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I am interested in buying a SONY VPL-VW500/600ES projector (4k 3D) to work with a Stewart screen, either Studiotek 130 G3 or Firehawk G4. I love 3D, although I do not have a lot of 3D movies to begin with. But I also have to deal with ambinent light, as I have a lot of windows and all walls and ceilings are matt white.

 

I have been told that for perfect 3D, you need a white high gain screen in a light controlled environment, which is not possible for me. I really love the Firehawk G4 (note that this is a 4k-ready G4 screen so I assume it is more advanced than Studiotek 130 G3). But I am not sure if the 500/600ES (marketed as 1800 lumen) is bright enough for Firehawk G4 with a gain of 1.1? (Firehawk G3 has a gain of 1.3 but is no longer offered.)

 

My screen will be 16:9, 110" diaganol and 96" width. Your suggestion would be really important! Should I choose the newer generation Firehawk G4 (1.1 gain), or 2005-launched Studiotek 130 G3 (1.3 gain) screen?

 

Thank you very much!

 

PS: I need pull-down screen and SI's Black Diamond is too large to fit, so it is out of the question.

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I replaced my 100 inch Black Diamond with a 110 inch Firehawk G4 and have no problems at all with 3D.

I use an 2500 lumen Epson 5010 for 3D.

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Thank you...But your projector is much brighter than SONY 500ES at only 1800 lumen...

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Where is your projector mounted? If shelf mounted behind your seating with the image shooting just over your seated head height the Dalite HP 2.4 gain pull down either in front or behind your current screen for 3D would be ideal. I use the older HP 2.8 (no longer made) with a Planar PD8150 sitting on a cabinet behind my seating on a 110" screen using eco and it is still very bright (20fl 100% white pattern with C6 meter from my 14' seating area) This projector is rated at 1000 lumen. Projector placement and viewer placement is paramount for the HP to work with full gain so this solutions is not viable if the projector is ceiling mounted or there are a lot of seats out side the screen width. Zoombie10K and Seegs108 use the 2.8 as well as others for 2D and 3D viewing the 2.4 is slightly different but if the above requirements can be met, provide a very bright 3D image.. Personally I don't do 3D but do know these guys rave about it with the Sharp 30K on the HP screen. (see sharp 30K in > $3000 forum ) Note these guys use other projectors for 2D.. Sharp sucks in may ways but excels in cross talk free 3D

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Where is your projector mounted? If shelf mounted behind your seating with the image shooting just over your seated head height the Dalite HP 2.4 gain pull down either in front or behind your current screen for 3D would be ideal. I use the older HP 2.8 (no longer made) with a Planar PD8150 sitting on a cabinet behind my seating on a 110" screen using eco and it is still very bright (20fl 100% white pattern with C6 meter from my 14' seating area) This projector is rated at 1000 lumen. Projector placement and viewer placement is paramount for the HP to work with full gain so this solutions is not viable if the projector is ceiling mounted or there are a lot of seats out side the screen width. Zoombie10K and Seegs108 use the 2.8 as well as others for 2D and 3D viewing the 2.4 is slightly different but if the above requirements can be met, provide a very bright 3D image.. Personally I don't do 3D but do know these guys rave about it with the Sharp 30K on the HP screen. (see sharp 30K in > $3000 forum ) Note these guys use other projectors for 2D.. Sharp sucks in may ways but excels in cross talk free 3D

Yes my projector will be rear shelf mount/low profile ceiling mount. HP 2.4 is a glass beaded surface not suitable for pull-down/electric screen...I would need a flexible surface...Thank you for your suggestions though!

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Yes my projector will be rear shelf mount/low profile ceiling mount. HP 2.4 is a glass beaded surface not suitable for pull-down/electric screen...I would need a flexible surface...Thank you for your suggestions though!
It's very suitable for pull down screens and not at all brittle or inflexible. In fact most hp screens are pull down. The retroreflective nature also makes it much less sensitive to waves. I would know, I have two hp 2.4 pulldowns at home.... Completely problem free 3.5 years and counting. wink.gif
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Yes my projector will be rear shelf mount/low profile ceiling mount. HP 2.4 is a glass beaded surface not suitable for pull-down/electric screen...I would need a flexible surface...Thank you for your suggestions though!

