Is Firehawk G4 really bad for 3D? - AVS Forum | Home Theater Discussions And Reviews
Baselworld is only a few weeks away. Getting the latest news is easy, Click Here for info on how to join the Watchuseek.com newsletter list. Follow our team for updates featuring event coverage, new product unveilings, watch industry news & more!



Forum Jump: 
 
Thread Tools
post #1 of 16 Old 01-23-2014, 04:23 PM - Thread Starter
Member
 
ggo16's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 18
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Liked: 10

Hello:

 

I am interested in buying a SONY VPL-VW500/600ES projector (4k 3D) to work with a Stewart screen, either Studiotek 130 G3 or Firehawk G4. I love 3D, although I do not have a lot of 3D movies to begin with. But I also have to deal with ambinent light, as I have a lot of windows and all walls and ceilings are matt white.

 

I have been told that for perfect 3D, you need a white high gain screen in a light controlled environment, which is not possible for me. I really love the Firehawk G4 (note that this is a 4k-ready G4 screen so I assume it is more advanced than Studiotek 130 G3). But I am not sure if the 500/600ES (marketed as 1800 lumen) is bright enough for Firehawk G4 with a gain of 1.1? (Firehawk G3 has a gain of 1.3 but is no longer offered.)

 

My screen will be 16:9, 110" diaganol and 96" width. Your suggestion would be really important! Should I choose the newer generation Firehawk G4 (1.1 gain), or 2005-launched Studiotek 130 G3 (1.3 gain) screen?

 

Thank you very much!

 

PS: I need pull-down screen and SI's Black Diamond is too large to fit, so it is out of the question.

ggo16 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 16 Old 01-23-2014, 11:04 PM
Advanced Member
 
karlsch's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Baker City, OR
Posts: 520
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 18 Post(s)
Liked: 23
I replaced my 100 inch Black Diamond with a 110 inch Firehawk G4 and have no problems at all with 3D.

I use an 2500 lumen Epson 5010 for 3D.

Karl S.
karlsch is offline  
post #3 of 16 Old 01-23-2014, 11:43 PM - Thread Starter
Member
 
ggo16's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 18
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Liked: 10

Thank you...But your projector is much brighter than SONY 500ES at only 1800 lumen...

ggo16 is offline  
post #4 of 16 Old 01-24-2014, 07:05 AM
AVS Special Member
 
airscapes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 5,463
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 302 Post(s)
Liked: 258
Where is your projector mounted? If shelf mounted behind your seating with the image shooting just over your seated head height the Dalite HP 2.4 gain pull down either in front or behind your current screen for 3D would be ideal. I use the older HP 2.8 (no longer made) with a Planar PD8150 sitting on a cabinet behind my seating on a 110" screen using eco and it is still very bright (20fl 100% white pattern with C6 meter from my 14' seating area) This projector is rated at 1000 lumen. Projector placement and viewer placement is paramount for the HP to work with full gain so this solutions is not viable if the projector is ceiling mounted or there are a lot of seats out side the screen width. Zoombie10K and Seegs108 use the 2.8 as well as others for 2D and 3D viewing the 2.4 is slightly different but if the above requirements can be met, provide a very bright 3D image.. Personally I don't do 3D but do know these guys rave about it with the Sharp 30K on the HP screen. (see sharp 30K in > $3000 forum ) Note these guys use other projectors for 2D.. Sharp sucks in may ways but excels in cross talk free 3D

Doug
Planar PD8150 with DC4 DMD paired with a Dalite HP 2.8 110"
http://www.airscapesart.com

 
airscapes is offline  
post #5 of 16 Old 01-24-2014, 11:21 AM - Thread Starter
Member
 
ggo16's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 18
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by airscapes View Post

Where is your projector mounted? If shelf mounted behind your seating with the image shooting just over your seated head height the Dalite HP 2.4 gain pull down either in front or behind your current screen for 3D would be ideal. I use the older HP 2.8 (no longer made) with a Planar PD8150 sitting on a cabinet behind my seating on a 110" screen using eco and it is still very bright (20fl 100% white pattern with C6 meter from my 14' seating area) This projector is rated at 1000 lumen. Projector placement and viewer placement is paramount for the HP to work with full gain so this solutions is not viable if the projector is ceiling mounted or there are a lot of seats out side the screen width. Zoombie10K and Seegs108 use the 2.8 as well as others for 2D and 3D viewing the 2.4 is slightly different but if the above requirements can be met, provide a very bright 3D image.. Personally I don't do 3D but do know these guys rave about it with the Sharp 30K on the HP screen. (see sharp 30K in > $3000 forum ) Note these guys use other projectors for 2D.. Sharp sucks in may ways but excels in cross talk free 3D

