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Projector: BenQ W6000
Lens to Screen Distance: 16ft.
Seating is about 14-16ft

First time pj purchase - expecting delivery in a couple days. Originally was going with a 120" 16:9 screen, but now rethinking a 2.35:1 - and going a tad bit larger, say 130". Primarily only blu-rays will be projected as I do not plan to get a 2nd dish receiver and the xbox will probably remain on the other system. I have a decent HDTV viewing area - so this is where the dish receiver will stay for now.

Any thoughts or comments that might sway me either way?

Should I consider masking? Seems it would be easier to mask the vertical rather than the horizontal. I have been so used to a 16:9 screen and ignoring the black bars, but might like the true wide scope that 2.35:1 gives.

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I would create a large, tall and wide screen area - our current screen is 4:3 aspect ratio and our next one will be a full wall 4:3 format - Why? BD or DVD if you watch older films as well as 16:9 and then very wide content then you just can't adjust the images to best advantage with one of those short but wide screens.

If you're worried about scaling areas (black bars) then get a gray screen - makes them almost invisible.

Anyway, if I'm watching an old film like Casablanca produced (I think) in 3:2 I'm glad I have my floor to ceiling height screen area cause you just can't adjust image size properly on one of them skinny screens
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Interesting idea. At this point in my life I am lucky to find time to keep up with the current releases that come out. So, more than likely I will be viewing 2.35:1 content. I was just wondering if it would be best to start with a wide screen and mask vertical or go 16:9 and mask horizontal. Looking for some advice with either option.
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I would think that most people don't watch a bunch of 4:3 programming in a dedicated HT very often. (imjay excepted apparently) Maybe I'm way off? I say figure out what aspect ratio the programming is you're going to view most often, and go with that one. Masking is the icing on the cake, however many of us just deal with the black bars. Especially those of us with retractable screens. We watch more than 50% scope movies in our HT, so we went with a 2.35 screen.
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I say figure out what aspect ratio the programming is you're going to view most often, and go with that one.

Yup. This is why I started keeping track of our movies. Of our most recent 25 movies, 21 were widescreen- 84%. Of course, HDTV and sports are 16:9, so our total viewing is much less than 84% widescreen. A massive screen that can be masked to whatever aspect ratio and size is desired might be the "best" solution, but may not be practical for many. It is also boils down to what is the most critical use? For example, would one rather have a Bond movie take up the entire screen, but the Sopranos be smaller (and maybe have black bars depending on masking), or vice versa?
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You also need to consider whether you are height limited or wdth limited for either aspect screen, and whether you projector can easily change aspect ratios without a lot of manual fiddling.
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You also need to consider whether you are height limited or wdth limited for either aspect screen, and whether you projector can easily change aspect ratios without a lot of manual fiddling.

Here is a picture of my wall below with approx 2.35:1 & 16:9 screen graphic representation. The projector is a BenQ W6000. Seating will be about 14-16 feet from the screen.

It looks like the majority of my movie collection is 2.40:1 and then 2.35:1 - some are 1.85:1 and one is 1.78:1. So that makes it a bit more challenging for me to decide. I don't watch sports and rarely watch TV except for DVR programming (HBO & Showtime series) and I plan on keeping that on the other TV anyway system as I do not plan on watching HDTV on the pj yet (of course plans can change once I get the room set up).

There is something appealing to a more purist movie room and keep it only for cinema.

Will my projector even do a 130" 2.35:1 at 16', and more importantly - should I go that large?

I left a little space on the left and right to fit my tower speakers that are 7.75 inches wide and 43" tall.







Here is a crude visual mockup of what I had in mind:

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From the projection calculator at Projector Central, it inidcates you need 16' 3" lens to screen to get an image 120" wide from the W6000.

http://www.projectorcentral.com/BenQ...ulator-pro.htm

If you can swing this, then I will still ask a few questions:

Do you intend to get a good anamorphic lens? If not, then you intend to MANUALLY resetup the projector anytime you get a non-2.35:1 movie? Why not just get a 120" wide 16:9 screen? Especially if you aren't getting an anamorphic lens! A 2.35:1 screen, when just using 'zoom' to get that 2.35:1 look, doesn't give you more brightness, doesn't give you more resolution, and considering that THX would recommend about a 120" wide 16:9 screen for a 15' viewing distance, it just doesn't make sense to go 2.35:1.

Monoprice will have a masking frame in a couple of weeks which may be interesting...
http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2

Likewise, you can always go with the Carada masking solution if you want to mask to 2.35:1 and not deal with projector resetup every time.

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You need to toe the right speaker in a good bit. ;-)

I say go 16:9 and do DIY masking or a nice Carada motorized masking system. DIY has worked out great for me.

16:9 gives you so many options and a big picture for 2:35/wider. I do it on a 118" diagonal.

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Go as big as you can!

I'm ecstatic that I switched from 16:9 to 2.35:1. I won't switch back. But that's not only because it's what fit my wall best, it's also just my taste.

My viewable is 155" wide by 65" tall, and I'm at about 150" viewing distance (obviously I could care less what THX says about that). Works fantastic. I mask the vertical for 16:9, and don't even bother for 4:3 which I do watch occasionally (Kurosawa!). I feel that I watch more cinemascope than widescreen movies, but it's still "big enough" in 16:9.

