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Somewhere on the internet, and/or the 2013 VE shootout...along with the fact that my July build has a prod. # of 10,xxx, and my Oct. build has a prod. # of 15,xxx, with production ending in Dec., would probably put the production numbers around 20,000. Whether or not its for "each size" of the ZT, or the 60" and 65" combined, I do not know. All I care about is the availability of replacement panels if one fails.

As any of us going through the "microfracture" replacement issue have heard from Panasonic, there are NO replacements available for either the whole set or the "panel." Basically, due to the unique bonding process on these, the panel is a single piece unit consisting of the actual plasma panel which is in turn bonded directly to the front "one sheet of glass" design on these things. As such, they were only stocking complete replacement TVs, which somehow have completely run out before they even stopped selling the model.

Also, I think AVJ over at the other forum said something about 20,000 being made for Europe, with something like another 30,000 (between 60 and 65") being made for the North American market.
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As any of us going through the "microfracture" replacement issue have heard from Panasonic, there are NO replacements available for either the whole set or the "panel." Basically, due to the unique bonding process on these, the panel is a single piece unit consisting of the actual plasma panel which is in turn bonded directly to the front "one sheet of glass" design on these things. As such, they were only stocking complete replacement TVs, which somehow have completely run out before they even stopped selling the model.

Yeah I remember mentioning that I think in response to your original post with the fractures that it seemed like the design of this TV not only results in the potential problems like the micro-fractures if there's too much undue stress on that front sheet, but also would make it virtually impossible to just replace the panel itself.

That's unfortunate that they're out of replacements frown.gif
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just returned from the BB Magnolia in Harstdale NY (Westchester County) and they have a 65ZT60 with 2594 hours on the panel that they said they would sell for $ 2,700

They also stated that they don't have any 65ZT60 or 60ZT60 in stock

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just returned from the BB Magnolia in Harstdale NY (Westchester County) and they have a 65ZT60 with 2594 hours on the panel that they said they would sell for $ 2,700

They also stated that they don't have any 65ZT60 or 60ZT60 in stock

Not much of a "deal"...but at this point...
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Not much of a "deal"...but at this point...

A starting point for a discussion. Another place in Westchester is selling new for $ 3,700 which at this point may not be a bad price

As they say "he who hesitates is lost" How many people cried when the Kuro was gone - "OH I SHOULD HAVE"

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A starting point for a discussion. Another place in Westchester is selling new for $ 3,700 which at this point may not be a bad price

As they say "he who hesitates is lost" How many people cried when the Kuro was gone - "OH I SHOULD HAVE"

I did, when I didn't have the loot for the last 500M at a local store. Fortunate enough this time around...especially given that I just took out my 700U while moving the stand it was on last Sat. rolleyes.gif

Also, for those who didn't know, a new 65ZT60 was going for as low as $2,799 when on sale/Employee Pricing.

Good luck all who want one and are currently looking.
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I always thought that the CE manufacturer had to keep a certain amount of inventory on hand for warranty issues, but that doesn't seem to be the case. Reading how suseptible the ZT60 seem to be due to the single pane of glass, what can those who have the Panasonic warranty and aftermarket extended warranties expect when these panels fail?

Will they issue checks? They can't replace them with Panasonic plasmas if there aren't any. I'm sure Panasonic won't give you an LG or Samsung, will they give you an LED?

Just curious.


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I have no idea. May be able to get boards, speakers, wifi cards, etc. I went another route for "warranty".
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I always thought that the CE manufacturer had to keep a certain amount of inventory on hand for warranty issues, but that doesn't seem to be the case. Reading how suseptible the ZT60 seem to be due to the single pane of glass, what can those who have the Panasonic warranty and aftermarket extended warranties expect when these panels fail?

Will they issue checks? They can't replace them with Panasonic plasmas if there aren't any. I'm sure Panasonic won't give you an LG or Samsung, will they give you an LED?

Just curious.

You probably get their POS LED offering that costs just as much as the ZT but performs like an 800 dollar vizio.
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I'll take the refund....that's what the likes of SquareTrade and Mack typically do for those that are economically irreplaceable.
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I would think knowing that Panasonic is not keeping warranty inventory, and the possibility of getting a POS in the event the panel fractures or fails, would make many feel uneasy about their purchase.


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I'll take the refund....that's what the likes of SquareTrade and Mack typically do for those that are economically irreplaceable.

Are they required to give you a check, or is it at their option? What would you buy in it's place?


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Most here have already gone down that road, however...the deals are now gone, so it does tip the risk/reward ratio in the negative direction.
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That has the potential to suck.


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Are they required to give you a check, or is it at their option? What would you buy in it's place?
Required? Probably not, but I suspect they'll give you the option (I need to recheck the terms). I would look towards *gulp* Vizio in 2014 (maybe a Samsung plasma), otherwise let it accumulate interest for a 65" OLED in 2015? wink.gif
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(18) 60ZT60s avail. on amazon, via Paul's, for $2,999.
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Also, I think AVJ over at the other forum said something about 20,000 being made for Europe, with something like another 30,000 (between 60 and 65") being made for the North American market.

So what happens then if we have that problem?

 

http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-VIERA-TC-P60ZT60-60-Inch-Plasma/dp/B00BC4SL18/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1390939965&sr=8-1&keywords=ZT60

 

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Here's my opinion on what will happen. If you're set breaks during the warranty period Panasonic will just offer you a refund for whatever you paid for the set. If you are out of warranty, you're SOL smile.gif

My advice, pick up a $99 SquareTrade Warranty from Costco.
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Here's my opinion on what will happen. If you're set breaks during the warranty period Panasonic will just offer you a refund for whatever you paid for the set. If you are out of warranty, you're SOL smile.gif

My advice, pick up a $99 SquareTrade Warranty from Costco.