Yes my projector will be rear shelf mount/low profile ceiling mount. HP 2.4 is a glass beaded surface not suitable for pull-down/electric screen...I would need a flexible surface...Thank you for your suggestions though!

ggo16 is offline  
post #6 of 16 Old 01-24-2014, 12:22 PM
AVS Special Member
 
Drexler's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Copenhagen, Denmark
Posts: 1,055
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 87 Post(s)
Liked: 59
Quote:
Originally Posted by ggo16 View Post

Yes my projector will be rear shelf mount/low profile ceiling mount. HP 2.4 is a glass beaded surface not suitable for pull-down/electric screen...I would need a flexible surface...Thank you for your suggestions though!
It's very suitable for pull down screens and not at all brittle or inflexible. In fact most hp screens are pull down. The retroreflective nature also makes it much less sensitive to waves. I would know, I have two hp 2.4 pulldowns at home.... Completely problem free 3.5 years and counting. wink.gif
Drexler is offline  
post #7 of 16 Old 01-24-2014, 01:01 PM
AVS Special Member
 
airscapes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 5,463
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 302 Post(s)
Liked: 258
Quote:
Originally Posted by ggo16 View Post

Yes my projector will be rear shelf mount/low profile ceiling mount. HP 2.4 is a glass beaded surface not suitable for pull-down/electric screen...I would need a flexible surface...Thank you for your suggestions though!

Look at the photos in my signature.. 110 2.8 HP pull down, over 8 years old.. do a bit or research on the product, it is not for everyone, but if you are into 3D and have the proper placement of projector and seating is will give you the best 3D possible.. Not to mention the screen is rather inexpensive compared to others.. Please do your own research into the product as there have been some quality issues in the past year.. Hopefully Dalite has fixed that..

Doug
Planar PD8150 with DC4 DMD paired with a Dalite HP 2.8 110"
http://www.airscapesart.com

 
airscapes is offline  
post #8 of 16 Old 01-26-2014, 10:29 PM
Member
 
J.T. Guitar's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 59
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 16
Quote:
Originally Posted by karlsch View Post

I replaced my 100 inch Black Diamond with a 110 inch Firehawk G4 and have no problems at all with 3D.

I use an 2500 lumen Epson 5010 for 3D.

Not to hijack the thread, but I'm curious about your thoughts after living with the BD and the FH screens... Thanks
J.T. Guitar is offline  
post #9 of 16 Old 01-26-2014, 10:44 PM - Thread Starter
Member
 
ggo16's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 18
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Liked: 10

I would hope the 500ES can be as bright...but it only has 1800 lumen and will become max 1440 lumen (80%) soon after the lamp is in use.

ggo16 is offline  
post #10 of 16 Old 01-27-2014, 10:01 AM
AVS Special Member
 
Pete's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: New England
Posts: 2,922
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 196 Post(s)
Liked: 77
Vutec just announced a new 2.2gain gray screen material that is ISF-certified (4K and 8K ready). Sounds like a good choice for light-challenged projectors or rooms with ambient light. The fact that it's ISF-certified means it will have a good gray scale and no color shift...characteristics lacking in many other so-called "black" screens.
Pete is offline  
post #11 of 16 Old 01-29-2014, 09:49 PM - Thread Starter
Member
 
ggo16's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 18
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pete View Post

Vutec just announced a new 2.2gain gray screen material that is ISF-certified (4K and 8K ready). Sounds like a good choice for light-challenged projectors or rooms with ambient light. The fact that it's ISF-certified means it will have a good gray scale and no color shift...characteristics lacking in many other so-called "black" screens.

The 2.2 gray screen won't be available until a couple of months later...Looks quite interesting... The Firehawk is also THX and ISF certified.

ggo16 is offline  
post #12 of 16 Old 01-30-2014, 02:25 PM
Home Theater Lover!
 
