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post #61 of 90 Old 01-23-2009, 07:49 PM - Thread Starter
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I have a HP screen with a bright projector and see no need for a ND filter. It seems the only people that see the need for a ND filter are people that have never seen a HP screen in actual use and have zero experience with HP screens.

Thanks for the input, but I know of a few respected AVS members who are using an ND filter with their HP screen....and they like it that way.

I personally don't use an ND filter in my setup but do respect the opinion of folks who find that an image CAN be too bright in some setups and with some eyes.

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This thread and one other source has got me on the HP band waggon ( there is still room, right? )
Researched it all morning.
The Model B pull down goes to 96" max. Minus three per Chad.
Model C per Da-lite "gives more support so it can go wider".... OooooKaaaay.... riiiiight !
So;
Model 79046 is 65x116 about $550 delivered
Model 79045 is 58x104 about $460 delivered
Model 79047 is 78x139 didnt check prices.
All HDTV format which is 16:9
A big step up in price from a B model for a few inches but it is what it is.
Model 83223 is 72x96 @ $225 + delivery. ( a Model B )

The talk of sag has got me thinking or gluing it to a back board or is there a
DIY frame kit that is available ? Looking at eBay kits, keeping the frame, and tossing the material or putting it back on eBay.
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The talk of sag has got me thinking or gluing it to a back board or is there a DIY frame kit that is available ? Looking at eBay kits, keeping the frame, and tossing the material or putting it back on eBay.

You might want to consider the Da-Lite Perm-Wall fixed frame screen. You can get it in HP material for about $150 more than the Model C, and you won't have to worry about sag, how to attach, etc. The Perm-Wall frame does have to mount flush against a flat wall, which helps support it--if that's not a problem for you.
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Hi Chad,
Can you please post a picture of the waves in your screen?
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Hi Chad,
Can you please post a picture of the waves in your screen?

Sorry for the late reply. Anyway, I just looked over the Model B High Power screen and can't see any waves. It's daytime and I do have some light coming into the room, which makes it a little harder to detect. I'll give it another look in the evening, but at this point it looks like the waves have disappared?!

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Sorry for the late reply. Anyway, I just looked over the Model B High Power screen and can't see any waves. It's daytime and I do have some light coming into the room, which makes it a little harder to detect. I'll give it another look in the evening, but at this point it looks like the waves have disappared?!


Geez. what happened to them? Were they kidnapped and forced against their will to a car trip to Gary, IN.?
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Geez. what happened to them? Were they kidnapped and forced against their will to a car trip to Gary, IN.?

HA! Definitely odd and had me scratching my head. The only thing I could think of that would possibly cause the change is the fact that my house is built in a sandy area and my house has very slight mini-shifts throughout the seasons of the year. I thought perhaps a mini-shift had maybe caused the waves to disappear. Until I checked tonight when there wasn't ambient light coming in...

The waves are still there. I think this just goes to prove how waves aren't visible with High Power material when you are watching something. Today I think the ambient light in my room was having the same effect as when my projector shines on the screen....it makes the waves "seem" to disappear. No matter how hard I looked I *COULD NOT* see the waves today when ambient light was coming in. Anyway, here's the pic:


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Thanks Chad. What size screen is that?
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Thanks Chad. What size screen is that?

96x96 not fully extended.

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96x96 not fully extended.

Do you think support rods extending out from the wall holding up the ends of the pull down bar would eliminate the waves ?
I guess this is why Da-lite stops the B at 96" and goes to a C over that. They claim more support with a C.
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I just recieved my 139x78 Hi Power yesterday. The image is great and this thing is huge. I am going to make a scope screen out of it. I hung it in the living room for now until I get my room finished. I am happily surprised that I get some gain anywhere we sit in this room. I have it hanging by hooks and chains and really have a hard time getting it to retract. Is this typical?
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Do you think support rods extending out from the wall holding up the ends of the pull down bar would eliminate the waves ?
I guess this is why Da-lite stops the B at 96" and goes to a C over that. They claim more support with a C.

