium TV's if they don't follow Samsung's UPP policy, Samsung has already very bluntly said there are consequences for not following the policy. Why do you think the price for the 64" F8500 is the same at Best Buy, Amazon, Newegg, Buydig, etc? Coincidence? It's specifically because of UPP. If UPP was an empty threat Amazon would lower their price to beat other competitors.
I agree that they can't make a common practice of selling them below the UPP price

I'm talking about the consumer that comes in and wants to buy a TV, receiver, 5 speakers, a sub.......

I can also go through my employers website to Samsung directly and get the TV for a couple of hundred less
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Id like to see Samsung even think about pulling there products from best buy. Can you imagine how that would affect Samsung earnings. Could Samsung survive as an internet only retailer selling it direct. I think retailers refused to sell Samsung due to the UPP policy Samsung would swallow with a big gulp. The CE market is already flooded with phones, tvs and tablets. One less brand to the dizzy array of brands for the consumer to sift through.

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Id like to see Samsung even think about pulling there products from best buy. Can you imagine how that would affect Samsung earnings. Could Samsung survive as an internet only retailer selling it direct. I think retailers refused to sell Samsung due to the UPP policy Samsung would swallow with a big gulp. The CE market is already flooded with phones, tvs and tablets. One less brand to the dizzy array of brands for the consumer to sift through.

Every retailer would have to refuse to sell Samsung products for that to have any weight. And like it or not Samsung products continue to be very popular in the market, so any retailer not carrying the most popular Samsung products puts themselves at a very distinct disadvantage


Bear in mind what Samsung and Sony are doing is NO DIFFERENT than what Apple has been doing since the very beginning. You don't see crazy sales on Apple devices, for the most part they are the exact same price regardless where you buy it. People have accepted this fact with Apple, odd to then raise a stink because Samsung or Sony are doing the exact same thing. This model is more so the norm rather than the exception like it once was. Nearly EVERY major manufacturer is doing this now in some shape or fashion, no incentive for Samsung to not do it if all their competitors continue to do it.
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Every retailer would have to refuse to sell Samsung products for that to have any weight. And like it or not Samsung products continue to be very popular in the market, so any retailer not carrying the most popular Samsung products puts themselves at a very distinct disadvantage


Bear in mind what Samsung and Sony are doing is NO DIFFERENT than what Apple has been doing since the very beginning. You don't see crazy sales on Apple devices, for the most part they are the exact same price regardless where you buy it. People have accepted this fact with Apple, odd to then raise a stink because Samsung or Sony are doing the exact same thing. This model is more so the norm rather than the exception like it once was. Nearly EVERY major manufacturer is doing this now in some shape or fashion, no incentive for Samsung to not do it if all their competitors continue to do it.

Not every retailer just the big ones like amazon, bestbuy, walmart etc. Samsung would likely change its policy before retailers take a loss. Look at the Panasonic plasmas. Before they got out of plasmas people reported going in and getting some deals on ZTs and VTs in the early days of its release, so its not every major manufacturer.

Apple doesn't matter not that I agree that's its ok for them and no one else. Most of there sales were ipods now its iphones and tablets. Most phones are suplimented through there cell carriers. We're talking $500 products to $3000 tvs.


f8500 for $3000 has big profit margin for retailers. Why does Samsung care? If they sell a tv to all retailers for 2k. They make the same amount on it no matter what other retailers sell it to there customers for. This UPP pricing only now works in todays world because a lot of small businesses have been put out of business by big box stores. Less competition. I can't believe people advocate on there behalf to get less deals. I guess if there is a fairness aguement to be made I'd wage that war on how internet sales avoid getting around paying sales tax.


I guess the question remains why is it ok that Samsung allows there products to earn reward points in stores or coupon codes like pauls tv. Those points can be manipulated to be any amount of savings passed on to the consumer. If you wanted to be a stickler on UPP take all discounts in all shapes and forms away period.
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