Look at the photos in my signature.. 110 2.8 HP pull down, over 8 years old.. do a bit or research on the product, it is not for everyone, but if you are into 3D and have the proper placement of projector and seating is will give you the best 3D possible.. Not to mention the screen is rather inexpensive compared to others.. Please do your own research into the product as there have been some quality issues in the past year.. Hopefully Dalite has fixed that..

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I replaced my 100 inch Black Diamond with a 110 inch Firehawk G4 and have no problems at all with 3D.

I use an 2500 lumen Epson 5010 for 3D.

Not to hijack the thread, but I'm curious about your thoughts after living with the BD and the FH screens... Thanks
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I would hope the 500ES can be as bright...but it only has 1800 lumen and will become max 1440 lumen (80%) soon after the lamp is in use.

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Vutec just announced a new 2.2gain gray screen material that is ISF-certified (4K and 8K ready). Sounds like a good choice for light-challenged projectors or rooms with ambient light. The fact that it's ISF-certified means it will have a good gray scale and no color shift...characteristics lacking in many other so-called "black" screens.
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Vutec just announced a new 2.2gain gray screen material that is ISF-certified (4K and 8K ready). Sounds like a good choice for light-challenged projectors or rooms with ambient light. The fact that it's ISF-certified means it will have a good gray scale and no color shift...characteristics lacking in many other so-called "black" screens.

The 2.2 gray screen won't be available until a couple of months later...Looks quite interesting... The Firehawk is also THX and ISF certified.

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I am interested in buying a SONY VPL-VW500/600ES projector (4k 3D) to work with a Stewart screen, either Studiotek 130 G3 or Firehawk G4. I love 3D, although I do not have a lot of 3D movies to begin with. But I also have to deal with ambinent light, as I have a lot of windows and all walls and ceilings are matt white.

I have been told that for perfect 3D, you need a white high gain screen in a light controlled environment, which is not possible for me. I really love the Firehawk G4 (note that this is a 4k-ready G4 screen so I assume it is more advanced than Studiotek 130 G3). But I am not sure if the 500/600ES (marketed as 1800 lumen) is bright enough for Firehawk G4 with a gain of 1.1? (Firehawk G3 has a gain of 1.3 but is no longer offered.)

My screen will be 16:9, 110" diaganol and 96" width. Your suggestion would be really important! Should I choose the newer generation Firehawk G4 (1.1 gain), or 2005-launched Studiotek 130 G3 (1.3 gain) screen?

Thank you very much!

PS: I need pull-down screen and SI's Black Diamond is too large to fit, so it is out of the question.

The VW600 is very bright compared to most projectors, and your screen size is fairly small. If the Firehawk G4 would work better in your room, I'm sure you could use high lamp for 3D and low lamp for 2D and be fine. By the way, the StudioTek 130 G3 is a fine screen too - I have one myself. Can't see you needing the gain with that projector and screen size though - a Stewart Cima Neve 1.1 might work also.

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With bulb use, the projector will be a little dim in 3D with that screen size and gain. I use a VPL-VW1000ES with your same size screen and Stewart Snomatt which has a gain of one. Its watchable but dim. G4 requires a minimum throw of 1.4 times the screen width. You will get sparklies and hot spotting with a shorter throw. Do not go shorter.

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With bulb use, the projector will be a little dim in 3D with that screen size and gain. I use a VPL-VW1000ES with your same size screen and Stewart Snomatt which has a gain of one. Its watchable but dim. G4 requires a minimum throw of 1.4 times the screen width. You will get sparklies and hot spotting with a shorter throw. Do not go shorter.

Thank you, Craig and Mark.

 

How is the dim level compared to the 3D at public movie theatre such as Cineplex and AMC?

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