Hmmmm....don't know about that. Mine might have the waves because it might be slightly un-level. If I had a longer level, I would check it out

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I just recieved my 139x78 Hi Power yesterday. The image is great and this thing is huge. I am going to make a scope screen out of it. I hung it in the living room for now until I get my room finished. I am happily surprised that I get some gain anywhere we sit in this room. I have it hanging by hooks and chains and really have a hard time getting it to retract. Is this typical?

Rolling up my Model B is an absolute nightmare. I only did it once and have just left it unrolled ever since. And mine is fixed position mounted. I would imagine hooks and chains would make it even more difficult. What model is yours?

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Mine is a model c. We watched Transformers in Hi Def on it last night. This screen has the best image I have ever seen from my projector. I was worried about contrast but the amazing part is I placed a sheet of white paper at the bottom of the screen and on dark scenes the paper disappeared but on light scenes it stuck out big time.
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I've never seen a screen make HD look "more HD" than the High Power screen!
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Hmmmm....don't know about that. Mine might have the waves because it might be slightly un-level. If I had a longer level, I would check it out

Looking at the Dalite sight for High Power installation instructions for their fixed frame models it seems they call for tensioning the material; pulling down the lower frame rail in the center.
Perhaps weights on the pull down bar or hanger screws in the wall with small lengths of black twine to the pull material tight ?
I think its the nature of this backing to curl.

PS; Its going to cost $200 retail to go with a Perm wall setup in 133" 16:9 over a model C.
From all the mentions of the waving effect I think it may be worth it.
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Looking at the Dalite sight for High Power installation instructions for their fixed frame models it seems they call for tensioning the material; pulling down the lower frame rail in the center.
Perhaps weights on the pull down bar or hanger screws in the wall with small lengths of black twine to the pull material tight ?
I think its the nature of this backing to curl.

PS; Its going to cost $200 retail to go with a Perm wall setup in 133" 16:9 over a model C.
From all the mentions of the waving effect I think it may be worth it.

If you don't have any need to roll up a screen in your setup and can afford to go with a fixed frame, then that's certainly what I'd go with. If I could go back, I wouldn't have messed with all of the different screen material and I would have bought a Cinema Contour High Power 110" 16:9 from the beginning.

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does placing the projector off center effect the way this screen works... my projector is bookshelf mounted slightly above eyelevel but it is off center and the lens shift is used to center the image...
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Where are the best places to shop for HP screens?
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does placing the projector off center effect the way this screen works... my projector is bookshelf mounted slightly above eyelevel but it is off center and the lens shift is used to center the image...

Yes, it most certainly does. The HP reflects light back towards the source. If your pj is off to the side, then the HP will be brightest for viewers off to that same side. For best results you need to horizontally center the pj on the screen.
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Are the Da Lite Electrol board room HP screen the same, or close to it ?
I see some insane differences in price for these [Like $150-$1500+]
but they do come in larger size 140 x 78...

What does this look like in Not Ideal set ups ?
Is it still better than laminate, black cloth, elite, ?

I am awaiting my First PJ (Benq w5000), and considering my options for a Fairly good, inexpensive screen.

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Here's something else you all can do....get a stock item of WisonArt 5*10 heavy grade laminate sheet of matte white 1.0 gain (it's $45 at Lowes whereas special order Designer White at 1.1 is $120) and have it professionally sprayed with Valspar Ultra White paint in either Flat 'eggshell' or Satin or just do it yourselves(if you are a good painter) ! Ultra White will be even to as close as anybody can get to Da-Lite's Brilliant White which is 1.3 gain. Yes, Behr has their own "ultra-pure-white" and so does Porter Paints and Sherwin Williams BUTTTT they are so damn close, can't tell!
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If I knew of a way to post my Home theatre room's pics off my computer to show you then I happily would BUT have no idea of how to do that with URL? It's funny (saracastic) to me that I can post to Facebook off my computer but not here. Can somebody help me so I can help other Home Theatre lovers?
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If I knew of a way to post my Home theatre room's pics off my computer to show you then I happily would BUT have no idea of how to do that

Click on go advanced....
then scroll down till you see 'add attachments/manage attachments'
click it, look for pic on Pc, click add...
If it isn't to large, it will attach, and be included as a thumbnail pic

