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post #481 of 502 Old 11-22-2015, 03:15 PM
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Question related to the distance of speaker behind Horizon Screen: What's the optimum distance a speaker should be placed behind Horizon Screen?
Also, I have around 2 feet of space behind screen. If I find that my speakers are best around 2 feet away from screen, would it be ok? I"m trying to understand if it matters how far/close the speaker should be behind Horizon and what impact I'd get if I go beyond the range?
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Two feet is more than enough. I had my Sonance in-wall speakers about 4 inches behind the Falcon Vision HD screen (original AT material) and had no problem.
Stewart recommends 18" with a microperf screen, so no more than that should be needed.
The Horizon material can be thought of almost like a speaker grill, woven cloth material, so as long as you are not right up on it, shouldn't be a problem. The primary concern is comb filtering for high frequency drivers, so it could depend on what kind of speaker you are using, horn vs. dome tweeter, but probably won't be an issue.
I'd suggest getting a large sample and trying it out.

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Two feet is more than enough. I had my Sonance in-wall speakers about 4 inches behind the Falcon Vision HD screen (original AT material) and had no problem.
Stewart recommends 18" with a microperf screen, so no more than that should be needed.
The Horizon material can be thought of almost like a speaker grill, woven cloth material, so as long as you are not right up on it, shouldn't be a problem. The primary concern is comb filtering for high frequency drivers, so it could depend on what kind of speaker you are using, horn vs. dome tweeter, but probably won't be an issue.
I'd suggest getting a large sample and trying it out.
Thx for your response. No need to order the sample. I have Horizon screen already :-). Its been placed as well. Currently my LCR is 5 1/2 inches behind screen. But at that point, I"m getting bad results for mid range after calibration and therefore thinking about moving the speakers to get a better response. Here is my center and right speakers response. as you can see that right after 220Hx, it just falls down about 10db with 80Hz (220-300). Plus all the frequencies from 300Hz and below and lower than I expected it. That may be the room correction doing it for the most part. I'll figure that part out.



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I ordered a new 130" Wide 235:1 Falcon Vision HD for my new theater. The new screen will be paired with a new JVC RS600. This should be a nice upgrade to my 100" 1:85:1 Stewart StudioTek 130 (1st generation).



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^^ Awesome! I'm sure you'll love the combo. I have my Horizon screen paired with an RS4910 in a bat cave. The image is absolutely amazing! Good luck with the build...
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^^ Awesome! I'm sure you'll love the combo. I have my Horizon screen paired with an RS4910 in a bat cave. The image is absolutely amazing! Good luck with the build...
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I ordered a new 130" Wide 235:1 Falcon Vision HD for my new theater. The new screen will be paired with a new JVC RS600. This should be a nice upgrade to my 100" 1:85:1 Stewart StudioTek 130 (1st generation).
I am also picking up an RS600 and have a 235:1 130" wide Horizon. Anyone know what screen setting should be used with the JVC Autocalibration software?
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Well got the screen built.

Screen installation is super easy from Falcon Screens. Rich told me an idiot could get it together in 20 mins so naturally I spent about 30 at it. He didn't actually say that but the rest of the sentence is true.

The screen is different from other falcon screens in that this one uses splines around the frame of the screen instead of O-Rings. I am super impressed with it. The frame is rigid and sturdy. The brackets and the attaching hardware for the corners of the screen come together tight and square. From the front of the screen you are hard pressed to find the seam running in the fabric for the corners. Installation is done with a locking cam mounted on a 90 degree angle joiner that fits in the screen itself. Ill take a few photos.

Velvet around the screen is so black that unless I have a flash light I cannot see the difference between the screen border and the 3" gap I have between the walls on either side. Its that dark.

Mounting the fabric was easy as well. After unrolling the screen onto the provided the drop sheet, equipping the provided gloves,and following the instructions a friend of mine and I began to insert the temporary splines. We put a bit of tension on the screen while we did this but didn't reef on it. There is a little pucker in between places with the temporary splines. After the temporary came the permanent. When we installed these ones we tucked them brackets into the screen towards the outside. This tensioned the screen nice and tight and at the end there was zero pucker. From a distance of about 12" I cant see the screen weave anymore. I have better then 20/20. From sitting at the viewing position it looks like a piece of paper or a solid white colour.

Mounting the screen onto the 2x4 framing is a breeze as well. Supplied are two french cleats that prop the screen up. Falcon screens provides levels for the cleats so you know they're level.

