I just got my pn60f8500 from Abe's. good news is I have the tv, bad news is it was a hassle. Listed in Abe's at 2200 vs. 2800 from my local guy. He wouldn't match price so I took a stab at Abe's. I live in nj, so had to pay tax, but knew where their Edison store location was so at least I felt like they weren't a shadow storefront. Ordered tv with free shipping to be delivered in 5-6 business days on a Sunday. Monday I get a call from the shipping dept. told that the way free shipping works, it will be transferred from truck to truck and not recommended. They had an option for fed ex at 175 bucks or his recommendation, a local guy who would provide white glove install and shorten ship time. I told them that ill stick with the free shipping as promised on site. This sent the guy down a path of charging me insurance at 7% of the purchase price since they don't stand behind the shipping they promote on the website. If you click on a link below the price of the product he explained, this was explained....really? so I haggled with the guy for a while and ended up paying for that fast white glove delivery at a discounted rate. Got an email on Tuesday that order was sent to warehouse. No updates for 1 week called and told it would be shipping any day. 3 days later it shipped and I got number for delivery guy. I offered to pick up tv myself, no go. 3 days later a dude in a panel vn dropped it off...he was rude, didn't want to spend any time waiting for me to check out tv and left the box etc sitting in my living room. I ended up paying 2500 bucks, so saved 3-400 bucks, but don't believe their shipping claims or delivery windows. So far tv working well.