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cracks in the screen?..lol

if there is no cracks in the screen and no burn in and you get can the 65" for south of $2K...I would go for it

small scratches on the stand would not bother me
neither would the time it has been on
I assume they are an authorized dealer?...and have a return policy?
if so..the factory warranty starts from the day you buy it...and I am certain warranty extensions are available

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If a Sammy is what you want, then buy from an authorized reseller. If they don't have anymore TVs, then you'll have to make decision on buying from Pinnacle after you do your homework. Pinnacle's warranty is only as good as the company that puts their name of the warranty. If a new set, consider getting a Square Trade warranty from Costco.
The sets are open box returns. They do have a 2 year warranty, but I have read a lot of bad reviews about their repair service
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The sets are open box returns. They do have a 2 year warranty, but I have read a lot of bad reviews about their repair service
both Samsung and Panasonic have 1 year factory warranties



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both Samsung and Panasonic have 1 year factory warranties



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Even open box from unauthorized dealers?
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Even open box from unauthorized dealers?
why would anyone buy an open box from an unauthorized dealer...unless they were practically giving it away?



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He drove from Columbus this morning to get it. He is beyond happy! I am very jealous. Thanks again!
Did your friend have any issues with IR on the floor model he purchased? I went and and checked out a floor model this afternoon at a retailer not far from me. The set had about 3250 hours on it, and there was a lot of IR down the left side, and along the bottom, of the display.

If I knew I could get rid of it, I might have purchased it. The price was decent and the picture looked good in the brief time I looked at, but running slides and the screen wiper revealed a lot of IR, and I'm sure it would be noticeable when you got it home and started watching it.
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Did your friend have any issues with IR on the floor model he purchased? I went and and checked out a floor model this afternoon at a retailer not far from me. The set had about 3250 hours on it, and there was a lot of IR down the left side, and along the bottom, of the display.

If I knew I could get rid of it, I might have purchased it. The price was decent and the picture looked good in the brief time I looked at, but running slides and the screen wiper revealed a lot of IR, and I'm sure it would be noticeable when you got it home and started watching it.
I should have posted here earlier. My friend did misread the hours on his set and did not spot burn in at the store. He thought it said 800 hrs, but really it had 3800 hrs! The tv had bad burn in when viewed at home, Needless to say my friend was upset. ABC warehouse apparently is not great with returns, but he was able to exchange the set for a new Samsung 8500. Be careful buying a floor model!

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I should have posted here earlier. My friend did misread the hours on his set and did not spot burn in at the store. He thought it said 800 hrs, but really it had 3800 hrs! The tv had bad burn in when viewed at home, Needless to say my friend was upset. ABC warehouse apparently is not great with returns, but he was able to exchange the set for a new Samsung 8500. Be careful buying a floor model!
did they exchange him even on the F8500?

if so he got a real deal

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why would anyone buy an open box from an unauthorized dealer...unless they were practically giving it away?



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I'm looking for a Panasonic, and these are selling for around $1,500. The TV's are all turned on and they allow you to bring in whatever you would like to test them out

so is the $800 worth the risk instead of buying an Samsung F8500?
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I'm looking for a Panasonic, and these are selling for around $1,500. The TV's are all turned on and they allow you to bring in whatever you would like to test them out

so is the $800 worth the risk instead of buying an Samsung F8500?
I would not spend $800 more to buy a Samsung F8500 over a ZT60..of the same size


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I should have posted here earlier. My friend did misread the hours on his set and did not spot burn in at the store. He thought it said 800 hrs, but really it had 3800 hrs! The tv had bad burn in when viewed at home, Needless to say my friend was upset. ABC warehouse apparently is not great with returns, but he was able to exchange the set for a new Samsung 8500. Be careful buying a floor model!
That's too bad. I was hoping to see a clear, pristine display when I checked it out yesterday. The picture actually looked very nice, but they had it on ESPN, or something similar, and the display was set to Vivid. I would probably wager it had been like that for most, or all, of the 3200 hours. If the likelihood is high that the IR is not permanent, and will eventually go away, I might be willing to assume some risk for the right price.