But, it's not just a matter of what you can fit in the space; it's an individual thing. Get the one that you WANT - either way will work!

Also, don't feel restricted by choosing one format or the other. You can mask in both directions and get an in-between size if you like and if it works best for the room.
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Monoprice will have a masking frame in a couple of weeks which may be interesting...
http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2

Oh,I like this! When is it available? Oh I see, 4/12.
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You need to toe the right speaker in a good bit. ;-)

I say go 16:9 and do DIY masking or a nice Carada motorized masking system. DIY has worked out great for me.

16:9 gives you so many options and a big picture for 2:35/wider. I do it on a 118" diagonal.

Good one!

Excellent idea. After setting up my projector on a white wall to get a feel I think 16:9 might be the way to go.
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Go as big as you can!

I'm ecstatic that I switched from 16:9 to 2.35:1. I won't switch back. But that's not only because it's what fit my wall best, it's also just my taste.

My viewable is 155" wide by 65" tall, and I'm at about 150" viewing distance (obviously I could care less what THX says about that). Works fantastic. I mask the vertical for 16:9, and don't even bother for 4:3 which I do watch occasionally (Kurosawa!). I feel that I watch more cinemascope than widescreen movies, but it's still "big enough" in 16:9.

But, it's not just a matter of what you can fit in the space; it's an individual thing. Get the one that you WANT - either way will work!

Also, don't feel restricted by choosing one format or the other. You can mask in both directions and get an in-between size if you like and if it works best for the room.

150" is huge! :-)
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150" is huge! :-)

No, that's how far away I sit.

My screen is 168" diagonal for CS, and masks down to 133" diagonal for 16:9.
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Consider an AT screen and in wall speakers. The placement of your speakers is not good for sound. Size of screen and type 16:9 vs 2.35:1 should be determined by some basic factors.

1. Will it be bright enough when accounting for bulb aging to give good picture quality? A number of online calculators can help with figuring this.
2. Ambient light viewing? This appears to be a multi-purpose room but if you only watch at night in the dark than screen size and choice might be different.
3. Aspect ratio? What is most of your viewing i.e. Sports, TV, Movies? If you only watch an occasional movie than 16:9 would be better and if possible with vertical masking. If your a movie buff 2.35:1 is a better choice with horizontal masking. Also, will you be using an anamorphic lens or just zooming the PJ?
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Consider an AT screen and in wall speakers. The placement of your speakers is not good for sound. Size of screen and type 16:9 vs 2.35:1 should be determined by some basic factors.

1. Will it be bright enough when accounting for bulb aging to give good picture quality? A number of online calculators can help with figuring this.
2. Ambient light viewing? This appears to be a multi-purpose room but if you only watch at night in the dark than screen size and choice might be different.
3. Aspect ratio? What is most of your viewing i.e. Sports, TV, Movies? If you only watch an occasional movie than 16:9 would be better and if possible with vertical masking. If your a movie buff 2.35:1 is a better choice with horizontal masking. Also, will you be using an anamorphic lens or just zooming the PJ?

Agreed. It appears that you can fit a shallow "false" screen wall in front of the real wall and insert some good, equally matched, in-walls. Jamo and Triad come to mind. Not sure where you plan to place your SW. Also, seriously consider a 2.35 AR screen; you won't regret it. If you have good light control you may not need masking panels for 16:9 viewing. I always recommend that the person "dummy" up screens in each format using cheap materials (sheets, white polyester from Hancock Fabric, etc.) and try out each before anything is built or purchased.
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No, that's how far away I sit.

My screen is 168" diagonal for CS, and masks down to 133" diagonal for 16:9.

Yes. Misread that one. Still pretty big. Right now I am finding that I can only get the image to fit a 120" screen. I was hoping for bigger, but still trying to figure this projector out.
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I split the difference and got a 62x128 (2.06:1) Hipower.

I use the RS10's motorized zoom and lens shift to adjust 16:9 to full height and 2.35 to full width.

I originally intended to use a Lumagen Vision HDP to stretch/compress/crop both kinds to always fit the screen, but I find I actually like the variety in image shapes - 16:9 looks pleasingly taller and 2.35 pleasingly wider.

The Vision is for sale cheap if anyone's interested.

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I always like it when people post follow up progress images so here is mine.... :-)

I decided to go with the Dalite permwall 16:9 119" and it works great for the price. Thanks to Benito @ AVS!

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Nice! And since you have the curtains on the screen wall, should you decide to do a DIY masking system that uses tension bars like I do, you can hide the tension bars and the overlength masking panels with the curtains when they're drawn open. That assumes you wouldn't be going with a motorized system.

If you want to go with a DIY manual system, I can direct you to my thread in the DIY screen section. Just let me know.

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Nice! And since you have the curtains on the screen wall, should you decide to do a DIY masking system that uses tension bars like I do, you can hide the tension bars and the overlength masking panels with the curtains when they're drawn open. That assumes you wouldn't be going with a motorized system.

If you want to go with a DIY manual system, I can direct you to my thread in the DIY screen section. Just let me know.

yes, I have been thinking next about creating some kind of masking system. Manual is perfectly fine. Thanks!
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yes, I have been thinking next about creating some kind of masking system. Manual is perfectly fine. Thanks!

No problem. I'll bump up the thread "my latest masking trial" in the DIY screen section. The rebuild I did of mine in the latter part of the thread is the setup still being used here.

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