All in all a well built and well thought out screen. I am happy I went with my purchase of a Falcon Screen.

Here is a photo of me putting in the temporary splines.

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curious as to why the transition to splines? Or was this just a one-off
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curious as to why the transition to splines? Or was this just a one-off
The Horizon Fabric is not as rigid as the HD Fabric so with the splines it insures the Fabric is properly tensioned and Flat. Only the Horizon Fabric uses the new system.
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The Horizon Fabric is not as rigid as the HD Fabric so with the splines it insures the Fabric is properly tensioned and Flat. Only the Horizon Fabric uses the new system.
Must be a new thing then? The one you sent me definitely uses the o-rings
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Must be a new thing then? The one you sent me definitely uses the o-rings
Yep, o-rings & rubber bands for me too. And I have some minor puckering issues in a couple of places. Maybe this new system would have addressed that.
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Yep, o-rings for me too. And I have some minor puckering issues in a couple of places. Maybe this new system would have addressed that.

I have the same issue with one side of the screen. It's not a big deal and can only be seen when you walk up close to it. I wonder if that would fix the problem though. All my o-rings are centered to the screws on the back that they attach to.
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My screen also had some streaking on it. You can barely see it with the room lights on (the puckers too) and not at all when the image is projected on the screen, so I haven't thought it that big a deal. Rich said to throw the screen in the dryer on the "steam" cycle for 20 minutes and see if that didn't take those streaks away. They're not wrinkles though, more like slightly discolored streaks. Haven't wanted to take the screen down and put it back together in order to try it yet.

The puckers I sort of pulled out and smoothed as best I could. They're barely noticeable now.
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O-rings for my screen as well.

I had some "wrinkling" which is barely noticeable and Rich gave me the same recommendation of throwing it in the dryer. I just didn't want to go through the hassle of taking the screen apart.

Overall, I am very pleased with my screen....O-rings and all.
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The official Falcon Screens acoustically transparent screen thread

Today was the first day I was able to get everything going with 3D in the room. My Sony HW40 projecting on the Falcon Horizon screen looked great. It had a great picture and the wife and kids loved it. Still love this Falcon Horizon screen.
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Would it be possible to get some pictures of the masking panels with higher light? Do we know the material that is used under the felt?

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Thx for your response. No need to order the sample. I have Horizon screen already :-). Its been placed as well. Currently my LCR is 5 1/2 inches behind screen. But at that point, I"m getting bad results for mid range after calibration and therefore thinking about moving the speakers to get a better response. Here is my center and right speakers response. as you can see that right after 220Hx, it just falls down about 10db with 80Hz (220-300). Plus all the frequencies from 300Hz and below and lower than I expected it. That may be the room correction doing it for the most part. I'll figure that part out.



Did you get this figured out about how far back from the screen you need to be?
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Thx for your response. No need to order the sample. I have Horizon screen already :-). Its been placed as well. Currently my LCR is 5 1/2 inches behind screen. But at that point, I"m getting bad results for mid range after calibration and therefore thinking about moving the speakers to get a better response. Here is my center and right speakers response. as you can see that right after 220Hx, it just falls down about 10db with 80Hz (220-300). Plus all the frequencies from 300Hz and below and lower than I expected it. That may be the room correction doing it for the most part. I'll figure that part out.



Did you ever find out an end result? I am in the same boat with my choices - Thx
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Did you ever find out an end result? I am in the same boat with my choices - Thx
yes. I have been using the material for a while I like it very much. The issue with dip was the placement of speaker. Its still there but it has nothing to do with screen. The material has a very uniform display and doesn't any artifacts to the image. If only we can have AT screen with 1.3 gain though ;-)
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yes. I have been using the material for a while I like it very much. The issue with dip was the placement of speaker. Its still there but it has nothing to do with screen. The material has a very uniform display and doesn't any artifacts to the image. If only we can have AT screen with 1.3 gain though ;-)
Do you mean the distance from the screen is the culprit, or the overall room characteristics? If it is the distance from the screen, did you make any test measurements at other distances to see if the loss was uniform or not?


Thanks in advance, I am planning the distance from my in wall speakers now.
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I currently have a spandex screen that is nice, but it has a blur or fuzziness to it. Falcon screens just sent me a sample of the Vision HD and it looks great! Here's a comparison of the two attached. If you look closely you'll notice a distinct difference in sharpness and brightness; the Falcon Screen looks way better (top half of image), IMO. Does anyone know if the Vision HD is 4k compatible or do you have to buy the Horizon?
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