I very recently bought a 55" VT60 display unit from a friend of mine that owns a small electronics store in my hometown. Other than knowing that Panasonic had discontinued plasma production, I really did no research beforehand, and unfortunately just assumed IR & Burn In was no longer an issue or concern when it came to plasma displays. My friend estimated that the set had between 100-300 hours on it, but when I got it home, did some research, etc. etc. I found it actually had about 1000 hours on it, and a bit of IR that I'm trying to eliminate. In comparison to what I saw on the 65" ZT60 yesterday, you could almost say that my 55" VT60 has virtually no IR.
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I would not spend $800 more to buy a Samsung F8500 over a ZT60..of the same size


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If you take into lack of factory warranty, I think the $800 would be worth it, no?
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If you take into lack of factory warranty, I think the $800 would be worth it, no?
yes...if there are no issues with the Zt60

for $800 savings I could fore go the factory warranty


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If you take into lack of factory warranty, I think the $800 would be worth it, no?
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yes...if there are no issues with the Zt60

for $800 savings I could fore go the factory warranty


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To clarify, it's a VT60 (I know the ZT60 is a higher end model, but I don't know the difference)
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To clarify, it's a VT60 (I know the ZT60 is a higher end model, but I don't know the difference)
better glare filter on the ZT is the biggest difference

in my mind the VT is "worth" about $300 less than the ZT due to this one thing

if you are going to be in a dark/light controlled environment...that difference would be worth nothing to you


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Best Buy's website has some ZT60's listed from Walt's TV. A 65" is only 8 grand, or you can steal a 60" for the bargain basement price of 6K. Shipping also appears to be free.



LOL, looked at plasma's today on BB website, walt now wants $9,999 for a ZT.


Who in their right mind? [ would spend 10k on a plasma they don't even make parts for anymore?]


Don't get me wrong, I Love my panny plasma, but 10k, seriously?

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That's too bad. I was hoping to see a clear, pristine display when I checked it out yesterday. The picture actually looked very nice, but they had it on ESPN, or something similar, and the display was set to Vivid. I would probably wager it had been like that for most, or all, of the 3200 hours. If the likelihood is high that the IR is not permanent, and will eventually go away, I might be willing to assume some risk for the right price.

I very recently bought a 55" VT60 display unit from a friend of mine that owns a small electronics store in my hometown. Other than knowing that Panasonic had discontinued plasma production, I really did no research beforehand, and unfortunately just assumed IR & Burn In was no longer an issue or concern when it came to plasma displays. My friend estimated that the set had between 100-300 hours on it, but when I got it home, did some research, etc. etc. I found it actually had about 1000 hours on it, and a bit of IR that I'm trying to eliminate. In comparison to what I saw on the 65" ZT60 yesterday, you could almost say that my 55" VT60 has virtually no IR.
HH Gregg I presume ? I bought a VT60 with that same IR pattern and similar hours back in February. No the IR will most likely never go away, I still see it on ocassion. However I love my set and that minor annoyance does not detract from the absolutely jaw dropping picture 99% of the time. Its obviosly a personal choice but for me it was a great purchase.

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HH Gregg I presume ? I bought a VT60 with that same IR pattern and similar hours back in February. No the IR will most likely never go away, I still see it on ocassion. However I love my set and that minor annoyance does not detract from the absolutely jaw dropping picture 99% of the time. Its obviosly a personal choice but for me it was a great purchase.
Has the IR gotten better? Unlike the IR on my VT60, which is somewhat distinct in that I can make out an NBC in the lower right corner, the IR on the ZT60 I looked at yesterday seemed more or less like areas of darkness on the screen when light images were present. I couldn't really make out anything distinct, like an ESPN logo or anything like that. On the other hand, I did not spend a great deal of time attempting to distinguish details. I was just interested in determining whether or not IR was present and to what degree.
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Seeking your advice on my situation..
I bought the TC-P65ZT60 this past weekend from a seller who lives about 200miles away.
Seller didnt include the stand with the sale so I had to rest it gently on the bottom edge longitudinally along the length of my Honda Odyssey (see picture) after covering it with a thin blanket and then gently resting its backside against the rear seat.
I drove carefully minimizing bumps and jerks enough and reached home and now drove the van into my garage and let it sit there. I also bought a stand separately from another seller and it is expected to arrive in about 10days.
In the meantime, I wanted to check with you if letting it remain in the van in that position as shown in picture for couple of weeks or couple of months is ok or if there is another safer way to store it in absence of a stand. I need the time to check if my wall mount can withstand the heavier wiight of the 65ZT60 vs what I currently have which is the 55ST60 and also gather some help to setup the TV on a wall mount.
The reason I concerned is this plasma TV seems to have a unique bezel that seems to also be part of the front glass so not sure if the base edge can withstand the weight distribution of its own weight and the stresses and warpage that might cause if kept in that position for long.
Is the bottom edge designed to withstand the weight of the plasma?
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Seeking your advice on my situation..
I bought the TC-P65ZT60 this past weekend from a seller who lives about 200miles away.
Seller didnt include the stand with the sale so I had to rest it gently on the bottom edge longitudinally along the length of my Honda Odyssey (see picture) after covering it with a thin blanket and then gently resting its backside against the rear seat.
I drove carefully minimizing bumps and jerks enough and reached home and now drove the van into my garage and let it sit there. I also bought a stand separately from another seller and it is expected to arrive in about 10days.
In the meantime, I wanted to check with you if letting it remain in the van in that position as shown in picture for couple of weeks or couple of months is ok or if there is another safer way to store it in absence of a stand.
The reason I ask is this plasma TV seems to have a unique bezel that seems to also be part of the front glass so not sure if the base edge can withstand the weight distribution of its own weight and the stresses and warpage that might cause if kept in that position for long.
Is the bottom edge designed to withstand the weight of the plasma?
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no issues with storing it like that