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I have enjoyed this thread a lot. I don't use a screen at all. My question to all of you is do I really need one? I use my living room wall. It's off-white and two stories tall. I run an Epson 1080UB and have the projector sitting on a custom shelf I built behind the couch. The lens is about 5 feet off the floor and shoots 14.5 feet to the wall. I can make the room very dark during the day except at sundown when a West coming light filters through from the hallway. If I put the Epson into Dynamic, it overcomes even that. I can afford a screen. I just don't want to get my wife too crazy by putting up a fixed frame 106" screen. She isn't absoutely against the idea, only that she suggests "do we really need one?" I don't know. If it really made a difference for viewing then we probably would do it. This is our first projector and we have never used a screen full time other than swapping one in for comparative tests.

Now, my PS3 playing good BD like Casino Royale looks fantastic. Regular hd looks pretty good in 1080i. SD is typically bland. I run a 30 Foot high quality HDMI through the basement and up to the Epson. The sound is into a decent 5.1 home theater setup. Everyone who sees this setup, especially sports, just thinks it's great. I borrowed a 7X7 foot Da-lite portable white screen and put it just in front of the wall. It doesn't look a lot dirfferent from the wall to my eyes or those of my wife and daughter.

So, I am asking the talented gathering here: am I going to see much of a difference with the screen? Looks pretty good to me. Maybe I just have a lucky paint choice in my room. If I were to just buy a screen, I would at this point do what Chad suggests what he would have done in the beginning (get the HP Cinema Contour). But should I?

All thoughts are appreciated. I intend to upgrade the 1080UB to probably whatever replaces the newer 6500UB.

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Glad to hear the thread was helpful.

There are no rules that say you have to go with a screen, but here are a few thoughts on why people opt to do so...

--The black edging of a screen gives the image an extra pop and theater realism. Folks have spent thousands of dollars on automated masking systems just to get a consistent black border around all image aspect ratios.

--A quality screen gives a room a genuine theater-like appearance....especially fixed frame (or boxed in) screens.

--Some walls are not completely smooth and therefore can affect image quality. If a person doesn't want to mess with smoothing and repainting a wall, a screen may be an easier choice.

--I'm not big into DIY, but I'd be surprised if there is wall paint available that could do the same thing as a screen like a HP.

That's just some random thoughts and not all inclusive. Hope that is helpful.

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I just ordered a Model C 100" 16:9 screen today. And after seeing you had waves on your screen Chad T ~6 months after you got your Model B I think I'm glad I went that route. I have a dual setup with a TV/projector or else I would have gone with a fixed screen.
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Hey, yousuredo...thanks alot man! Will try that tonight or tomorrow night so hopefully you all can see the differences in my setups. No, not a professional by any means but I was expecting a good difference but then completely blown away that the Elite and Accuscreens were a tad darker...was hoping the screens would show same bright colors but even brighter and darks to be more detailed. Da-Lite and Carada BW were better but cost 3+ times as much. Not to take anything away from the screen manufactureres but guess my friends and I expected too much...

It's like what both the Epson and Elite screen rep's told me....my Epson720 is a good home theatre projector but no where equivalent to high class...which is where the expensive screens shine!! Sorry, but at the time, a high quality 1080p with 2500 lumens was $2300...way out of my price range as got mine for 900 with $100 back and free extra $350 lamp. May watch 5 movies a week along with 2 or 3 sporting events otherwise it's my 27 inch Sanyo. We play more PS2 and Wii than anything else and hooked up a PS3 to test the screens in case the game prices came down.

Yes, I like Blue Ray but was pissed (not really pissed but wanted to knock the guy for trying to pull BS on me) when Best Buy rep showed me a comparison test clip that was badly gimmicked for HD over SD. Several of my friends have Dish and/or Blue-Ray and it looks great so Hey, if you've got the $$$ for the power then more power to you, Congrats!! I'm just happy that my painted wall looks GREAT for us and can hang (half to maybe 3/4 of the time) with friend's 55 LCD inchers on 1080p that cost 2 to 3 times as much...consider the COST of a 106" LCD (second mortgage lol).
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