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I am building a new dedicated theater room and I have decided to go with a masked, curved 130" wide AT screen to go with a JVC RS20 (on order).

I have narrowed the choices to a Stewart CineCurve with ST130 microperfed or a SMX ProMaskcurv with Cineweave HD.

I have seen the Stewart locally and it is very nice. Unfortunately, I have not been able to see the SMX.

I have read great things about both screens, but haven't been able to compare myself. The Stewart is quite a bit more expensive, almost 50% more over the SMX.

For those that have been able to see/compare both, do you feel the Stewart is worth the extra cost over the SMX screen? Details on why would be appreciated.

Thank you for your opinions!
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Are you sure the projector is bright enough for that big of a screen with such low gain material?

I am myself thinking about buying a big screen (2.6 m wide scope screen, using zoom), but am worried about brightness. I would like to have a Studiotek, but perhaps a Da-Lite HP is better? I don't want to change lamps every 300 hours to keep enough punch or be limited in choice of projectors to the very brightest ones...
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To answer your first question, I am not sure.

How I arrived here was by demoing a RS2 on a 120" wide Stewart Firehawk. It had more than enough brightness for me on normal lamp mode with some ambient light in the room. By calculations, this combination is at the bottom or even slightly out of the recommended light output level.

While doing this, JVC announced the RS20, which claims an increase in brightness of 200 lumens.

So I am thinking I be will befine with a 130" screen, but again, not sure.
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I saw some comments posted by Art on the Stewart vs SMX and he found that the SMX slightly softened the picture so he stuck with Stewart.

Best thing to do is to get 2 samples (1 from SMX and 1 from Stewart) and make up your own mind at home.
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Hi P5D2,

You may want to contact Gary (AVS username "bebop86") or Jeff Meier (AVS username "umr"). Gary recently upgraded from a Stewart system to a 14' wide ProMask-Curv and had his ProMask calibrated by Jeff Meier which is a well known highly respected ISF and THX certified system calibrator. Here is what they had to say in another thread about the upgrade...

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Just wanted to chime in here- I just set up my 14' wide curved masking system- I have had the screen research, stewart, and da-lite Hipower before this screen- In every way this blows them all out of the water-

First using the black velvet on the screen soaks up more light than any other screen- the masking system is very quiet and works perfectly-

I just had my system( Sim HT-5000) ISF calibrated by jeff Mierer(UMR on avs)- He loved the screen- Said it was much better than the stewart and we noticed that even at 6-8' you could not notice the weave in the screen-
Jeff is also THX certified and we did my full audio setup( active ATC all around, with JL gotham and Danley DTS-20 subs)- We could not tell the difference in measurements between before with the speakers in front of the screeen and now with the speakers behind the screen-

I highly rec. this screen and Ruben is great to work with - I would be happy to answer any questions- gary

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I have to say that screen is excellent for both audio and video.

Both recent posts above were from THIS THREAD

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IMO, the SMX is the smart choice!!! I recently bought a SMX Pro Curve 130" wide AT screen from Reuben --- ABSOLUTELY LOVE IT!!! Both video and audio --- my eyes & ears rate it "TWO THUMBS WAY UP" !!!!

Reuben was fantastic to work with, and I appreciated his attention to detail, his timely responsiveness, and his willingness to "educate" this HT "newbie."

My only mistake, regret is that I did NOT listen to Reuben's advice regarding my PJ choice for the screen --- I wish I had. Reuben (and others in AVSF) tried to "warn me" that the RS2 would be too dim for a screen my size. But I was blown away by all the glowing reviews/comments on the JVC RS2, and I bought one after "demo-ing" on a dealers 96' screen (where it looked great). I drank the JVC "kool-aid."

What happened ??? --- my professionally calibrated RS2 did NOT have the lumens/brightness for my 130" screen (even on bright mode) !!! I swapped it out for a much brighter InFocus IN83 (rated 1600 lumens) and --- I LOVE IT !!!! Same screen, different brighter PJ. Even my non-technical wife & kids immediately noticed the improvement in the picture quality.

