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I am torn between a 100" Black Diamond Zero Edge 1.4 and a DNP Supernova One (either 08-85 or 23-23) to pair with my Epson 8350 in my living room.

I have received samples of a BD 1.4, but I cannot find any samples of DNP's material. With $3k+ on the line, I simply do not feel like I can make this decision without seeing both samples.

Does anyone have a sample of the DNP Supernova material (either gain) that I could "borrow" for just a few days? I will send it back if needed. I just need more data to make this extremely difficult decision... =(

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I totally sympathize! The Black Diamond and Supernova were my two finalists as well. It sure would have been nice to have both sets of samples to compare in my environment. I'm lucky that DNP has a facility about 40 minutes South of me (in Irvine, CA) where I could go see a demo. I ultimately opted for the 08-85 DNP. It will be interesting to put up those Black Diamond samples once I get the Supernova up.
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I totally sympathize! The Black Diamond and Supernova were my two finalists as well. It sure would have been nice to have both sets of samples to compare in my environment. I'm lucky that DNP has a facility about 40 minutes South of me (in Irvine, CA) where I could go see a demo. I ultimately opted for the 08-85 DNP. It will be interesting to put up those Black Diamond samples once I get the Supernova up.

Any reason for the 08-85 over the 23-23?

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Blacks are a tad better on the 08-85, and since I've got a fairly high output projector (SIM2 C3X-E) lighting up a 100" inch diagonal screen, I figured I could go with the lower gain option
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The 23-23 material is for low output (lumens) projector. It also rejects light well so you can say 2.4, 2.37 or 2.35 format and still watch 1.78/16:9 material.

Do you have pitch black side bars while watching HD? No but it is dark dark gray in light controlled rooms and acceptable in non controlled rooms.

SI BD claims you don't need masking as well it's on par with DNP but I think the DNP gets the nod with a more uniformed picture. Masking screens are far better when switching formats but they cost more unless you rig some manual DIY project.

Keep in mind DNP will be more expensive

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I think that depends on which DNP material you choose as the 08-85 is more expensive than the 23-23. But I'm not entirely sure that the Black Diamond isn't more expensive anyway. AVS is a good place to buy and carries both brands. Check in with Mike Garrett to get more information. Here's his contact information

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Ditto that.

Mike Garrett was also able to arrange a demo at The Irvine DNP facility, for Fury

Thank you very much

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WB,

Comments were for the 23-23 high gain material only. I liked it better than Da-Lite HP, Vutec Silver Star and SI BD high gain.

The 08-85 is more a .85 to unity gain. Looks great with high output projectors especially the 3 chip light cannons!

I have not seen it but many claim the EPIC masking model is the best going with quality mechanics.

The main knock on DNP has been cost.

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I hear you; I think though that the Black Diamonds may actually cost more than the one or both of the Supernova materials. I'm thinking of fixed screens; other options may price out differently. But again, Mike would be the man to sort that out.
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Would the 23-23 material be ideal if I wanted to run my 8350 with lower lumens (eco mode + cinema)? I also plan on upgrading to an LED projector once my bulb dies on the Epson 8350. I would assume, even within a year, that the LED projectors will still be fairly low lumens, which is why I think the 23-23 material would be a good fit.

Are my thoughts correct on this or is the 08-85 material a lot more superior than the 23-23?

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A 100" 16:9 diag screen will be about 30 sq ft. If you want a screen with some "pop" for HD and any gaming you may want a bright output from the screen say 28ftL (bright) you will need 850 lumens with 1.0 unity gain screen or 425 lumens with a 2.0 gain screen.

Now this just math theory. It will also depend on distance from lens to screen, light in room etc.

Now reverse math. In 16:9 format my screen diag is 110". The ftL was measured at 16 ftL. The sq ft of the screen in that format is 36 sq ft that means the lumens calculates to 576. Pretty close to the published spec of 600.

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BTW the low brightness from the screen is balanced by the "eye trick" that the 3 LED light engine does with a dense color pallet (looks brighter than it is).

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I think you get a little more contrast with the 08-85, and its off angle performance is a little better than the 23-23. But the 23-23's viewing cone is still pretty wide, and once you are beyond that, the brightness loss is gradual, not dramatic (like you'd see with a Firehawk or Black Diamond).

I thought the 23-23 looked very good. Others can chime in, but to my eyes, it wasn't like the 08-85 flat out smoked the 23-23. Keep in mind that I compared these materials with a 2,500 lumen machine lighting up 84" diagonal screens. In a different environment (lower powered projector/ larger screen) one might prefer the 23-23 overall.
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Guys i am in a similar boat, i really am trying to find samples that i might look at of the 23 and 08 materials. if ANYONE has any they can send me, i would be MORE THAN HAPPY to send them back if necessary. Please just PM me. or if you can point me to someone that can help me in this regard please please please let me know! Thanks!
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