I have an ST60 that I bought for 75% off that is sitting in a closet in my home covered in a blanket in the same manner as your picture


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Seeking your advice on my situation..
I bought the TC-P65ZT60 this past weekend from a seller who lives about 200miles away.
Seller didnt include the stand with the sale so I had to rest it gently on the bottom edge longitudinally along the length of my Honda Odyssey (see picture) after covering it with a thin blanket and then gently resting its backside against the rear seat.
I drove carefully minimizing bumps and jerks enough and reached home and now drove the van into my garage and let it sit there. I also bought a stand separately from another seller and it is expected to arrive in about 10days.
In the meantime, I wanted to check with you if letting it remain in the van in that position as shown in picture for couple of weeks or couple of months is ok or if there is another safer way to store it in absence of a stand. I need the time to check if my wall mount can withstand the heavier wiight of the 65ZT60 vs what I currently have which is the 55ST60 and also gather some help to setup the TV on a wall mount.
The reason I concerned is this plasma TV seems to have a unique bezel that seems to also be part of the front glass so not sure if the base edge can withstand the weight distribution of its own weight and the stresses and warpage that might cause if kept in that position for long.
Is the bottom edge designed to withstand the weight of the plasma?
thank you.
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I've had professional movers pack and move several plasma TVs over the rears. They typically pack in an upright package with the stand removed and the TV surrounded by medium dense foam. In the last move, TV was put in a heavy cardboard box (built on site) with foam shrink wrapped in place around the TV. The box was held together by straps. Never had a problem with any of my TV from a move.

I would remove it from your van. One rear-end collision and it could be toast. Not worth the chance. Bring it in and store it between two chairs.
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I've had professional movers pack and move several plasma TVs over the rears. They typically pack in an upright package with the stand removed and the TV surrounded by medium dense foam. In the last move, TV was put in a heavy cardboard box (built on site) with foam shrink wrapped in place around the TV. The box was held together by straps. Never had a problem with any of my TV from a move.

I would remove it from your van. One rear-end collision and it could be toast. Not worth the chance. Bring it in and store it between two chairs.
I am not planning to move my van out of the garage until the TV is removed. my Garage offers a nice cool 40-60f temperatures during summer. I have 2 other cars so dont need Van for daily commute. I just wanted to check if that position. of resting it on the bottom edge (ref: image in my previous post) is ok for storing for an extended duration (2 months or more)
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no issues with storing it like that

I have an ST60 that I bought for 75% off that is sitting in a closet in my home covered in a blanket in the same manner as your picture


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I love my ST60, but if I spotted a ZT at 75% off, I'd be jumping on it faster than a duck on a junebug!
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I've had professional movers pack and move several plasma TVs over the rears. They typically pack in an upright package with the stand removed and the TV surrounded by medium dense foam. In the last move, TV was put in a heavy cardboard box (built on site) with foam shrink wrapped in place around the TV. The box was held together by straps. Never had a problem with any of my TV from a move.

I would remove it from your van. One rear-end collision and it could be toast. Not worth the chance. Bring it in and store it between two chairs.
I have moved professional a couple of times...corporate relocation
They built wood crates for anything over 40"...AND they still broke a Samsung 50 C7000
No physical damage but the electronics must have took a good bump because when I turned it on there was a line down the middle of the screen
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I am not planning to move my van out of the garage until the TV is removed. my Garage offers a nice cool 40-60f temperatures during summer. I have 2 other cars so dont need Van for daily commute. I just wanted to check if that position. of resting it on the bottom edge (ref: image in my previous post) is ok for storing for an extended duration (2 months or more)
you will be fine...I have stored a few in that manner
They were all good


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I love my ST60, but if I spotted a ZT at 75% off, I'd be jumping on it faster than a duck on a junebug!
what would 75% off a 60" ZT be...like $899?

I wasn't even planning on buying the 60" ST60 I have

but when I saw it marked at $424 I had to grab it....as it sits with a blanket over it now..lol

I would say its the 2nd best Tv I own..behind the F8500 and better than the E8000 and ST50
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The one year old 65ZT60 TV I purchased has some burn-in artifacts (a Fox news logo and a 1cm smudge streak running horizontally across the 1/5th horizontal) when I was doing that screen swipe.. These are not prominent but light. Does anyone know if these artifacts go away over time or are they permanent? I don't watch Fox news.. and not a fan of that channel and would like it gone.
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Are these new tv's, or do they have some hours on them?