I'm afraid that while the JVC RS20 is being touted as next next best thing since sliced bread (in the under $10K price range), my personal experience tells me that even at 800 lumens, the RS20 won't be able to do ANY LARGER SCREEN due justice.
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I saw the RS20 in Denver and it was a very nice projector but it's not going to be leaps brighter than the RS1 and RS2. They had it on a 110" screen with a 1.3 gain and the measured screen brightness was 17ftl. Definitely doesn't match the rated output!!

Side note, I don't understand why people get what they believe is the "best", "most accurate" projector then project it on a 1.5 - 2.0 gain screen because it's not bright enough. Doesn't this defeat the purpose?

I'm looking at the IN83 due to this. The setup for this projector sucks though, offset, lens shift. I guess if you can get it to work for your space, get it.

Here's my funny (funny because I can only laugh to keep from crying) story. I want a decent size screen, like yourself 120-130". Isn't this why we want projectors? Well, I looked at the RS1 and RS2's, like yourself. I just couldn't sell myself on the light output being enough, under 16ftl. So, I heard the rumors on the "new" JVC's. Brighter, sharper, new design, sweet!! Went to Denver just for the JVC's. Came home assuming I made my decision on the RS20 but I was impressed with the Marantz projector and demo. They had Transformers playing and it was like a large plasma, sharp, clear, very nice picture just too dim. Then I put pen to paper and analyzed the RS20 for my situation. JVC had the demo in a small, ultra dark booth in the back of a dimly lit room, best case sinario. The numbers didn't match up, I was back in the RS1 and RS2 realm with lamberts, damnit. Now with the IN83 I can have a 150" screen with above 16ftl screen brightness (on a 1.0 gain screen) but I can't get it to fit. The projector has no vertical lens shift and has an offset of 36%. So....I can get a RS20 with a MAX screen size of 120" and change bulbs to keep the brightness at acceptable levels or get the IN83 that can do a 150" screen but I can only manage a 126" (pushing it) for my room dimensions. It's never easy is it?
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Artie, how is the projector working for you? RBE, internal upscaling, fan noise etc. The reviews look good for it, except one that only focused on grayscale, yea that's what I use to decide on a projector, lol. It's like everyone in the know in this "hobby" shoots on a 96" screen. Intriguing.
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Brian,

I luv the IN83 on my SMX 103" ProCurve screen !!!!

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I saw the RS20 in Denver and it was a very nice projector but it's not going to be leaps brighter than the RS1 and RS2. They had it on a 110" screen with a 1.3 gain and the measured screen brightness was 17ftl. Definitely doesn't match the rated output!!

Side note, I don't understand why people get what they believe is the "best", "most accurate" projector then project it on a 1.5 - 2.0 gain screen because it's not bright enough. Doesn't this defeat the purpose?

I'm looking at the IN83 due to this. The setup for this projector sucks though, offset, lens shift. I guess if you can get it to work for your space, get it.

Here's my funny (funny because I can only laugh to keep from crying) story. I want a decent size screen, like yourself 120-130". Isn't this why we want projectors? Well, I looked at the RS1 and RS2's, like yourself. I just couldn't sell myself on the light output being enough, under 16ftl. So, I heard the rumors on the "new" JVC's. Brighter, sharper, new design, sweet!! Went to Denver just for the JVC's. Came home assuming I made my decision on the RS20 but I was impressed with the Marantz projector and demo. They had Transformers playing and it was like a large plasma, sharp, clear, very nice picture just too dim. Then I put pen to paper and analyzed the RS20 for my situation. JVC had the demo in a small, ultra dark booth in the back of a dimly lit room, best case sinario. The numbers didn't match up, I was back in the RS1 and RS2 realm with lamberts, damnit. Now with the IN83 I can have a 150" screen with above 16ftl screen brightness (on a 1.0 gain screen) but I can't get it to fit. The projector has no vertical lens shift and has an offset of 36%. So....I can get a RS20 with a MAX screen size of 120" and change bulbs to keep the brightness at acceptable levels or get the IN83 that can do a 150" screen but I can only manage a 126" (pushing it) for my room dimensions. It's never easy is it?

If it helps any... You can tilt the PJ up a little, then tilt the screen out from the wall at the top a little, if you are close on the shift. But if you are not close, that one just won't work. I knwo why IF does it, but I think they are really shooting themselves in the foot by not having adjustable shift, or at least an option to have less.
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