Originally Posted by rman66
I must admit I am a bit biased against Samsung.. they seem to be everywhere and want to do everything.. and in attempting to do everything not able to achieve perfection in anything
With Panasonic ZT.. its their last and final attempt at achieving perfection before they completely abandoned the "plasma" market all together. And yes, Panasonic does other things too but
we all know they have made more investments in PLasma than any other company out there.. and I trust their product more than that from Samsung the 8500 included
I have an issue with daylight, have bright windows and might have been better off with the 8500 but I just dont have that "placebo" effect of exclusivity with the 8500. The 8500 has never been
subject to heavy price fluctuations like the ZT.. and when the ZT is offered at such a killer discount, its hard to ignore that. While the 8500 production runs are still happening, the ZTs have stopped long ago
and in the worrld of economics, price is determined at the intersection of supply and demand. I am betting that the demand will outstrip supply causing prices to rise on the ZTs.
I have no more to say on this topic. Its been nice conversing. Thank you.
with all due respect
I think you have just admitted that you are drinking the coolade
While it was their last attempt at making plasma...many still preferred other panels
So...clearly perfection was not something they achieved since it was not all things to all people..including some that still preferred their 5-6 year old Kuro's
I think Samsung was trying to come up with a panel to try to capture the other 85% of the market that said plasmas were too dim, not sharp and could not be used in a room with any light
This coming from a person who owns both Panasonic and Samsung plasmas now and in the past
In terms of corporate plasma panel investment...neither of us knows that information
They have been heavier in a market... plasma... that represents less than 15% of the total panels sold
Added to that...they have been losing money for years on their Tv business while Samsung( and LG to name another) have made a profit
If I were a betting man...I would say that the companies that made a profit have been investing more in their TV business than those that were losing money on it
That is business 101
I dont understand why people on AVS seem to not take into account that these companies are "for -profit".
I was surprised that they remained in the plasma TV business another year...based on their financials lthe last couple of years
I agree with you on the wide price fluctuations of the VT/ZT. One could say they "cheapened" their image by selling them at that price. The 65" inch ZT for less than $2500 was a good buy.
Imagine if you were one those early adopters that paid $1200-1400 more a few months earlier
YIKES!!....talk about a bad investment
The F8500 except for a few short and limited situations....has held its price the whole time give or take a few hundred...even while Panasonic was blowing their product out the door
I was one of the lucky ones who got in the Conn's deal on the F8500
In no way would I have paid the $3100 for the 8500. I would kept my E8000 and did an audio upgrade
Audio and video are of 50/50 importance to me and frankly good audio costs a lot more than a good TV does
You could be right...maybe the market value of the ZT will rise. There are still a lot of open box/store displays around though
I think when the F8500 is discontinued some will try to ask crazy prices on it as well
I wish them all luck..lol
OLED prices should be at a point in the next couple of years....such as the $2K deal at Microcenter for the 55" LG...where that those make good financial sense
That technology seems to have where with all to outperform anything in the past....and I dont see many negatives