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Well you can always get a Stewart microperf Studiotek for a true ~1.2 gain for only $7k - 10k.

Who wants micro perf these days?

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Still popular and have some advantages. Still specified by many top designers. If cost were reasonable I would have gone microperf. But cost is nowhere near reasonable.
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Still popular and have some advantages. Still specified by many top designers. If cost were reasonable I would have gone microperf. But cost is nowhere near reasonable.

Micro per4f is no good if you want to sit close.

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Yes that's true. I already sit less than a screen width away and am still over 12 feet back. Perf would work great for me. It's the value, though. Anyway, I have the Falcon and am very happy.


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XD has a very noticeable weave. I personally wouldn't use it unless your closest viewing distance is 11 to 12 feet. From my 9.5' viewing distance it is completely unwatchable for me.
I do not have a sample of the Falcon material but from close up pictures it appears to be considerably better in this regard.
The biggest draw to XD seems to be from the DIY crowd because the fabric is available by itself.
Like most screens, I believe the new Falcon material only comes packaged with a frame.

I picked up my screen yesterday and finally got it installed. I can say this when comparing it to the 2'x2' sample that I have of the XD material; I personally think that the XD material has a "finer" weave in the material of the Falcon screen material, but I don't think that's a good thing. Because for some reason the pattern from the weave is MUCH easier for me to see from a distance of 6ft. I would have guessed that because looking at both materials within 6" the XD's weave is finer that it should be the one that would be harder to see when you're only a few feet away.

But its just the opposite, I can see the weave from the XD material about 9ft. I have to be within 6ft to see the weave on the Falcon screen, 3ft might not seem like that much to some but too me its a BIG deal and I'm so happy I went with the Falcon screen over the XD screen material.

Add to the fact that the Falcon screen are cheaper then the SeymourAV screens with XD material I honestly think Falcon screens should be a no brainer to people considering an AT screen. When I get a little time I'll write up a little mini review along with a bunch of pictures that I've taken.

Oh and the corner quick connect fasteners that Rich provides with the Falcon screens are AWESOME and make assembling the frame a breeze!
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Just curious.... How close are you guys sitting from your screens?

I am looking very closely at these screens and trying to decide if going AT is feasible in my system...
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I am currently viewing from about 8 feet (eyes-to-screen) from my 100" wide scope Falcon screen and do not detect any weave unless I'm looking for it in bright white scenes like snow; in general for brighter image areas I detect/interpret the holes in the weave as a slight darkening/muddying of solid color areas. At ~9 feet this effect mostly disappears for me (which is my intended viewing distance once the room is completed so not a problem). The weave pattern performance at this distance is much better than what my Seymour XD sample gives.

Overall I am very satisfied with the screen performance and build quality given my viewing distance constraint of max 9 feet. This is my first projector (JVC RS4910) and screen so I may not be experienced enough to be more picky about the right things, but I am critical of the image and again am completely satisfied.

Thanks to Rich for providing an affordable close viewing distance AT material and great and easy to assemble frame!

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Currently I am sitting about 9 feet from a 115" 2:35 screen, which I think is perfect in size.

If I go AT, then I am going to lose at least a foot, probably more.. Not sure how much farther I can push my first row back due to the surround placement either.

Might just have to stick with my current setup until I can overhaul the room since going smaller wouldn't be the best choice..
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Currently I am sitting about 9 feet from a 115" 2:35 screen, which I think is perfect in size.

If I go AT, then I am going to lose at least a foot, probably more.. Not sure how much farther I can push my first row back due to the surround placement either.

Might just have to stick with my current setup until I can overhaul the room since going smaller wouldn't be the best choice..

As far as viewing angle, for me I have found that for my 100" wide scope screen that the 9 foot viewing distance (50 degree FOV) is more comfortable than at 8 feet (55 degree FOV). Again I'm new to such a large image and the FOV difference is subtle but I feel more anchored to reality in my dark room during image pans (and thus less motion disorientation) with the narrower FOV.

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Here is what I am thinking might be what I could do..

Since I will lose a foot to a foot and half, I could go with with a smaller screen. This might still seem "big enough" to me since I will be closer.

My second concern would be the placement of my speakers behind that screen....I don't want to take a step down on the audio side of things.
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My eye are 12'4" away from a 161" wide scope screen. I love it and never feel too close.