I would bet that some will be given an option for refund checks and perhaps once Panasonic's "Studio Master LED" is officially out on the market (for people who experience warranty necessitating issues several months down to the road), they may offer those as an alternative or a "pay for" upgrade. Sony is famous for doing this type of bargaining and "offering in lieu of" when they can't fix what you had.

What would the squaretrade warranty do? Certainly if there's no more new ones available that won't benefit you over and above the Panasonic factory warranty would it? I mean since we're thinking they're just gonna cut you a check anyway, which I thought it was squaretrade also did.
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I would bet that some will be given an option for refund checks and perhaps once Panasonic's "Studio Master LED" is officially out on the market (for people who experience warranty necessitating issues several months down to the road), they may offer those as an alternative or a "pay for" upgrade. Sony is famous for doing this type of bargaining and "offering in lieu of" when they can't fix what you had.

What would the squaretrade warranty do? Certainly if there's no more new ones available that won't benefit you over and above the Panasonic factory warranty would it? I mean since we're thinking they're just gonna cut you a check anyway, which I thought it was squaretrade also did.

I'm talking about what happens in month 13 of ownership, when your Panny warranty is expired and no panel parts are available anymore. Then SquareTrade will cut you a check. Even if they prorate you, $1500 or $2000 certainly worth the $99 investment in the warranty plan.

Granted, if you ever had a quote from a service provider to replace the panel in your plasma, you would just go out and buy yourself a new display smile.gif
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You only have 60 days to snap up a SquareTrade. Mack will give you 9 months to decide...both, I fear, will ultimately issue refunds for a reduced amount in comparison to the price paid (if the policies are to be relied upon).
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So what happens then if we have that problem?

http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-VIERA-TC-P60ZT60-60-Inch-Plasma/dp/B00BC4SL18/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1390939965&sr=8-1&keywords=ZT60

Three left at $3000 glad I bought mine at $2299

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You only have 60 days to snap up a SquareTrade. Mack will give you 9 months to decide...both, I fear, will ultimately issue refunds for a reduced amount in comparison to the price paid (if the policies are to be relied upon).

One of the reasons I may decide to keep the geek squad warranty is the way they explained it to me. Apparently, If something were to go wrong and the set was not able to be repaired or replaced, you would get a set based on comparable quality not necessarily the price you paid. Oled or high end or 4K led were given as examples. Obviously with oled, the prices would have to come down a tad for this to be feasible.
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One of the reasons I may decide to keep the geek squad warranty is the way they explained it to me. Apparently, If something were to go wrong and the set was not able to be repaired or replaced, you would get a set based on comparable quality not necessarily the price you paid. Oled or high end or 4K led were given as examples. Obviously with oled, the prices would have to come down a tad for this to be feasible.

But so expensive. About 20% of the cost of mine. I've purchased three other Panasonic plasma TVs and one Panasonic LCD TV in the past. The only one that has needed service was my V10 when the THX setting was upgraded under warranty. I'll take my chances and buy a Square Trade Warranty. Per consumer reports, of the 162,000 TVs they surveyed only 4% needed repairs during the first four years.
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But so expensive. About 20% of the cost of mine. I've purchased three other Panasonic plasma TVs and one Panasonic LCD TV in the past. The only one that has needed service was my V10 when the THX setting was upgraded under warranty. I'll take my chances and buy a Square Trade Warranty. Per consumer reports, of the 162,000 TVs they surveyed only 4% needed repairs during the first four years.

Oh, I'm right there with you. It does cost a quite a bit. Mine was $449 for 5 years. I'm still considering going to costco and getting the squaretrade warranty. I do like how comprehensive the geek squad warranty is. Burn in coverage specifically, but I doubt I would ever have that issue.
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One of the reasons I may decide to keep the geek squad warranty is the way they explained it to me. Apparently, If something were to go wrong and the set was not able to be repaired or replaced, you would get a set based on comparable quality not necessarily the price you paid. Oled or high end or 4K led were given as examples. Obviously with oled, the prices would have to come down a tad for this to be feasible.

This is true, though they will not replace your TV with one that is priced higher than what you paid. 3 years from now, that may mean you get an OLED, but it doesn't guarantee it.
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This is true, though they will not replace your TV with one that is priced higher than what you paid. 3 years from now, that may mean you get an OLED, but it doesn't guarantee it.

Thanks for clarifying that Speakerphile! In the store they pitched it as being more about comparable quality than what you actually paid for it. I asked them a couple of times to confirm because I was surprised they would actually go that route instead of what you actually paid.
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How about this for customer service from BB/Magnolia (San Francisco Area)? I put a deposit on a TC-P65ZT60 while on sale in December (didn't need it yet). They called me two weeks ago and mentioned that they were being discontinued (which I knew about) and suggested I pay in full. I came in and did so 1-1/2 weeks ago. Yesterday they set up a delivery appointment for this weekend and today they emailed me back to say that they sold my set to someone else and had no more available anywhere in my region. But if I want, I can get an 8500 series Samsung for only $100 MORE than what I already paid for the 65" ZT60. Wow, what a great deal. The untrusting person in me thinks that they found someone willing to pay more money now due to the shortage, but perhaps it was a mistake.

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