Craig Peer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Sacramento, CA
Posts: 9,292
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2340 Post(s)
Liked: 2122
Quote:
I am interested in buying a SONY VPL-VW500/600ES projector (4k 3D) to work with a Stewart screen, either Studiotek 130 G3 or Firehawk G4. I love 3D, although I do not have a lot of 3D movies to begin with. But I also have to deal with ambinent light, as I have a lot of windows and all walls and ceilings are matt white.

I have been told that for perfect 3D, you need a white high gain screen in a light controlled environment, which is not possible for me. I really love the Firehawk G4 (note that this is a 4k-ready G4 screen so I assume it is more advanced than Studiotek 130 G3). But I am not sure if the 500/600ES (marketed as 1800 lumen) is bright enough for Firehawk G4 with a gain of 1.1? (Firehawk G3 has a gain of 1.3 but is no longer offered.)

My screen will be 16:9, 110" diaganol and 96" width. Your suggestion would be really important! Should I choose the newer generation Firehawk G4 (1.1 gain), or 2005-launched Studiotek 130 G3 (1.3 gain) screen?

Thank you very much!

PS: I need pull-down screen and SI's Black Diamond is too large to fit, so it is out of the question.

The VW600 is very bright compared to most projectors, and your screen size is fairly small. If the Firehawk G4 would work better in your room, I'm sure you could use high lamp for 3D and low lamp for 2D and be fine. By the way, the StudioTek 130 G3 is a fine screen too - I have one myself. Can't see you needing the gain with that projector and screen size though - a Stewart Cima Neve 1.1 might work also.

AV Science, Inc. Direct (585) 671-2972 craig@avscience.com www.avscience.com Like us on Facebook

Home theater equipment sales and advice. Call to see the JVC RS600 in Northern California

My theater pics - http://www.avsforum.com/photopost/sh...hp?cat=2386514
Craig Peer is offline  
post #13 of 16 Old 01-30-2014, 05:02 PM
AVS Addicted Member
 
mark haflich's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Venice, Florida, USA
Posts: 22,167
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1416 Post(s)
Liked: 1004
With bulb use, the projector will be a little dim in 3D with that screen size and gain. I use a VPL-VW1000ES with your same size screen and Stewart Snomatt which has a gain of one. Its watchable but dim. G4 requires a minimum throw of 1.4 times the screen width. You will get sparklies and hot spotting with a shorter throw. Do not go shorter.
mark haflich is offline  
post #14 of 16 Old 01-31-2014, 12:23 AM - Thread Starter
Member
 
ggo16's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 18
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

With bulb use, the projector will be a little dim in 3D with that screen size and gain. I use a VPL-VW1000ES with your same size screen and Stewart Snomatt which has a gain of one. Its watchable but dim. G4 requires a minimum throw of 1.4 times the screen width. You will get sparklies and hot spotting with a shorter throw. Do not go shorter.

Thank you, Craig and Mark.

 

How is the dim level compared to the 3D at public movie theatre such as Cineplex and AMC?

ggo16 is offline  
post #15 of 16 Old 02-05-2014, 10:44 PM - Thread Starter
Member
 
ggo16's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 18
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Liked: 10

up

ggo16 is offline  
post #16 of 16 Old 02-10-2014, 07:25 AM
AVS Special Member
 
roxiedog13's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: North 48 °
Posts: 1,291
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 691 Post(s)
Liked: 236
Quote:
Originally Posted by ggo16 View Post

up

I saw that movie too wink.gifbiggrin.gif

Dedicated Theater: JVC X950R/RS600 , Panamorph DC1 Anamorphic Lens, Draper TecVision XT1800X Screen, 2.40:1 132" diagonal curved 36FT radius, Denon X7200WA , 7.2.4 Atmos, Paradigm Monitor 11 fronts, Monitor 3 Center, Monitor V7 Rear, SA-ADP In-wall Surround, Niles DS-7 In-Ceiling, Subwoofers: (4000 watts peak) Klipsch RW-12 + SVS PC13-Ultra
roxiedog13 is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply Screens

Tags
Sony Vpl Vw500es , Sony Vpl Vw600es

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page


Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off