I looked at another floor model 65" ZT60 yesterday. It was right at 3000 hours, and had some IR along the left and bottom portion of the screen. In terms of IR, it seemed to be in a bit better shape than the two previous floor models I checked out. $1800 seemed to be as low as they were willing to go.
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what would 75% off a 60" ZT be...like $899?

I wasn't even planning on buying the 60" ST60 I have

but when I saw it marked at $424 I had to grab it....as it sits with a blanket over it now..lol

I would say its the 2nd best Tv I own..behind the F8500 and better than the E8000 and ST50
In that order

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Wow.. seriously you bought a ZT60 for $424? That's almost unbelievable!. I think its worth atleast $2500 and its price will only go up over time given that they are no longer manufactured. There has been precedence.. with Pioneer Kuro which commanded their weight in gold for many years until they have now become a bit dated and reaching end of life
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Wow.. seriously you bought a ZT60 for $424? That's almost unbelievable!. I think its worth atleast $2500 and its price will only go up over time given that they are no longer manufactured. There has been precedence.. with Pioneer Kuro which commanded their weight in gold for many years until they have now become a bit dated and reaching end of life
I bought a 60" ST60 for $424...as I stated

As for the price going up on the ZT..et al

I am not sure I buy into the fact that a few people ask the crazy prices for discontinued TV's
No one knows if anyone is actually paying the asking prices
You see a few goof balls asking crazy prices on Amazon/Ebay
I cant imagine people are biting

for instance...I have seen the Sharp Elite LED for $7500 for a used one

Best buy had open box units for $2500 last year...and they included the factory warranty

I dont think that anyone is actually oaying these prices on discontinued TV's

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I bought a 60" ST60 for $424...as I stated

As for the price going up on the ZT..et al

I am not sure I buy into the fact that a few people ask the crazy prices for discontinued TV's
No one knows if anyone is actually paying the asking prices
You see a few goof balls asking crazy prices on Amazon/Ebay
I cant imagine people are biting

for instance...I have seen the Sharp Elite LED for $7500 for a used one

Best buy had open box units for $2500 last year...and they included the factory warranty

I dont think that anyone is actually oaying these prices on discontinued TV's

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I can try to explain.
It is similar to how an IPO stock behaves on the first few trading days. Anyone remember Facebook? People were dumping it at $20.. just a few months ago.
Since these TVs were clearanced earlier this year at some out of th world prices (Eg: TC-P60ZT60 $2400 at bestbuy.com) the prices are wildly flutuating.. once the early dumpers leave there will only be people wanting these units and not too many sellers wanting to sell.. the result is a price jump. The currnt frothy prices are occuring because of the clearance action a few months ago. There is a risk to these prices and that is technological obsolescence. In absence of a siesmic shift in display technologies (i dont believe the current crop of 4K units are there yet) the prices on the ZTs will keep climbing.
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I can try to explain.
It is similar to how an IPO stock behaves on the first few trading days. Anyone remember Facebook? People were dumping it at $20.. just a few months ago.
Since these TVs were clearanced earlier this year at some out of th world prices (Eg: TC-P60ZT60 $2400 at bestbuy.com) the prices are wildly flutuating.. once the early dumpers leave there will only be people wanting these units and not too many sellers wanting to sell.. the result is a price jump. The currnt frothy prices are occuring because of the clearance action a few months ago. There is a risk to these prices and that is technological obsolescence. In absence of a siesmic shift in display technologies (i dont believe the current crop of 4K units are there yet) the prices on the ZTs will keep climbing.
honestly

I dont think so

Your facebook example is not really the same as people were buying that specifically to make a profit
I am not sure sure buying a TV is really something is essentially a "for profit" transaction

while there are some that would pay a premium for a new in the box units vs the open box units that available for $1800-2000
I dont think it will be anywhere near the prices some are throwing out there

Use my example I stated earlier of the Sharp Elite 70"...there are used ones out there for $7000 with no warranty
a year ago you could buy an open box at Best Buy for $2500( or less) with a factory warranty

I think the person that will pay $7000 for that unit..or what I have seen a couple of ZT's listed for is a needle in a haystack buyer and does by no means represent the market value

Especially since there will always be someone that will sell it for a realistic price

People said the same thing about the Pioneer Kuro
There are goofballs with crazy asking prices...then there are those that are asking what they should be for a 5 year old TV

When the F8500 inventory is gone...the same thing will happen..mark my words

Tv's have gotten too commodity oriented with the "next best thing" coming almost every year
There is a very small percentage that would pay these crazy asking prices that some have thrown out there

I think the vast majority of people believe there will be something bigger and better on the horizon. Therefore those willing to pay some of these crazy asking prices will be a very small ( if any) selection of buyers

by the way...the 65" ZT was going for the $2400 you mentioned...not the 60
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