My wife and guests love it, too. But everyone is different...
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My eye are 12'4" away from a 161" wide scope screen. I love it and never feel too close.

My wife and guests love it, too. But everyone is different...

AT screen?

Dang... That is a large screen either way.

What is the diagonal on it?
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Yep its a Falcon. I think its something around 178" if you are looking for the diagonal size of a 2:40:1 scope image.


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Yep its a Falcon. I think its something around 178" if you are looking for the diagonal size of a 2:40:1 scope image.

this was not a big screen it was huge, i remember test fiitting this screen and thinking dang i was my personal room was bigger, glad you and your family are enjoying it!!!


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Wow...so from a ratio standpoint,I might be able to go with something bigger than I have.

Do you see the material at all?
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I do not see that material at all when watching video. I have to have the room lights on, and then really the lights that are directly above the screen, to really notice it. I was bothered by the XD material from the back of my room (25 ft), so this material is MUCH less apparent than the XD. I had the En4k material on a screen this size and sold it and bought the Falcon for the added gain (and came out a bit ahead financially on that exchange as well).

I have a few posts in this thread going into a bit more detail.


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Coach you are in Knoxville? I am in Nashville. You are welcome to come check it out. I am sure Rich will send me some free masking panels when he makes them for being his TN demo room! smile.gif
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That is great to hear about the screen... I have browsed this thread and seems like all positive things about Falcon.

I am going to contact the main guy and ask his opinion on it too.
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I went from a 112" diagonal 16:9 sitting at 13ft away to a 120" diagonal 16:9 at 11ft, and my wife and myself LOVE the bigger closer image. It did take a little to get use too, and I had to move my projector back a little. But it's awesome. And I feel the same as jjcook about the screen weave. From the large 2'x2' sample that I had on the SeymourAV XD material; I had to be 10-11ft away before I couldn't really see the weave anymore. With the Falcon screen material the weave disappears around 6ft.

I'm so happy that I switched to an AT screen, it just adds to the feel of a true home theater in my basement.
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Had a chance to demo a Falcon Screen today at Hifiaudio2's house. All I can say is that is one LARGE screen....but very clear and didn't seem too big at all.

His room is amazing to begin with, but the screen was VERY impressive and I was ready to order one today when I left.

I just have some more homework to do to determine if my current projector can handle a larger size from the its current location. If it can, then I am hoping I can work the rest out.

My experiences with AT screens, prior to this demo, were very minimal.....but I was able to compare his screen to some samples of other screens and the Falcon shined over all the others! biggrin.gif
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Which projector do you have Coach?
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I have a JVC RS-56
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How big of a screen are you trying to go with?
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How big of a screen are you trying to go with?

Rich recommended the 120" wide, 125" diagonal, 2:35.

Currently I have a 115" diagonal screen. My first row is 9 feet back from the screen. When I recline in my usual spot, I gain another 18 inches in distance.

The other "X Factor" is how close I can get the speakers to the wall. They measure about 14" in depth...
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Don't forget to check out the site I mentioned about the baffle wall. Acousticfrontiers.com

Will do..

Thanks again for allowing me to come over for a demo.
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I think that might be pushing it a little but its hard for me to really say because I have a 16:9 screen. Mine is 120" diagonal and personally I wouldn't go any larger, I have a light controlled run and I think the size I went with is starting to push it a little as far as brightness goes. Of course keep in mind I do have 986hrs on the bulb of my RS45.

Right now it's plenty bright enough in normal mode for watching movies, and like this past Sunday when we had people over for Super Bowl I kicked it into high mode while we had some ambient lighting on.
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I still have to determine the exact location of the screen. I could go smaller than 120 and the combination of the screen being closer along with the slight jump in size, might be impactful enough....
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As far as viewing angle, for me I have found that for my 100" wide scope screen that the 9 foot viewing distance (50 degree FOV) is more comfortable than at 8 feet (55 degree FOV). Again I'm new to such a large image and the FOV difference is subtle but I feel more anchored to reality in my dark room during image pans (and thus less motion disorientation) with the narrower FOV.

Just watched the Dark Knight Rises tonight using the zoom method not a-lens. Although the spill over during IMAX scenes was annoying I loved the immersion; since the scene framing kept the spill as peripheral content only it worked well for me and didn't feel too big. I'll have to try out traditional 16:9 content at this size and see if it's not too big after all; the bug to upgrade the screen size and to add a four way masking system may be in my not too distant future!

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